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Post by inger on Jan 31, 2024 15:15:51 GMT -5
But how does that happen when third is more physically demanding than second and torres never played at third before . One more time...how is 3B "more physically demanding" than 2B? I’m interested in this point as well. The only part that is more physically demanding that I can think of is needing a stronger arm to lay third. Torres has that… |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 31, 2024 15:16:15 GMT -5
I don’t recall anyone saying the Yankees were thinking about playing him there. It was a suggestion that I made based on his poor play at 2B. Could we keep the bat while reducing the effect of his inconsistent glove work? … Yeah maybe. I would just be skeptical seeing how he imploded when they moved him to SS from 2b. I would actually be up for trying it, but it doesn't seem like the Yankees want to do it. Seems weird to me that they'd put Peraza there before Torres. I would be worried if they signed him to a pricey/long extension with the idea of him playing 3b unless he'd already shown he could handle it. I think Bob is saying old scouting reports and his AAA manager suggested he could one day move to 3b. That's from back in 2015/16 though. The current Yankee front office has never said they've considered moving him to 3b that I know of. When he struggled defensively at SS his bat also tanked, and maybe his troubles defensively spilled over mentally. It seems to me maybe the Yanks are afraid that might happen again and are just leaving him where his comfort zone is. OK really shutting up about this now... And that is why you dont move a guy to a position he never played before . Especially a guy with a questionable glove like torres |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 31, 2024 15:17:05 GMT -5
I have no idea what you're referring to. When have "those experts...shown no interest in doing that?" Well look at last year , they kept torres at second and moved perazs to third and also tried cabrera at third at one point too . That shows me that they had no interest in moving torres to third I'll try one more time...one last time... Never said Yanks had any interest in moving Gleyber to 3B in '23. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 31, 2024 15:18:29 GMT -5
Couldn't care less what you think. And yet here you are getting personal True...I personally think you're a clueless jerk. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 31, 2024 15:19:51 GMT -5
Yeah maybe. I would just be skeptical seeing how he imploded when they moved him to SS from 2b. I would actually be up for trying it, but it doesn't seem like the Yankees want to do it. Seems weird to me that they'd put Peraza there before Torres. I would be worried if they signed him to a pricey/long extension with the idea of him playing 3b unless he'd already shown he could handle it. I think Bob is saying old scouting reports and his AAA manager suggested he could one day move to 3b. That's from back in 2015/16 though. The current Yankee front office has never said they've considered moving him to 3b that I know of. When he struggled defensively at SS his bat also tanked, and maybe his troubles defensively spilled over mentally. It seems to me maybe the Yanks are afraid that might happen again and are just leaving him where his comfort zone is. OK really shutting up about this now... And that is why you dont move a guy to a position he never played before . Especially a guy with a questionable glove like torres |
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Post by inger on Jan 31, 2024 15:20:57 GMT -5
Molitor was a bit Gleyber-like in that he struggled to play 2B well. He went in to play a half decent 3B before injuries diminished his skill set to the point that he had to DH to stay healthy. I’m glad to see that you recognize the problem though. Torres doesn’t have a good glove, and that harms the team at his current position. It’s strange to me because he sometimes makes tremendous plays and then he’ll make a boneheaded gaff on what appears to be an easy play. I don’t think it’s his glove as much as his focus… Correct me if i am wrong but wasnt one of torres’s problems at ss his ability to throw? Moving him to third would make him have to cover more of the field with his throwing ability It was his boneheadedness that led him to rush throws that didn’t need to be rushed. The third baseman (except on bunts or the occasional slow rollers) tends to get the ball quicker and to have more time to position himself to throw. Gleyber tries to do too much or make himself look better than he is by putting a bit of window dressing on his plays… |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 31, 2024 15:23:16 GMT -5
Correct me if i am wrong but wasnt one of torres’s problems at ss his ability to throw? Moving him to third would make him have to cover more of the field with his throwing ability It was his boneheadedness that led him to rush throws that didn’t need to be rushed. The third baseman (except on bunts or the occasional slow rollers) tends to get the ball quicker and to have more time to position himself to throw. Gleyber tries to do too much or make himself look better than he is by putting a bit of window dressing on his plays… Third basemen had to be quicker on their feet and have to make snap plays and torres wasnt good at that at ss . I just dont feel its a good idea to move torres to third . I dont think the has the baseball iq to move there without any problems |
