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Post by qimqam on Apr 6, 2024 9:39:25 GMT -5
That's quite an unusual take ... personally I'll take 3 saves and 0.00 ERA over 0 Saves a loss and a 3.00 ERA 100% of the time. Since when is anything more important then runs scored or allowed and wins or losses ??? It's not an unusual take at all, it actually shows why ERA is probably the worst stat that a Closer can be judged by. Another example would be...If a Closer came into a 1 run game with runners on 1st and 2nd base and gave up a 2 run double. That Closer blew a save but still has an ERA of 0.00. Yes but Holmes has 0 IRS in 4.1 inn 4 games so far this season to go with a 0.00 ERA against 2 of the best offensive teams in the MLB So that has nothing to do with it. He should also be a perfect 4-4 in saves agains 2 of the best offesnive teams in the MLB to start the season I'm not a huge Holmes fan ... but to say he is not doing his job so far this season is just asinine |
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Post by qimqam on Apr 6, 2024 9:45:44 GMT -5
Agree but when you are talking about closers (and in this case) it's usually to start the 9th and bases empty The only thing I'm saying is that Holmes pitched in 4 games 4.1 inn against 2 very good offesnive teams and came away with 3 saves and a 0.00 ERA and really should have been 4 for 4 in saves but the defense let him down People are complaining because he didnt blow everyone away and they want to replace him !?!?!? That's crazy ! I'm not saying he's better than Hader I'm not even a big fan of Holmes but he did a great job in the first 4 games and we should be thrilled with that. To say Hader pitched better is just warped thinking Hader in 4 games has a 1.500 WHIP, 6.75 ERA, 2 loses and 0 Saves Who are these people that are saying that Holmes had to dominate a game? You said the the Yankees defense let him down and Holmes should really be 4-4 in saves. How do you count his defense letting him down, but not count that his wild pitch the following inning helped the Astros tie the game? Even more so, how do you not count the Yankees defense bailing Holmes out the 2 previous games by making great plays after some of Holmes' pitches were getting tattooed. Also who spoke about Hader vs Holmes so far this season? I know the comment I made said that Hader out pitched Holmes in that series. To deny that would be delusional. Look, I know you looking for a new sparring partner since your previous one was forced into retirement but it's not going to be me. Stop wasting my time with nonsensical comments ... I'm done with you |
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Post by chiyankee on Apr 6, 2024 9:46:05 GMT -5
The Yankees are 4-0 in games Holmes appears in and 2-2 in games he doesn't.
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Apr 6, 2024 10:43:33 GMT -5
It's not an unusual take at all, it actually shows why ERA is probably the worst stat that a Closer can be judged by. Another example would be...If a Closer came into a 1 run game with runners on 1st and 2nd base and gave up a 2 run double. That Closer blew a save but still has an ERA of 0.00. Yes but Holmes has 0 IRS in 4.1 inn 4 games so far this season to go with a 0.00 ERA against 2 of the best offensive teams in the MLB So that has nothing to do with it. He should also be a perfect 4-4 in saves agains 2 of the best offesnive teams in the MLB to start the season I'm not a huge Holmes fan ... but to say he is not doing his job so far this season is just asinine I'm not looking for an argument here because I've been a defender of Holmes and have said he should be kept in the closer role but so far this season his WHIP is 1.38 and BA allowed is .316. Those are not sustainable numbers for a closer. So far he's been more lucky than good. Looking at our current BP, Boone has no choice but to keep using him in save situations and hope he figures it out. There was some criticism of how Boone used the pen yesterday but Ferguson's HR was the big blow. He's a guy we need to step up in a 7th or 8th inning role. Holmes and Hamilton can't pitch every day and there was some conjecture that the BP wore down last season. We need to have at least one more arm emerge who can pitch important innings late and that includes Ferguson as part of the mix and Holmes righting the ship. I'm not encouraged by the candidates: Cousins, Santana, Burdi, Gonzalez or Weaver. Maybe at some point Beeter gets a shot or one of the veterans makes it back from the IL. I really think losing Peralta is a big loss. He seemed to have a rubber arm and could pitch in pressure situations. Prior to the season I said pitching, including the BP could be the Achilles Heel of this team. The great start in Houston was encouraging but it has not alliviated my concerns. I have a feeling the BP will continue to evolve and look quite a bit different by mid-year. |
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Post by qimqam on Apr 6, 2024 11:09:36 GMT -5
