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Post by JEGnj on Oct 31, 2024 13:53:09 GMT -5
Many things need to change. We need a few days to get over this brutal loss and refresh.
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Post by donniebaseball23 on Oct 31, 2024 13:57:00 GMT -5
I want Soto back as much as anyone. My fear though is that if we re-sign him, Hal goes cheap on the rest of the roster. What about something like this (no Soto, Bellinger/Walker/Kim added through free agency) 2B/3B Jazz Chisholm (L) RF Aaron Judge (R) CF Cody Bellinger (L) 1B Christian Walker (R) DH Giancarlo Stanton (R) C Austin Wells (L) SS Anthony Volpe (R) LF Jasson Dominguez (S) 2B/3B Ha-Seong Kim (R) This is just one prediction of free agent contracts: www.nbcsports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/top-111-free-agents-for-2025-juan-soto-to-kyle-farmerThey project Soto to get $50M/year. Bellinger/Walker to get $25M/year each and $20M for Kim. So instead of Soto for $50M, we get 3 guys for $70M on those numbers. My fear though is that the Mets push that $50M/year higher for Soto, but overall market softness with the TV deals push the price on Bellinger/Walker/Kim down some. IDK. I want Soto back. Just trying to be realistic about how much Hal is willing to spend overall and how that could impact the rest of the roster if they sign Soto. I don't think they have great lineup depth and their defense is bad overall. I think it'd be tough to address that if Hal isn't willing to spend tons of money even after keeping Soto. Soto's value far exceeds those three guys combined, IMO (I think we're in agreement here); but if he goes, they need to be somewhat aggressive in upgrading some other positions. I think Walker would be a solid add - good power, excellent defense. My concern is he's 34 and if he suffers a sudden decline (as players that age often do), that's just another awful contract. If you can get him on a shorter-term deal, great. I'd pass on Bellinger unless he can be got on a serious bargain deal. His injury history is extensive, and aside from a nice bounce back in 2023, he's been awful (2020-22) and mediocre (2024). Kim's versatility and good defense are intriguing, and while he's not a huge upgrade to the lineup, he probably isn't a black hole, either. |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 31, 2024 13:57:08 GMT -5
The stanton contract was crazy, For the 2024 season, he was worth every penny. |
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Post by donniebaseball23 on Oct 31, 2024 13:59:22 GMT -5
The stanton contract was crazy, For the 2024 season, he was worth every penny. Yeah. I was all over him going into the season and parts of this year, too; but his postseason performance alone makes him worth it to me. Without him, we don't win a pennant. Just have to hope he doesn't suffer a huge decline as he continues getting older. He is what he is. Not gonna bother with a glove, going to disappear for stretches, but he'll also provide enough offense to make him valuable overall and if you get to October, he's a monster. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Oct 31, 2024 14:00:06 GMT -5
I'm not so sure and there were other options. Kansas City signed two free agent pitchers, Wacha and Lugo and either one would have been a better option than Stroman. There were other options in free agency. The Soto deal got announced December 6 or so. Wacha, Lugo and Flaherty deals were announced about a weak later. I don't know when the deals were really made. They might have been done by the time Cashman was ready to act. The Stroman deal got done half way thorugh January. Stroman 2 years 36.5mm not counting vesting, 154 IP, 10-9, 4.31 ERA 1.468 Whip Wacha 2 years 34.5mm, 166.2 IP, 13-8, 3.35 ERA, 1.194 Whip Lugo 2 years 30mm, 206.2 IP, 16-9, 3.00 ERA, 1.089 Whip |
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Post by ypaterson on Oct 31, 2024 14:14:40 GMT -5
There were other options in free agency. The Soto deal got announced December 6 or so. Wacha, Lugo and Flaherty deals were announced about a weak later. I don't know when the deals were really made. They might have been done by the time Cashman was ready to act. The Stroman deal got done half way thorugh January. Stroman 2 years 36.5mm not counting vesting, 154 IP, 10-9, 4.31 ERA 1.468 Whip Wacha 2 years 34.5mm, 166.2 IP, 13-8, 3.35 ERA, 1.194 Whip Lugo 2 years 30mm, 206.2 IP, 16-9, 3.00 ERA, 1.089 Whip The Yankees still believed they were in on Yamamoto until that deal got cut right before Christmas. Cashman was holding out for the top of the market...and ending up settling for an expensive back of the rotaion starter. www.northjersey.com/story/sports/mlb/yankees/2023/12/22/yankees-do-not-sign-yoshinobu-yamamoto-contract-los-angeles-dodgers/71678256007/ |
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Post by cocopugg on Oct 31, 2024 14:31:46 GMT -5
There are going to be plenty of expensive contracts up for adoption this offseason. About 1/3 of MLB teams are looking at big cuts in their calbe television money. The second level of free agents are going to feel it but it should open up plenty of opportunities for wealthy teams to improve. As always, the problem for he Yankees will be identifying talent, not paying for it. This is where I think the bulk of the Yankee acquisitions to improve the team will be taking place this off-season, IMHO. |
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Post by noetsi on Oct 31, 2024 14:35:02 GMT -5
The stanton contract was crazy, but what Cashman saw in Hicks is beyond me. I think he stresses pitching too much and hitting too little, but he is following orthodoxy there. The real problem with the Yankees is a useless farm system. It’s useless at this point, but we have a good base from which to develop at the lower levels, fingers crossed…. I hope so. We really need people to step up particularly offensively from the system. |
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Post by noetsi on Oct 31, 2024 14:36:40 GMT -5