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Post by inger on Jan 31, 2024 15:25:47 GMT -5
It was his boneheadedness that led him to rush throws that didn’t need to be rushed. The third baseman (except on bunts or the occasional slow rollers) tends to get the ball quicker and to have more time to position himself to throw. Gleyber tries to do too much or make himself look better than he is by putting a bit of window dressing on his plays… Third basemen had to be quicker on their feet and have to make snap plays and torres wasnt good at that at ss . I just dont feel its a good idea to move torres to third . I dont think the has the baseball iq to move there without any problems And so you disagree with the idea. ‘Nuff said and fully understood. That leaves two options. Put up with his poor play afield to keep his bat or get him out of town… |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 31, 2024 15:27:28 GMT -5
Third basemen had to be quicker on their feet and have to make snap plays and torres wasnt good at that at ss . I just dont feel its a good idea to move torres to third . I dont think the has the baseball iq to move there without any problems And so you disagree with the idea. ‘Nuff said and fully understood. That leaves two options. Put up with his poor play afield to keep his bat or get him out of town… Well i have been saying for years that he should be traded . And i still would . But now i highly doubt it happens . |
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Post by Max on Jan 31, 2024 15:33:26 GMT -5
I like that this has spurred discussion but I hate to see it disintegrate into borderline name calling (again). All I really want is Torres off of 2B. I’d be fine if he’s traded off the team because he’s not a good 2B. In lieu of trading I suggested we might be able to keep him if he went to 3rd where his defense would be less of an issue, and his quick hands and strong arm might allow him to prosper. It’s not like I proposed to play him on the moon. Players can and do change positions as their skill set erodes. Jackie Robinson went from 1B-2B-OF-3B. Paul Molitor did the 2B to 3B route. So did Pete Ross. Ripken from SS-3B… The needs of the team should be placed first before those of the player. The end… Alex Bergman also moved from SS to 3B. |
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Post by inger on Jan 31, 2024 15:44:48 GMT -5
Simple...Gleyber is the better bat and Peraza is the better glove, which you want up the middle. It would be easy to answer that, but with Peraza hitting a powerless .190 with an excellent glove and Torres having a better than average bat and bad defense, we’re dealing with extremes… |
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Post by Max on Jan 31, 2024 16:02:24 GMT -5
I have no idea what you're referring to. When have "those experts...shown no interest in doing that?" Well look at last year , they kept torres at second and moved perazs to third and also tried cabrera at third at one point too . That shows me that they had no interest in moving torres to third
I think Gleyber should stay at 2B, but no one said that the Yankees have interest in moving Gleyber to 3B. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 31, 2024 16:07:30 GMT -5
It would be easy to answer that, but with Peraza hitting a powerless .190 with an excellent glove and Torres having a better than average bat and bad defense, we’re dealing with extremes… The objective is to keep Gleyber's bat in the lineup. As you and others have noted (sometimes exaggerated IMO) he's struggled at 2B at times. Yanks will have 3B open in '25...makes perfect sense IMO to move him there. I, along with professional talent evaluators, believe he'd have no problem handling the position...didn't say he'd be a GG. The only options given as to who plays 2B/3B were Gleyber & Peraza. The answer to me is simply obvious. Doesn't mean I'm not open to someone other than Peraza at 2B. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, Peraza doesn't need to be in the equation at all. |
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Post by Max on Jan 31, 2024 16:09:02 GMT -5
But how does that happen when third is more physically demanding than second and torres never played at third before . One more time...how is 3B "more physically demanding" than 2B?
It's not. 3B requires quick reflexes that many players have, Torres being one of them. A 3Bman doesn't have to have the range of a 2Bman, a 3Bman is also less likely to be knocked over as a 2B would be when a runner is trying to break up a double-play. But, I'm not saying anything that you don't already know. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 31, 2024 16:25:26 GMT -5
One more time...how is 3B "more physically demanding" than 2B?
It's not. 3B requires quick reflexes that many players have, Torres being one of them. A 3Bman doesn't have to have the range of a 2Bman, a 3Bman is also less likely to be knocked over as a 2B would be when a runner is trying to break up a double-play. But, I'm not saying anything that you don't already know. Of course it’s not. There’s nothing “more physically demanding” playing 3B as opposed to 2B. In fact, 2B requires much more athleticism and the ability to handle a much wider variety of plays than 3B. That’s not even debatable. Most 3Bs are there for a reason…limited range. That’s why SS are required to cover the ground to 3Bs left…that’s why it’s called a hole. |
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