Yes but Holmes has 0 IRS in 4.1 inn 4 games so far this season to go with a 0.00 ERA against 2 of the best offensive teams in the MLB So that has nothing to do with it. He should also be a perfect 4-4 in saves agains 2 of the best offesnive teams in the MLB to start the season I'm not a huge Holmes fan ... but to say he is not doing his job so far this season is just asinine I'm not looking for an argument here because I've been a defender of Holmes and have said he should be kept in the closer role but so far this season his WHIP is 1.38 and BA allowed is .316. Those are not sustainable numbers for a closer. So far he's been more lucky than good. Looking at our current BP, Boone has no choice but to keep using him in save situations and hope he figures it out. There was some criticism of how Boone used the pen yesterday but Ferguson's HR was the big blow. He's a guy we need to step up in a 7th or 8th inning role. Holmes and Hamilton can't pitch every day and there was some conjecture that the BP wore down last season. We need to have at least one more arm emerge who can pitch important innings late and that includes Ferguson as part of the mix and Holmes righting the ship. I'm not encouraged by the candidates: Cousins, Santana, Burdi, Gonzalez or Weaver. Maybe at some point Beeter gets a shot or one of the veterans makes it back from the IL. I really think losing Peralta is a big loss. He seemed to have a rubber arm and could pitch in pressure situations. Prior to the season I said pitching, including the BP could be the Achilles Heel of this team. The great start in Houston was encouraging but it has not alliviated my concerns. I have a feeling the BP will continue to evolve and look quite a bit different by mid-year. Of course that's not sustainable but game 1 BAA was .600 since that game closer to .200 which is right around his Yankee career BAA ... I have no reason to believe his BAA will jump +.100 points this season |
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Post by inger on Apr 6, 2024 11:34:31 GMT -5
I'm not looking for an argument here because I've been a defender of Holmes and have said he should be kept in the closer role but so far this season his WHIP is 1.38 and BA allowed is .316. Those are not sustainable numbers for a closer. So far he's been more lucky than good. Looking at our current BP, Boone has no choice but to keep using him in save situations and hope he figures it out. There was some criticism of how Boone used the pen yesterday but Ferguson's HR was the big blow. He's a guy we need to step up in a 7th or 8th inning role. Holmes and Hamilton can't pitch every day and there was some conjecture that the BP wore down last season. We need to have at least one more arm emerge who can pitch important innings late and that includes Ferguson as part of the mix and Holmes righting the ship. I'm not encouraged by the candidates: Cousins, Santana, Burdi, Gonzalez or Weaver. Maybe at some point Beeter gets a shot or one of the veterans makes it back from the IL. I really think losing Peralta is a big loss. He seemed to have a rubber arm and could pitch in pressure situations. Prior to the season I said pitching, including the BP could be the Achilles Heel of this team. The great start in Houston was encouraging but it has not alliviated my concerns. I have a feeling the BP will continue to evolve and look quite a bit different by mid-year. Of course that's not sustainable but game 1 BAA was .600 since that game closer to .200 which is right around his Yankee career BAA ... I have no reason to believe his BAA will jump +.100 points this season You can’t even look at anyone’s numbers yet to make any kind of intelligent assessment. No one had passed the small samples mark… 5% played, 95% to go… |
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Post by Max on Apr 6, 2024 11:59:31 GMT -5
It's not an unusual take at all, it actually shows why ERA is probably the worst stat that a Closer can be judged by. Another example would be...If a Closer came into a 1 run game with runners on 1st and 2nd base and gave up a 2 run double. That Closer blew a save but still has an ERA of 0.00. Yes but Holmes has 0 IRS in 4.1 inn 4 games so far this season to go with a 0.00 ERA against 2 of the best offensive teams in the MLB So that has nothing to do with it. He should also be a perfect 4-4 in saves agains 2 of the best offesnive teams in the MLB to start the season I'm not a huge Holmes fan ... but to say he is not doing his job so far this season is just asinine
Well, here's where we disagree. I want Holmes to do well, but in my opinion, a Closer coming into a game and hitting batters while some of his other pitches are getting tattooed is not doing his job. The Yankees won and he got his some of saves vs Houston for the most part despite his performance. I don't fault him for Volpe's throw. But I would say it's asinine to say that Holmes is doing his job while once again ignoring the games where his defense bailed him out big time.
