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Post by inger on Apr 5, 2024 8:12:51 GMT -5
Soto is going to get a 15 year contract with multiple opt outs. If we live long enough we will curse the last years of the deal. And if he runs into a wall, hits a ball off his leg or suffers some other freak accident we will regret that deal sooner rather than later. That is just the way it is. Cole looks human this year and Judge scared us all last year. That is the gamble of mega deals. I think fans have to adjust their thinking to recognize that payment schedules do not coincide with the useful life of a ballplayer and giant contracts are big risks. As a retiree I can't worry what happens to our Yankees in 15 years. I want to enjoy each year as it comes. I'm not a fan of long contracts. You are actually not getting them at their best. After 7-10 years playing ball toward FA, you are paying uber dollars toward their eventual down slope. Their best days are behind them. Teams-are lucky to get 5-6 good years of a 10 year contract. And now we're talking about a 15 year contract? The equivalency would be one of us signing a 15 year contract at about 55… |
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Post by chiyankee on Apr 5, 2024 8:32:39 GMT -5
Soto is going to get a 15 year contract with multiple opt outs. If we live long enough we will curse the last years of the deal. And if he runs into a wall, hits a ball off his leg or suffers some other freak accident we will regret that deal sooner rather than later. That is just the way it is. Cole looks human this year and Judge scared us all last year. That is the gamble of mega deals. I think fans have to adjust their thinking to recognize that payment schedules do not coincide with the useful life of a ballplayer and giant contracts are big risks. As a retiree I can't worry what happens to our Yankees in 15 years. I want to enjoy each year as it comes. I'm not a fan of long contracts. You are actually not getting them at their best. After 7-10 years playing ball toward FA, you are paying uber dollars toward their eventual down slope. Their best days are behind them. Teams-are lucky to get 5-6 good years of a 10 year contract. And now we're talking about a 15 year contract? This is what makes Soto so special. He will only be 26 when he hits free agency. |
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Post by inger on Apr 5, 2024 8:36:00 GMT -5
As a retiree I can't worry what happens to our Yankees in 15 years. I want to enjoy each year as it comes. I'm not a fan of long contracts. You are actually not getting them at their best. After 7-10 years playing ball toward FA, you are paying uber dollars toward their eventual down slope. Their best days are behind them. Teams-are lucky to get 5-6 good years of a 10 year contract. And now we're talking about a 15 year contract? This is what makes Soto so special. He will only be 26 when he hits free agency. I harken back to when George Brett signed a lifetime contract with the Royals. Why not just call it that and keep Soto around until we grind the dust out of him?…🤓 |
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Post by Max on Apr 5, 2024 11:21:45 GMT -5
Yankees has to look toward 2025 where Soto might be cost prohibitive to retain as Soto and Verdugo will be going elsewhere. That's when Yankees will be looking at Dominquez/Grisham in OF. With FA Soto, Torres, and Rizzo, Yankees will not be able to retain both Soto and Torres as they look to replace Rizzo. Rizzo can be replaced with an in-house player (Rice?). With him, Dominguez, Jones, Volpe, Wells, Cabrera & Peraza (?) that's a very inexpensive group of players.
I've heard some talk that if the Yankees re-sign Soto, that eventually the Yankees might use Judge at 1B. Judge is an excellent OFer, but I can understand if they eventually play him at 1B. Unless and trades are made the Yankees future OF might be The Martian, Jones, and Soto. |
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Post by Max on Apr 5, 2024 11:26:05 GMT -5
Yankees has to look toward 2025 where Soto might be cost prohibitive to retain as Soto and Verdugo will be going elsewhere. That's when Yankees will be looking at Dominquez/Grisham in OF. With FA Soto, Torres, and Rizzo, Yankees will not be able to retain both Soto and Torres as they look to replace Rizzo. What's happening with Oswald Peraza? Any chance we'll be seeing him this season? The Yankees are on the hook for about $ 160 M for salaries to Judge, Cole, Rodon, Stanton, Stroman and DJ. A decision to retain Soto and Torres is a decision by Hal to pay the LT "forever". Keeping both and adding in the cost of benefits gets you to the LT for 2025 ($241 M) What we don't know is whether that makes $$$ sense for the Yankees. For all I know the Yankees are profitable with a $300 M payroll or even at $400 M. I have posted before, I doubt that the Yankees re-sign both Soto and Torres unless one or both of them agrees to sign a deferred contract similar to Ohtani's. |
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Post by azbob643 on Apr 5, 2024 11:29:09 GMT -5
Rizzo can be replaced with an in-house player (Rice?). With him, Dominguez, Jones, Volpe, Wells, Cabrera & Peraza (?) that's a very inexpensive group of players.
