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Post by ypaterson on Oct 31, 2024 10:06:37 GMT -5
I would trade any player on this team for Scott Brosius. He was a winner. Showed up to play when the stakes were highest. Hit .471 in the 1998 WS, .375 in the 1999 WS and .308 in the 2000 WS. His respective regular season batting averages for those years was .300, .247 and .230. But he showed up to play when it was on the line. Gamer. True grit. So would I...and Brosius is about 60 years old !!! |
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Post by ypaterson on Oct 31, 2024 10:08:28 GMT -5
I would trade any player on this team for Scott Brosius. He was a winner. Showed up to play when the stakes were highest. Hit .471 in the 1998 WS, .375 in the 1999 WS and .308 in the 2000 WS. His respective regular season batting averages for those years was .300, .247 and .230. But he showed up to play when it was on the line. Gamer. True grit. That would be a really bad move, he's almost 60 years old. I'd wager he is still faster from 1st to 3rd than Verdugo, Torres or Soto ! |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 31, 2024 10:10:39 GMT -5
I would trade any player on this team for Scott Brosius. He was a winner. Showed up to play when the stakes were highest. Hit .471 in the 1998 WS, .375 in the 1999 WS and .308 in the 2000 WS. His respective regular season batting averages for those years was .300, .247 and .230. But he showed up to play when it was on the line. Gamer. True grit. That would be a really bad move, he's almost 60 years old. Cashman should have let Brosius walk in free agency after the 98 season and kept Mike Lowell. One of the original of his many, many mistakes. |
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Post by ypaterson on Oct 31, 2024 10:16:49 GMT -5
That would be a really bad move, he's almost 60 years old. Cashman should have let Brosius walk in free agency after the 98 season and kept Mike Lowell. One of the original of his many, many mistakes. Or he should have traded Lowell to the Mariners a year earlier. They offered Randy Johnson in return for Irabu and Lowell. The young Mr. Cashman said no. |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 31, 2024 10:37:52 GMT -5
Cashman should have let Brosius walk in free agency after the 98 season and kept Mike Lowell. One of the original of his many, many mistakes. Or he should have traded Lowell to the Mariners a year earlier. They offered Randy Johnson in return for Irabu and Lowell. The young Mr. Cashman said no. I never heard that one before. I think you just ruined my Halloween.  |
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Post by cocopugg on Oct 31, 2024 10:46:11 GMT -5
Just wasn't a championship team. Yeah, Judge had a horrible series, but Ohtani only had 2 hits himself, so that cancels out. Neither team's best player played well. So we can't lean on the Judge excuse. Team just didn't have heart. Fire. Passion. The last great Yankees teams from 1996-2000 had that. Even in "lesser" players like Scott Brosius. Watching this Yankees team all year only made me appreciate the legendary 1996-2001 Yankees (and yes, we have to include 2001, because 2 more outs and it would've been 4 championships in a row) that much more! |
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Post by hitman23 on Oct 31, 2024 10:55:53 GMT -5
I would trade any player on this team for Scott Brosius. He was a winner. Showed up to play when the stakes were highest. Hit .471 in the 1998 WS, .375 in the 1999 WS and .308 in the 2000 WS. His respective regular season batting averages for those years was .300, .247 and .230. But he showed up to play when it was on the line. Gamer. True grit. That would be a really bad move, he's almost 60 years old. Bet he would play with more heart than anyone we currently have. Just don't get any sense of passion or fire from this team. Or really, any Yankees team in quite a long time. |
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Post by donniebaseball23 on Oct 31, 2024 10:56:27 GMT -5
Just wasn't a championship team. Yeah, Judge had a horrible series, but Ohtani only had 2 hits himself, so that cancels out. Neither team's best player played well. So we can't lean on the Judge excuse. Team just didn't have heart. Fire. Passion. The last great Yankees teams from 1996-2000 had that. Even in "lesser" players like Scott Brosius. Watching this Yankees team all year only made me appreciate the legendary 1996-2001 Yankees (and yes, we have to include 2001, because 2 more outs and it would've been 4 championships in a row) that much more! These current Yankee teams can't hold those team's jocks. We have nothing even approaching the core-4. Those dynasty teams were centered around homegrown talent thanks to Stick Michael's work in the mid-90's. The current Yankees don't develop talent like that. They have Aaron Judge who is great, but he doesn't have the playoff gene (so far). Gleyber had an up and down career and it's probably time to move on. Volpe is still young, so maybe he's a dude eventually. The Martian gets his shot next year, but he isn't a sure thing. Anybody else are spare parts. Pitching wise, Gil and Schmidt both showed some promise this year, but they have to continue on the right track. There are no other obvious guys in the system. Until we get a GM committed to scouting and development, we will continue to drift from year to year chasing glory with a roster largely made of overpaid vets who don't produce at the rate they're paid. |
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Post by hitman23 on Oct 31, 2024 10:58:55 GMT -5