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Post by Max on Apr 6, 2024 12:29:13 GMT -5
Look, I know you looking for a new sparring partner since your previous one was forced into retirement but it's not going to be me. Stop wasting my time with nonsensical comments ... I'm done with you Tell me.. What were the nonsensical comments? Please explain. I doubt if you could, it's probably why you're projecting your nonsense and reputation towards me in order to try to deflect. I guess it's easier to deflect rather than address the flaws that were pointed out in your post.
You look! Let me tell you something Qimqam, you don't know spit about me. Just because I defended myself that doesn't mean I have a sparring partner. If I was looking for a sparring partner, don't worry, it wouldn't be you because you're too much of a lightweight to be my sparring partner.
Don't play innocent, and don't project your nonsense and reputation towards me. You must mean your YES sparring partner that you called "dummy" many a time over and over and over again, sometimes unprovoked. And, lets not also forget when you got reprimanded for your nonsense which included starting an instigating thread on YES that was deleted. Tell me... Were you well liked on YES? You know, when your message board name was manbot.
In my opinion, I was one of the few posters that was nice to you. I even reached out to you on this message board to avoid any misunderstanding. What I got as a reply was in my opinion a less than classy reply from you. But, enough with your bullspit. If you don't want to or most likely can't discuss your point of view on this topic or any other topic, then don't. But don't play innocent, and don't project your nonsense and reputation towards me.
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Post by Max on Apr 6, 2024 12:38:52 GMT -5
I'm not looking for an argument here because I've been a defender of Holmes and have said he should be kept in the closer role but so far this season his WHIP is 1.38 and BA allowed is .316. Those are not sustainable numbers for a closer. So far he's been more lucky than good. Looking at our current BP, Boone has no choice but to keep using him in save situations and hope he figures it out. There was some criticism of how Boone used the pen yesterday but Ferguson's HR was the big blow. He's a guy we need to step up in a 7th or 8th inning role. Holmes and Hamilton can't pitch every day and there was some conjecture that the BP wore down last season. We need to have at least one more arm emerge who can pitch important innings late and that includes Ferguson as part of the mix and Holmes righting the ship. I'm not encouraged by the candidates: Cousins, Santana, Burdi, Gonzalez or Weaver. Maybe at some point Beeter gets a shot or one of the veterans makes it back from the IL. I really think losing Peralta is a big loss. He seemed to have a rubber arm and could pitch in pressure situations. Prior to the season I said pitching, including the BP could be the Achilles Heel of this team. The great start in Houston was encouraging but it has not alliviated my concerns. I have a feeling the BP will continue to evolve and look quite a bit different by mid-year. 55, I think the Yankees need another power arm in their Pen. In my opinion, the Yankees should give either Fergy or Hamilton a chance to Close or perhaps make a trade for a Closer or someone with Closer potential. I want Holmes to do well, but I don't have any confidence in him to be a top Closer. I hope that I'm wrong. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Apr 6, 2024 13:08:02 GMT -5
I'm not looking for an argument here because I've been a defender of Holmes and have said he should be kept in the closer role but so far this season his WHIP is 1.38 and BA allowed is .316. Those are not sustainable numbers for a closer. So far he's been more lucky than good. Looking at our current BP, Boone has no choice but to keep using him in save situations and hope he figures it out. There was some criticism of how Boone used the pen yesterday but Ferguson's HR was the big blow. He's a guy we need to step up in a 7th or 8th inning role. Holmes and Hamilton can't pitch every day and there was some conjecture that the BP wore down last season. We need to have at least one more arm emerge who can pitch important innings late and that includes Ferguson as part of the mix and Holmes righting the ship. I'm not encouraged by the candidates: Cousins, Santana, Burdi, Gonzalez or Weaver. Maybe at some point Beeter gets a shot or one of the veterans makes it back from the IL. I really think losing Peralta is a big loss. He seemed to have a rubber arm and could pitch in pressure situations. Prior to the season I said pitching, including the BP could be the Achilles Heel of this team. The great