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Post by ypaterson on Oct 31, 2024 10:30:20 GMT -5
There are going to be plenty of expensive contracts up for adoption this offseason. About 1/3 of MLB teams are looking at big cuts in their calbe television money. The second level of free agents are going to feel it but it should open up plenty of opportunities for wealthy teams to improve. As always, the problem for he Yankees will be identifying talent, not paying for it.
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 31, 2024 10:33:33 GMT -5
Cashman paid Stroman 18 million and Grisham 5 million and despite being healthy, neither played one inning in the post season. That's some great GM work. The Yankees really need an upgrade at first base. With the exception of the short surge from Ben Rice, they had subpar production at the position all season. Yeah, 1B was largely a black hole all season. Not a great crop of FA's this year, either: This is why I'd approach Gleyber and see if he's willing to move to first base if the Yanks bring him back. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Oct 31, 2024 10:35:09 GMT -5
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 31, 2024 10:35:43 GMT -5
Cashman paid Stroman 18 million and Grisham 5 million and despite being healthy, neither played one inning in the post season. That's some great GM work. The Yankees really need an upgrade at first base. With the exception of the short surge from Ben Rice, they had subpar production at the position all season. You have to view the Stroman signing as part of the deal to obtain Soto. I'm not so sure and there were other options. Kansas City signed two free agent pitchers, Wacha and Lugo and either one would have been a better option than Stroman. |
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Post by donniebaseball23 on Oct 31, 2024 10:37:02 GMT -5
The number of bad contracts Cashman has saddled this franchise with is staggering. Any other franchise would tell a guy with his track record to pound sand, but because he was a part of a dynasty 2 decades ago, his rope seems unlimited... |
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Post by donniebaseball23 on Oct 31, 2024 10:40:52 GMT -5
Yeah, 1B was largely a black hole all season. Not a great crop of FA's this year, either: This is why I'd approach Gleyber and see if he's willing to move to first base if the Yanks bring him back. Given the adventure he's made routine plays at 2B, the thought of him playing 1B and picking throws terrifies me. |
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Post by yankeesfaninboston on Oct 31, 2024 10:42:48 GMT -5
I think they're kind of backed into a corner here where the only way out is to spend more. They can't rebuild and they don't seem likely to get over the hump unless they just throw money at the problem to address issues. They don't have this crazy pipeline of young talent and their roster is top heavy. Between no trade clauses and guys who just aren't that desirable to other teams they don't have much to do in terms of clearing space either. I think we're already right at the luxury tax next year without factoring in any re-signings or replacements for Soto, Torres, Rizzo, Verdugo, Holmes.
They have $10M of dead money on Hicks this year. DJ counts $15M against the tax each of the next two years. Stroman will count $18.5M over the same next tow years. Stanton will count $22M each of the next three. Rodon will count $27M over the next 4 years. Cole will count $36M over the next 4 years (5 if he opts out and they keep him with the extra year).
I really think the only path forward to a championship for them is if Hal gives the ok to spend like his father would for the next 4 years. Load up all over with the best guys money can buy, but limit the contract terms to those years. The exception obviously being Soto, who along with Judge (signed through 2031) will be the only big money deals left on the books after that 4 year stretch (and Cole for one extra year if he's kept which I assume he will be). At that point you can try to keep payroll more manageable levels while still being competitive. But I don't see how they do both with what they have right now over the next 4 or so years. Too much money tied up in unreliable performers and not enough pre-free agency contract talent overall.
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Post by donniebaseball23 on Oct 31, 2024 10:49:54 GMT -5
I think they're kind of backed into a corner here where the only way out is to spend more. They can't rebuild and they don't seem likely to get over the hump unless they just throw money at the problem to address issues. They don't have this crazy pipeline of young talent and their roster is top heavy. Between no trade clauses and guys who just aren't that desirable to other teams they don't have much to do in terms of clearing space either. I think we're already right at the luxury tax next year without factoring in any re-signings or replacements for Soto, Torres, Rizzo, Verdugo, Holmes. They have $10M of dead money on Hicks this year. DJ counts $15M against the tax each of the next two years. Stroman will count $18.5M over the same next tow years. Stanton will count $22M each of the next three. Rodon will count $27M over the next 4 years. Cole will count $36M over the next 4 years (5 if he opts out and they keep him with the extra year). I really think the only path forward to a championship for them is if Hal gives the ok to spend like his father would for the next 4 years. Load up all over with the best guys money can buy, but limit the contract terms to those years. The exception obviously being Soto, who along with Judge (signed through 2031) will be the only big money deals left on the books after that 4 year stretch (and Cole for one extra year if he's kept which I assume he will be). Pretty much. Cashman has put this team is an absurdly precarious financial situation by passing out bad contracts like Butterfingers on Halloween. His track record the last 10-15 years is absolutely horrific, and I cannot understand how Hal justifies keeping him around. And it's a double edged sword because even if Hal opens up his wallet, good chance Cashman just adds more bad, bloated contracts. Clearly this team isn't far from a championship if they can retain Soto. They probably should be up 3-2 heading back to LA if not for two absolutely awful meltdowns. But Cashman's track record of supplementing his roster is dreadful. I have little faith in him bringing in the right guys to get them over that hump. The manager is a problem, too. |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 31, 2024 11:10:06 GMT -5
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Post by noetsi on Oct 31, 2024 12:30:44 GMT -5
The stanton contract was crazy, but what Cashman saw in Hicks is beyond me. I think he stresses pitching too much and hitting too little, but he is following orthodoxy there.