The stanton contract was crazy, but what Cashman saw in Hicks is beyond me. I think he stresses pitching too much and hitting too little, but he is following orthodoxy there. The real problem with the Yankees is a useless farm system.For grins I took a list of Yankees top 30 prospects who have an ETA of '24 or'25. Spencer Jones OFer - really regressed this year, everyone is aware of high K rate. Jorbit Vivas - also had a poor year at AAA hitting .225 with a .713 OPS Chase Hampton - considered the best SP prospect but was injured most of the year Zach Messinger - pitched 150 innings at AA, good ERA and Whip 3.06 and 1.107, projects as a backend guy Rafael Flores 1b/C - seems to have a decent bat but has position/defensive limitations Jasson Dominguez - probably a 2025 starter in the OF Will Warren - was considered a good SP prospect but struggled in the MLs and at AAA Everson Pereira - forgot he was still in the organization Clayton Beeter - Yanks like his arm, has command issues, still being groomed as a SP but I think he's be a better RP prospect Yoendrys Gomez - got a cup of coffee this year, might be a reasonable multi-inning RP/swing man. Ben Rice isn't a top 30 prospect but may compete for a roster spot. Caleb Durbin isn't a top 30 prospect but could compete for a roster spot Not super encouraging  |
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Post by cocopugg on Oct 31, 2024 14:38:09 GMT -5
At $6.77 million and only 27 yrs old, Jazz has to be the "bargain" in the salary department, when it comes to productive Yankees starting position players. I really don't understand the reason why everyone seems to want to move him to 2nd base, I mean, was anyone paying attention to the cannon this guy has at the hot corner? No way I want to see the Yankees waste that arm of his at 2nd base next season. Jazz just needs to practice the 3B position more during Spring Training, but if I was Yankee management, I would insist he remains as the Yankee's 3rd baseman for 2025. |
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Post by yankeesfaninboston on Oct 31, 2024 15:06:09 GMT -5
At $6.77 million and only 27 yrs old, Jazz has to be the "bargain" in the salary department, when it comes to productive Yankees starting position players. I really don't understand the reason why everyone seems to want to move him to 2nd base, I mean, was anyone paying attention to the cannon this guy has at the hot corner? No way I want to see the Yankees waste that arm of his at 2nd base next season. Jazz just needs to practice the 3B position more during Spring Training, but if I was Yankee management, I would insist he remains as the Yankee's 3rd baseman for 2025. I'm on board with Jazz staying at 3B. He looked to show good promise there and should only get better with more experience. I think the reason people "want" to move him to 2B is just how logical it is with Torres a free agent. It's the position Jazz played previously so if it opens up via Torres' departure then it makes a ton of sense to just move Jazz back over. It really depends on what the replacement plan is. I think they should be open either to leaving him at 3B or moving him back to 2nd depending on how they fill out the other spot. |
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Post by yankeesfaninboston on Oct 31, 2024 15:16:39 GMT -5
www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/ranking-top-25-mlb-free-agents-for-2025-juan-soto-at-no-1-plus-landing-spots-for-every-player/Interesting note on Christian Walker here (ranked #17). Jose Abreu w/ HOU is the only right handed 1B over the last 5 offseasons to get more than 2 years on a contract. Walker is also 34 years old, which would point to a shorter term. The Yankees have really been burned in the past with the DJ and Hicks contracts where they offered more years for a lower average annual value (and thus luxury tax number). Both flamed out and left dead money on the books for multiple years (actual dead money with Hicks since he was cut and effectively dead money now with DJ). BUT nonetheless, I wonder if they could do something similar with Walker for 1B? Maybe offering him a 3rd year lowers the tax number on Walker and fit him in Hal's budget. He's a quality hitter and defender at 1B which is a big need. The Yankees are fairly limited in options over the next 3-4 years with the contracts on their books. Their only real path to competing is just to spend a zillion dollars in that stretch. Walker might be a good player on a short pact that they can add to their team for that window and then preserve the flexibility to move to a payroll model more sustainable after that.
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Post by stu on Oct 31, 2024 18:24:08 GMT -5
I would only expect minor moves until Soto gets sorted out. Would love to see him back, think they have a good shot but it's not a forgone conclusion.
An interesting option would be a one year cushion/prove it type of contract for Yoan Moncada whose team option was just declined by the White Sox today. Maybe he would come cheaply or with games played incentives so he'd be cheap unless he can get in to a lot of games. Assuming he passes a physical.
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 31, 2024 18:39:10 GMT -5
I would only expect minor moves until Soto gets sorted out. Would love to see him back, think they have a good shot but it's not a forgone conclusion. An interesting option would be a one year cushion/prove it type of contract for Yoan Moncada whose team option was just declined by the White Sox today. Maybe he would come cheaply or with games played incentives so he'd be cheap unless he can get in to a lot of games. Assuming he passes a physical. Welcome to the board, Stu! Moncada..there's a guy who had fallen off the map. He's only 29, so someone will take a flier on him, definitely needs an incentive based contract. |
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Post by stu on Oct 31, 2024 19:07:05 GMT -5
I would only expect minor moves until Soto gets sorted out. Would love to see him back, think they have a good shot but it's not a forgone conclusion. An interesting option would be a one year cushion/prove it type of contract for Yoan Moncada whose team option was just declined by the White Sox today. Maybe he would come cheaply or with games played incentives so he'd be cheap unless he can get in to a lot of games. Assuming he passes a physical. Welcome to the board, Stu! Moncada..there's a guy who had fallen off the map. He's only 29, so someone will take a flier on him, definitely needs an incentive based contract. I think that's probably the type of guy they will look at before Soto is resolved. Low cost and short term deals. I could be wrong but I think any big moves will be on hold until Soto is off the board. There are some interesting options if they do lose Soto that might help lengthen the lineup if they pivot and sign multiple players, but I really hope Soto stays. I know Hal called the payroll "unsustainable", but could losing to a team that blew through a billion in contracts last offseason change his mind? |
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