start in Houston was encouraging but it has not alliviated my concerns. I have a feeling the BP will continue to evolve and look quite a bit different by mid-year. 55, I think the Yankees need another power arm in their Pen. In my opinion, the Yankees should give either Fergy or Hamilton a chance to Close or perhaps make a trade for a Closer or someone with Closer potential. I want Holmes to do well, but I don't have any confidence in him to be a top Closer. I hope that I'm wrong. Max, I get your point but I'm not there yet. As I said earlier, the Yanks were comfortable with Holmes as their closer to start the season and I'm not for making a change this soon. My post was just to agree with those who were saying that so far Holmes save numbers are not representative of the way he's pitched. As concerning as the high BA is all the hard contact. I can't recall which game it was that he was awarded a save but there were three rockets hit off him. One was right at someone and the other two were outs because of good defensive plays. One thing that is surprising to me is that he just isn't getting swings and misses. Last year he averaged over 10 ks per 9 innings pitched. This year he has 1 k in 4.1 innings. He was getting swings and misses in ST so I'm not sure what has changed. The good news is, as Inger correctly points out, it's way too early to put too much stock into stats. I'm still of the opinion Holmes will figure it out and return to the pitcher he's been for the Yankees the past two seasons. |
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Post by rizzuto on Apr 6, 2024 21:56:31 GMT -5
55, I think the Yankees need another power arm in their Pen. In my opinion, the Yankees should give either Fergy or Hamilton a chance to Close or perhaps make a trade for a Closer or someone with Closer potential. I want Holmes to do well, but I don't have any confidence in him to be a top Closer. I hope that I'm wrong. Max, I get your point but I'm not there yet. As I said earlier, the Yanks were comfortable with Holmes as their closer to start the season and I'm not for making a change this soon. My post was just to agree with those who were saying that so far Holmes save numbers are not representative of the way he's pitched. As concerning as the high BA is all the hard contact. I can't recall which game it was that he was awarded a save but there were three rockets hit off him. One was right at someone and the other two were outs because of good defensive plays. One thing that is surprising to me is that he just isn't getting swings and misses. Last year he averaged over 10 ks per 9 innings pitched. This year he has 1 k in 4.1 innings. He was getting swings and misses in ST so I'm not sure what has changed. The good news is, as Inger correctly points out, it's way too early to put too much stock into stats. I'm still of the opinion Holmes will figure it out and return to the pitcher he's been for the Yankees the past two seasons. One of the advantages with Holmes is that he is difficult to take over the fence. When he struggles, it is normally with getting behind in counts from not being able to throw either the two-seamer or slider for strikes. He can survive with one of those, but it he cannot command either one, then he needs the defense behind him to bail him out. I do not see another closer on the roster right now. Pitching the ninth is different, as most any relief pitcher will attest. Holmes is the most comfortable being in that spot as the pen is currently constructed. I think Hamilton has the stuff to close some games, but I am not sure about doing so over time. And, he is valuable as a multiple inning guy right now. |
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Post by inger on Apr 6, 2024 22:14:25 GMT -5
Max, I get your point but I'm not there yet. As I said earlier, the Yanks were comfortable with Holmes as their closer to start the season and I'm not for making a change this soon. My post was just to agree with those who were saying that so far Holmes save numbers are not representative of the way he's pitched. As concerning as the high BA is all the hard contact. I can't recall which game it was that he was awarded a save but there were three rockets hit off him. One was right at someone and the other two were outs because of good defensive plays. One thing that is surprising to me is that he just isn't getting swings and misses. Last year he averaged over 10 ks per 9 innings pitched. This year he has 1 k in 4.1 innings. He was getting swings and misses in ST so I'm not sure what has changed. The good news is, as Inger correctly points out, it's way too early to put too much stock into stats. I'm still of the opinion Holmes will figure it out and return to the pitcher he's been for the Yankees the past two seasons. One of the advantages