I've heard some talk that if the Yankees re-sign Soto, that eventually the Yankees might use Judge at 1B. Judge is an excellent OFer, but I can understand if they eventually play him at 1B. Unless and trades are made the Yankees future OF might be The Martian, Jones, and Soto. That would make sense...or even convert Jones to 1B. He looks to me to have more of a 1B build. |
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Post by JEGnj on Apr 5, 2024 11:29:50 GMT -5
The Yankees print money. The Stadium is always packed. Concessions are crazy expensive. They sell more merchandise than anyone. No excuses for not resigning guys.
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Post by ypaterson on Apr 5, 2024 11:33:15 GMT -5
Soto is going to get a 15 year contract with multiple opt outs. If we live long enough we will curse the last years of the deal. And if he runs into a wall, hits a ball off his leg or suffers some other freak accident we will regret that deal sooner rather than later. That is just the way it is. Cole looks human this year and Judge scared us all last year. That is the gamble of mega deals. I think fans have to adjust their thinking to recognize that payment schedules do not coincide with the useful life of a ballplayer and giant contracts are big risks. As a retiree I can't worry what happens to our Yankees in 15 years. I want to enjoy each year as it comes. I'm not a fan of long contracts. You are actually not getting them at their best. After 7-10 years playing ball toward FA, you are paying uber dollars toward their eventual down slope. Their best days are behind them. Teams-are lucky to get 5-6 good years of a 10 year contract. And now we're talking about a 15 year contract? Very true. Without the PEDs few players are productive into their mid and late 30s as guys were a generation ago. I hope Judge and Cole are exceptions but they might not be. Stanton is not producing but it is not for lack of effort. Long term deals carry a lot of risk. |
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Post by ypaterson on Apr 5, 2024 11:35:34 GMT -5
The Yankees print money. The Stadium is always packed. Concessions are crazy expensive. They sell more merchandise than anyone. No excuses for not resigning guys. Can you guarantee me that the other owners might not want to share more of the money printed in the Bronx ? What happens if the next bargaining agreement does not double the LT tax in return for a salary floor ? |
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Post by chiyankee on Apr 5, 2024 11:39:21 GMT -5
I've heard some talk that if the Yankees re-sign Soto, that eventually the Yankees might use Judge at 1B. Judge is an excellent OFer, but I can understand if they eventually play him at 1B. Unless and trades are made the Yankees future OF might be The Martian, Jones, and Soto. That would make sense...or even convert Jones to 1B. He looks to me to have more of a 1B build. Jones is a better defensive OF than Judge or Soto, so I'd keep him out there and try other options at first base. |
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Post by azbob643 on Apr 5, 2024 11:42:42 GMT -5
That would make sense...or even convert Jones to 1B. He looks to me to have more of a 1B build. Jones is a better defensive OF than Judge or Soto, so I'd keep him out there and try other options at first base. I'm thinking Judge will eventually move into more of a DH role...sooner than later. |
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Post by JEGnj on Apr 5, 2024 11:45:34 GMT -5
Stanton's contract is the gift that keeps giving.
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Post by Max on Apr 5, 2024 12:04:25 GMT -5
I've heard some talk that if the Yankees re-sign Soto, that eventually the Yankees might use Judge at 1B. Judge is an excellent OFer, but I can understand if they eventually play him at 1B. Unless and trades are made the Yankees future OF might be The Martian, Jones, and Soto. That would make sense...or even convert Jones to 1B. He looks to me to have more of a 1B build.
As with the talk that I heard about Judge eventually being a 1Bman, I also heard the same about Jones. I can't verify either scenario, so it might just be speculation. But if the Yankees have plans on moving either player to 1B, my guess that it might be Judge because of his contract and the time he's spent on the IR.
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Post by ypaterson on Apr 5, 2024 12:05:32 GMT -5
Jones is a better defensive OF than Judge or Soto, so I'd keep him out there and try other options at first base. I'm thinking Judge will eventually move into more of a DH role...sooner than later. Given his size the idea of him playing 150 games a year in the field does not sound ideal to me. |
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Post by Max on Apr 5, 2024 12:08:20 GMT -5
The Yankees print money. The Stadium is always packed. Concessions are crazy expensive. They sell more merchandise than anyone. No excuses for not resigning guys. The top tier of the Luxury Tax is their excuse. It's an legitimate excuse too, when a team has to pay 110% tax on every dollar over the L-Tax threshold, plus lose draft picks and International signing bonus money. |
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