The real problem with the Yankees is a useless farm system.
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Post by inger on Oct 31, 2024 12:44:20 GMT -5
The stanton contract was crazy, but what Cashman saw in Hicks is beyond me. I think he stresses pitching too much and hitting too little, but he is following orthodoxy there. The real problem with the Yankees is a useless farm system. It’s useless at this point, but we have a good base from which to develop at the lower levels, fingers crossed…. |
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Post by yankeesfaninboston on Oct 31, 2024 13:32:17 GMT -5
I want Soto back as much as anyone. My fear though is that if we re-sign him, Hal goes cheap on the rest of the roster. What about something like this (no Soto, Bellinger/Walker/Kim added through free agency) 2B/3B Jazz Chisholm (L) RF Aaron Judge (R) CF Cody Bellinger (L) 1B Christian Walker (R) DH Giancarlo Stanton (R) C Austin Wells (L) SS Anthony Volpe (R) LF Jasson Dominguez (S) 2B/3B Ha-Seong Kim (R) This is just one prediction of free agent contracts: www.nbcsports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/top-111-free-agents-for-2025-juan-soto-to-kyle-farmerThey project Soto to get $50M/year. Bellinger/Walker to get $25M/year each and $20M for Kim. So instead of Soto for $50M, we get 3 guys for $70M on those numbers. My fear though is that the Mets push that $50M/year higher for Soto, but overall market softness with the TV deals push the price on Bellinger/Walker/Kim down some. IDK. I want Soto back. Just trying to be realistic about how much Hal is willing to spend overall and how that could impact the rest of the roster if they sign Soto. I don't think they have great lineup depth and their defense is bad overall. I think it'd be tough to address that if Hal isn't willing to spend tons of money even after keeping Soto. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Oct 31, 2024 13:43:21 GMT -5
The stanton contract was crazy, but what Cashman saw in Hicks is beyond me. I think he stresses pitching too much and hitting too little, but he is following orthodoxy there. The real problem with the Yankees is a useless farm system.For grins I took a look at the list of Yankees top 30 prospects who have an ETA of '24 or'25. Spencer Jones OFer - really regressed this year, everyone is aware of high K rate. Jorbit Vivas - also had a poor year at AAA hitting .225 with a .713 OPS Chase Hampton - considered the best SP prospect but was injured most of the year Zach Messinger - pitched 150 innings at AA, good ERA and Whip 3.06 and 1.107, projects as a backend guy Rafael Flores 1b/C - seems to have a decent bat but has position/defensive limitations Jasson Dominguez - probably a 2025 starter in the OF Will Warren - was considered a good SP prospect but struggled in the MLs and at AAA Everson Pereira - forgot he was still in the organization Clayton Beeter - Yanks like his arm, has command issues, still being groomed as a SP but I think he's be a better RP prospect Yoendrys Gomez - got a cup of coffee this year, might be a reasonable multi-inning RP/swing man. Ben Rice isn't a top 30 prospect but may compete for a roster spot. Caleb Durbin isn't a top 30 prospect but could compete for a roster spot |
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Post by ypaterson on Oct 31, 2024 13:45:41 GMT -5
You have to view the Stroman signing as part of the deal to obtain Soto. I'm not so sure and there were other options. Kansas City signed two free agent pitchers, Wacha and Lugo and either one would have been a better option than Stroman. There were other options in free agency. The Soto deal got announced December 6 or so. Wacha, Lugo and Flaherty deals were announced about a weak later. I don't know when the deals were really made. They might have been done by the time Cashman was ready to act. The Stroman deal got done half way thorugh January. |
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Post by JEGnj on Oct 31, 2024 13:51:31 GMT -5
Stroman was a cheap crappy backup plan.
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