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Post by Max on Oct 19, 2024 14:33:57 GMT -5
Yep, that's why I said if possible. Weird play, tough play, and he was under pressure too. On the YES board, we both shared how much baseball we played growing up, so I'm sure we both saw how weird things can happen during a game, especially a playoff game. I can only imagine how much more pressure there is in a MLB game/playoff game. I'm not suggesting the pressure go to him, it's more of how weird things can happen on a baseball field. Just look at the Guardians shortstop. He's an excellent fielder, yet he made 2 key errors on routine plays. If that isn't weird I don't know what is.
Yep...errors are part of the game. Berti is also an excellent fielder...but almost made a critical error on the ball that was hit to him to end the game. Had that been Gleyber imagine the thread posts. Ironically, Gleyber was pinch run for after his huge RBI single in the 9th. Boone has done that several times during the season, IMO, for defensive purposes. I agree with your opinion. Yeah they Berti play was weird too. In for defense, but doesn't field the ball cleanly in a close and intense game.
The most weirdest and funniest play I've seen on a baseball field is still the play when the ball got stuck in El Duque's glove.
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Post by JEGnj on Oct 19, 2024 15:06:28 GMT -5
I'm hoping to see OC over Jazz. I'm not. Jazz might be due to have a good game. Jazz is due but also OC has been there since day 1 and been a trooper.
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Post by qwik3457bb on Oct 19, 2024 15:09:16 GMT -5
I've felt this way since game 5 of the first round of the 1984 Stanley Cup Playoffs, Rangers vs. Islanders at the Nassau Coliseum. The Islanders were the better team, looking to try to win their 5th Stanley Cup in a row, The Rangers were 4th in the Patrick Division; the Islanders first, but they were 11 points better, or about 5 games in the standings. The series was tied 2-2, and the Rangers scored with 39 seconds left in regulation to force it into overtime. At some point in the overtime, I remember Rangers' defenseman Reijo Ruotsalainen ripped a slap shot from near the blue line. It shouldn't have had a chance of going in, but the Islanders' great goalie Billy Smith was partially screened, and the shot beat Smith clean...only to miss wide a bit more than a puck width. A couple of minutes later, the Islanders came down the ice and Ken Morrow scored the series-winner. The Rangers missed dethroning the 4-time champs by about 6 inches, and the series was lost a few minutes after that. Nothing in all of sports like sudden-death overtime in the Stanley Cup playoffs, especially in a winner-take-all game 5 or game 7. The chances back and forth, the great plays, the great stops with the season on the line. The penalties called or not called. Nothing like it in all of sports As an NYI fan I always said that if it wasn't for all those great NYI teams, the NYR would have won at least 1 Stanley Cup in the 80's.
Just my opinion, and I know that many will disagree. But when both the NYI and NYR are Stanley Cup contenders there's no better rivalry in sports.
It is a great rivalry, and those Islander teams were truly great teams, now all but forgotten except by Islander fans. And by Rangers fans, who continue the juvenile whistling thing every home game to this day, more than 40 years later. Edit: My friend Mike is also a big-time Islander fans and he has said the same to me about the early 80's Rangers winning a cup if not for the Isianders. He says that in some of those years, the Rangers were the 2nd best team in the NHL.
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Post by Max on Oct 19, 2024 15:18:48 GMT -5
As an NYI fan I always said that if it wasn't for all those great NYI teams, the NYR would have won at least 1 Stanley Cup in the 80's.
Just my opinion, and I know that many will disagree. But when both the NYI and NYR are Stanley Cup contenders there's no better rivalry in sports.
It is a great rivalry, and those Islander teams were truly great teams, now all but forgotten except by Islander fans. And by Rangers fans, who continue the juvenile whistling thing every home game to this day, more than 40 years later. Edit: My friend Mike is also a big-time Islander fans and he has said the same to me about the early 80's Rangers winning a cup if not for the Isianders. He says that in some of those years, the Rangers were the 2nd best team in the NHL.I agree.