with Holmes is that he is difficult to take over the fence. When he struggles, it is normally with getting behind in counts from not being able to throw either the two-seamer or slider for strikes. He can survive with one of those, but it he cannot command either one, then he needs the defense behind him to bail him out. I do not see another closer on the roster right now. Pitching the ninth is different, as most any relief pitcher will attest. Holmes is the most comfortable being in that spot as the pen is currently constructed. I think Hamilton has the stuff to close some games, but I am not sure about doing so over time. And, he is valuable as a multiple inning guy right now. Tonight was an example. The water got awful hot… |
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Post by qimqam on Apr 7, 2024 6:39:52 GMT -5
One of the advantages with Holmes is that he is difficult to take over the fence. When he struggles, it is normally with getting behind in counts from not being able to throw either the two-seamer or slider for strikes. He can survive with one of those, but it he cannot command either one, then he needs the defense behind him to bail him out. I do not see another closer on the roster right now. Pitching the ninth is different, as most any relief pitcher will attest. Holmes is the most comfortable being in that spot as the pen is currently constructed. I think Hamilton has the stuff to close some games, but I am not sure about doing so over time. And, he is valuable as a multiple inning guy right now. Tonight was an example. The water got awful hot… You can't alway be perfect ... Hamilton (who people were calling on to be the closer) was terrible. The situation that Holmes came into was really bad 77% likelyhood of at least 1 run scoring 47% of the running on 2nd scoring. Lead was saved ... Game Won job done. We have a good closer ...not a great one |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Apr 7, 2024 9:54:39 GMT -5
One of the advantages with Holmes is that he is difficult to take over the fence. When he struggles, it is normally with getting behind in counts from not being able to throw either the two-seamer or slider for strikes. He can survive with one of those, but it he cannot command either one, then he needs the defense behind him to bail him out. I do not see another closer on the roster right now. Pitching the ninth is different, as most any relief pitcher will attest. Holmes is the most comfortable being in that spot as the pen is currently constructed. I think Hamilton has the stuff to close some games, but I am not sure about doing so over time. And, he is valuable as a multiple inning guy right now. Tonight was an example. The water got awful hot… I'm not going to fault Holmes for this one, the game was getting away quickly and he did his job good enough. The pen is a mess right now after a really good start. Not alot of guys who can be trusted in big situations. Expect to see a callup before todays game to give us someone who could pitch multiple innings if needed. The big fail yesterday was Schmidt not going deeper with a big lead. An opportunity for a much needed rest day for the pen was squandered. Back to Holmes, it was nice to see him get some swing and misses. On the negative side sounds like he gave up a couple hard hit balls. If the trend continues I wonder how Cash tries to fortify the pen. Looks like they are trying to make Beeter a starter (I think he's more valuable as a relief pitcher). Do we make a trade or wait for Kahnle, Effross or Trivino to come back? |
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Post by inger on Apr 7, 2024 9:59:47 GMT -5
Tonight was an example. The water got awful hot… I'm not going to fault Holmes for this one, the game was getting away quickly and he did his job good enough. The pen is a mess right now after a really good start. Not alot of guys who can be trusted in big situations. Expect to see a callup before todays game to give us someone who could pitch multiple innings if needed. The big fail yesterday was Schmidt not going deeper with a big lead. An opportunity for a much needed rest day for the pen was squandered. Back to Holmes, it was nice to see him get some swing and misses. On the negative side sounds like he gave up a couple hard hit balls. If the trend continues I wonder how Cash tries to fortify the pen. Looks like they are trying to make Beeter a starter (I think he's more valuable as a relief pitcher). Do we make a trade or wait for Kahnle, Effross or Trivino to come back? Kahnle and Trivino are aging by the minute and Effross, while having interesting movement on his pitches has only had one good season, arriving late to MLB. I hope one of them can move the needle, but I have my doubts… |
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