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Post by 1955nyyfan on Apr 7, 2024 10:18:12 GMT -5
I'm not going to fault Holmes for this one, the game was getting away quickly and he did his job good enough. The pen is a mess right now after a really good start. Not alot of guys who can be trusted in big situations. Expect to see a callup before todays game to give us someone who could pitch multiple innings if needed. The big fail yesterday was Schmidt not going deeper with a big lead. An opportunity for a much needed rest day for the pen was squandered. Back to Holmes, it was nice to see him get some swing and misses. On the negative side sounds like he gave up a couple hard hit balls. If the trend continues I wonder how Cash tries to fortify the pen. Looks like they are trying to make Beeter a starter (I think he's more valuable as a relief pitcher). Do we make a trade or wait for Kahnle, Effross or Trivino to come back? Kahnle and Trivino are aging by the minute and Effross, while having interesting movement on his pitches has only had one good season, arriving late to MLB. I hope one of them can move the needle, but I have my doubts… I'm not a huge Kahnle fan, not sure why hitters don't just sit on his change up. I saw Trivino pitch a lot in Oakland and didn't think much of him but I thought he pitched well for us before getting hurt. Maybe Blake fixed somthing. Don't know enough about Effross but he seems like a good 6th or 7th inning option. |
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Post by Max on Apr 7, 2024 10:44:18 GMT -5
Well in that case I'm sure relief pitchers that have great control but give up hits are going to drive you crazy as well. Actually, I rather see a relief pitcher get shelled than walk himself, and the team, into a loss. Agreed. Growing up I played at lot of baseball, judging by your posts so did you. I don't care if it was baseball, softball, or stickball which you appropriately called wallball. Did you ever play behind a pitcher that couldn't get the ball in the strike zone? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz  to say the least. |
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Post by Max on Apr 7, 2024 10:55:47 GMT -5
One of the advantages with Holmes is that he is difficult to take over the fence. When he struggles, it is normally with getting behind in counts from not being able to throw either the two-seamer or slider for strikes. He can survive with one of those, but it he cannot command either one, then he needs the defense behind him to bail him out. I do not see another closer on the roster right now. Pitching the ninth is different, as most any relief pitcher will attest. Holmes is the most comfortable being in that spot as the pen is currently constructed. I think Hamilton has the stuff to close some games, but I am not sure about doing so over time. And, he is valuable as a multiple inning guy right now. Tonight was an example. The water got awful hot… Yep, he allowed two inherited runners to score and put the tying run on base when he gave up the hard hit ball up the middle.
Note: To whom it may concern, if there's a disagreement about this post and don't want what they consider to be "sparring" to happen, stick to the topic this time and don't get personal. |
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Post by Max on Apr 7, 2024 11:00:34 GMT -5
Tonight was an example. The water got awful hot… I'm not going to fault Holmes for this one, the game was getting away quickly and he did his job good enough. The pen is a mess right now after a really good start. Not alot of guys who can be trusted in big situations. Expect to see a callup before todays game to give us someone who could pitch multiple innings if needed. The big fail yesterday was Schmidt not going deeper with a big lead. An opportunity for a much needed rest day for the pen was squandered. Back to Holmes, it was nice to see him get some swing and misses. On the negative side sounds like he gave up a couple hard hit balls. If the trend continues I wonder how Cash tries to fortify the pen. Looks like they are trying to make Beeter a starter (I think he's more valuable as a relief pitcher). Do we make a trade or wait for Kahnle, Effross or Trivino to come back?
Effoss in my opinion has the stuff to be a Closer, but I'm not sure when he comes of the IL. I will give Holmes credit. The last 2 breaking pitches he threw to Springer were the best breaking pitches I have seen a Yankee pitcher throw so far this season.
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Post by rizzuto on Apr 7, 2024 11:01:42 GMT -5
Tonight was an example. The water got awful hot… Yep, he allowed two inherited runners to score and put the tying run on base when he gave up the hard hit ball up the middle.