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 19, 2024 18:20:21 GMT -5
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Oct 20, 2024 10:34:29 GMT -5
I still am having a hardtime understanding wht Fry was given a hit. Whether you are of the opinion that Leiter should have tagged him, made a better throw or Rizzo should have caught the ball it's a play that should have been made. The ball beat him by two or three steps. Sometimes I think it simply boils down to official scorers would rather give the hometown player a hit, even if it's not earned. I find myself disagreeing with them quite often. Just an observation, I don't lose sleep over it. The most likely explanation is "degree of difficulty". When it was hit back to Leiter, it became a hard play when he "kicked" it toward the 1st base line after lunging to knock it down. Once that happened, he was running full out to track it down, and if you look at the replay 1) he almost certainly doesn't know where Fry is coming down the line because all of his attention is on the ball, and 2) he's running so hard that when he gets it and flings it at Rizzo in desperation he can't set to make an easy throw to catch and he winds up throwing it too hard out of desperation for the distance between them, handcuffing Rizzo. So it either has to be scored an error on the initial failure to play the ball or scored a hit. The score can't give an error for failing to realize how much time he had, because that's not an error, and he can't really give him a throwing error because the throw was right at Rizzo's lower abdomen of just below that and he can't really give Rizzo an error because the throw was too hard to handle for the distance between them. Throwing a ball accurately and too hard isn't a error, really. Looking at the replay again, he has to move quickly to get a piece of the ball and knock it down, or it gets to Torres too slowly to get the out. After knocking it down, it becomes a more difficult play when he kicks it toward the line in his haste to recover. In my opinion, "hit" is the correct call. I appreciate your detailed reply but I'll agree to disagree. Rizzo did get an error on the play allowing Fry to get to 2nd. I guess the OS agreed with you but felt Rizzo should have kept the ball in front of him and not allowed the base runner to advance. I would be a more critical OS than most. It's all moot now in and the big scheme of things doesnt amount to a hill of beans.
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Post by qwik3457bb on Oct 20, 2024 15:24:47 GMT -5
The most likely explanation is "degree of difficulty". When it was hit back to Leiter, it became a hard play when he "kicked" it toward the 1st base line after lunging to knock it down. Once that happened, he was running full out to track it down, and if you look at the replay 1) he almost certainly doesn't know where Fry is coming down the line because all of his attention is on the ball, and 2) he's running so hard that when he gets it and flings it at Rizzo in desperation he can't set to make an easy throw to catch and he winds up throwing it too hard out of desperation for the distance between them, handcuffing Rizzo. So it either has to be scored an error on the initial failure to play the ball or scored a hit. The score can't give an error for failing to realize how much time he had, because that's not an error, and he can't really give him a throwing error because the throw was right at Rizzo's lower abdomen of just below that and he can't really give Rizzo an error because the throw was too hard to handle for the distance between them. Throwing a ball accurately and too hard isn't a error, really. Looking at the replay again, he has to move quickly to get a piece of the ball and knock it down, or it gets to Torres too slowly to get the out. After knocking it down, it becomes a more difficult play when he kicks it toward the line in his haste to recover. In my opinion, "hit" is the correct call. I appreciate your detailed reply but I'll agree to disagree. Rizzo did get an error on the play allowing Fry to get to 2nd. I guess the OS agreed with you but felt Rizzo should have kept the ball in front of him and not allowed the base runner to advance. I would be a more critical OS than most. It's all moot now in and the big scheme of things doesnt amount to a hill of beans. I personally agree with you; that's probably an error on somebody. I would have to look at the replay more times to try to figure out who, but the modern trend is strongly against giving errors and in favor of hits, which is why the percentage of runs scored as unearned runs have dropped by about 20-25% in the last 40-50 years. Was more trying to explain why the scorer ruled it that way in the modern "fewer errors" scoring viewpoint.
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Oct 20, 2024 15:33:07 GMT -5
I appreciate your detailed reply but I'll agree to disagree. Rizzo did get an error on the play allowing Fry to get to 2nd. I guess the OS agreed with you but felt Rizzo should have kept the ball in front of him and not allowed the base runner to advance. I would be a more critical OS than most. It's all moot now in and the big scheme of things doesnt amount to a hill of beans. I personally agree with you; that's probably an error on somebody. I would have to look at the replay more times to try to figure out who, but the modern trend is strongly against giving errors and in favor of hits, which is why the percentage of runs scored as unearned runs have dropped by about 20-25% in the last 40-50 years. Was more trying to explain why the scorer ruled it that way in the modern "fewer errors" scoring viewpoint. I've always been in favor of the team error concept which has been discussed from time to time. Particularly on those I've got it you take it fly balls.
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