Note: To whom it may concern, if there's a disagreement about this post and don't want what they consider to be "sparring" to happen, stick to the topic this time and don't get personal. Fat pitch to Biggio for sure, but I also give some credit to Cavan Biggio staying inside the pitch and taking the ball to left field side of second. Had he tried to pull that pitch, it would likely have been rolled over right to Gleyber for an out. |
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Post by rizzuto on Apr 7, 2024 11:03:20 GMT -5
I'm not going to fault Holmes for this one, the game was getting away quickly and he did his job good enough. The pen is a mess right now after a really good start. Not alot of guys who can be trusted in big situations. Expect to see a callup before todays game to give us someone who could pitch multiple innings if needed. The big fail yesterday was Schmidt not going deeper with a big lead. An opportunity for a much needed rest day for the pen was squandered. Back to Holmes, it was nice to see him get some swing and misses. On the negative side sounds like he gave up a couple hard hit balls. If the trend continues I wonder how Cash tries to fortify the pen. Looks like they are trying to make Beeter a starter (I think he's more valuable as a relief pitcher). Do we make a trade or wait for Kahnle, Effross or Trivino to come back?
Effoss in my opinion has the stuff to be a Closer, but I'm not sure when he comes of the IL. I will give Holmes credit. The laast 2 breaking pitches he threw to Springer were the best breaking pitches I have seen a Yankee pitcher throw so far this season.
Three straight breaking pitches to Springer (the first a slider to get ahead) who loves to hit against the Yankees. |
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Post by Max on Apr 7, 2024 11:06:07 GMT -5
Yep, he allowed two inherited runners to score and put the tying run on base when he gave up the hard hit ball up the middle.
Note: To whom it may concern, if there's a disagreement about this post and don't want what they consider to be "sparring" to happen, stick to the topic this time and don't get personal. Fat pitch to Biggio for sure, but I also give some credit to Cavan Biggio staying inside the pitch and taking the ball to left field side of second. Had he tried to pull that pitch, it would likely have been rolled over right to Gleyber for an out. In my opinion, it shouldn't have even come down to that. Weaver had the opportunity to finish the game for Schmidt. Weaver was way up in the strike zone. Just my 2 cents, he's the 12th or 13th pitcher on a 13th man pitching staff. Last night's game should be a wake up call for the Yankees if they expect Weaver to fill King's role out of the bullpen. |
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Post by azbob643 on Apr 7, 2024 11:09:33 GMT -5
Actually, I rather see a relief pitcher get shelled than walk himself, and the team, into a loss. Agreed. Growing up I played at lot of baseball, judging by your posts so did you. I don't care if it was baseball, softball, or stickball which you appropriately called wallball. Did you ever play behind a pitcher that couldn't get the ball in the strike zone? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz to say the least. Couldn't stand playing behind pitchers who couldn't throw strikes. I used to say just throw any rag arm out there and let the defense do it's job. Different, of course, with MLB pitchers/hitters, but still drives me crazy watching relievers walk hitters. |
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Post by inger on Apr 7, 2024 11:12:35 GMT -5
Fat pitch to Biggio for sure, but I also give some credit to Cavan Biggio staying inside the pitch and taking the ball to left field side of second. Had he tried to pull that pitch, it would likely have been rolled over right to Gleyber for an out. In my opinion, it shouldn't have even come down to that. Weaver had the opportunity to finish the game for Schmidt. Weaver was way up in the strike zone. Just my 2 cents, he's the 12th or 13th pitcher on a 13th man pitching staff. Last night's game should be a wake up call for the Yankees if they expect Weaver to fill King's role out of the bullpen. Some of that was on Boone though. Once he hit about 30 pitches he was gassed and no one was up in the pen. I know he was stretched out in ST, but on this particular night he had hit a wall… The pen got off to a good start in Houston, but I’m not feeling real comfy with it. Houston, by the way is now 2-7… Maybe their time is over… |
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to say the least. 