Just wasn't a championship team. Yeah, Judge had a horrible series, but Ohtani only had 2 hits himself, so that cancels out. Neither team's best player played well. So we can't lean on the Judge excuse. Team just didn't have heart. Fire. Passion. The last great Yankees teams from 1996-2000 had that. Even in "lesser" players like Scott Brosius. Watching this Yankees team all year only made me appreciate the legendary 1996-2001 Yankees (and yes, we have to include 2001, because 2 more outs and it would've been 4 championships in a row) that much more! Those were legendarily good teams and set a high bar. Obviously, I don't expect a historically good team every year, but those teams also just played with grit and determination and got key contributions from role players, not just the stars. Truly had a "refuse to lose" mindset. I just don't get any of that from current Yankee squads. I wanna see some get pissed, go Paul O'Neill on a water cooler. Look like you care. |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 31, 2024 10:59:11 GMT -5
Watching this Yankees team all year only made me appreciate the legendary 1996-2001 Yankees (and yes, we have to include 2001, because 2 more outs and it would've been 4 championships in a row) that much more! These current Yankee teams can't hold those team's jocks. We have nothing even approaching the core-4. Those dynasty teams were centered around homegrown talent thanks to Stick Michael's work in the mid-90's. The current Yankees don't develop talent like that. They have Aaron Judge who is great, but he doesn't have the playoff gene (so far). Gleyber had an up and down career and it's probably time to move on. Volpe is still young, so maybe he's a dude eventually. The Martian gets his shot next year, but he isn't a sure thing. Anybody else are spare parts. Pitching wise, Gil and Schmidt both showed some promise this year, but they have to continue on the right track. There are no other obvious guys in the system. Until we get a GM committed to scouting and development, we will continue to drift from year to year chasing glory with a roster largely made of overpaid vets who don't produce at the rate they're paid. That's one of the big differences between the Dodgers and the Yankees. The both have gigantic payrolls, but the Dodgers do a much better job at developing their own players. |
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Post by hitman23 on Oct 31, 2024 11:02:25 GMT -5
Watching this Yankees team all year only made me appreciate the legendary 1996-2001 Yankees (and yes, we have to include 2001, because 2 more outs and it would've been 4 championships in a row) that much more! These current Yankee teams can't hold those team's jocks. We have nothing even approaching the core-4. Those dynasty teams were centered around homegrown talent thanks to Stick Michael's work in the mid-90's. The current Yankees don't develop talent like that. They have Aaron Judge who is great, but he doesn't have the playoff gene (so far). Gleyber had an up and down career and it's probably time to move on. Volpe is still young, so maybe he's a dude eventually. The Martian gets his shot next year, but he isn't a sure thing. Anybody else are spare parts. Pitching wise, Gil and Schmidt both showed some promise this year, but they have to continue on the right track. There are no other obvious guys in the system. Until we get a GM committed to scouting and development, we will continue to drift from year to year chasing glory with a roster largely made of overpaid vets who don't produce at the rate they're paid. Seems there's a lot of fix. I could be wrong in my perception, but it feels like we basically win by smashing the ball out of the ballpark right now. If that's not happening (as in the Dodgers series) we're dead in the water. We have some good players but are not a well-constructed team. Those late 90s teams had fantastic chemistry. Even the spare parts played critical roles. Right now it feels like we're Judge or bust. |
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Post by donniebaseball23 on Oct 31, 2024 11:21:52 GMT -5
These current Yankee teams can't hold those team's jocks. We have nothing even approaching the core-4. Those dynasty teams were centered around homegrown talent thanks to Stick Michael's work in the mid-90's. The current Yankees don't develop talent like that. They have Aaron Judge who is great, but he doesn't have the playoff gene (so far). Gleyber had an up and down career and it's probably time to move on. Volpe is still young, so maybe he's a dude eventually. The Martian gets his shot next year, but he isn't a sure thing. Anybody else are spare parts. Pitching wise, Gil and Schmidt both showed some promise this year, but they have to continue on the right track. There are no other obvious guys in the system. Until we get a GM committed to scouting and development, we will continue to drift from year to year chasing glory with a roster largely made of overpaid vets who don't produce at the rate they're paid. Seems there's a lot of fix. I could be wrong in my perception, but it feels like we basically win by smashing the ball out of the ballpark right now. If that's not happening (as in the Dodgers series) we're dead in the water. We have some good players but are not a well-constructed team. Those late 90s teams had fantastic chemistry. Even the spare parts played critical roles. Right now it feels like we're Judge or bust. This team was absolutely live or die with the long ball. When Soto and/or Judge were slumping, they scuffled. Stanton is an absolute playoff monster, and is a useful piece during the season when healthy, but he's paid like an MVP candidate. Here's my take on the roster: C - Wells has potential, and his play behind the plate is excellent, but at this point, he's prone to disappearing for long stretches...which isn't unusual for a young guy. I think he will turn into a very good C, maybe make an AS game or two. I feel okay about this position going forward. 1B - Disaster. Rizzo should and probably will be gone. DJ is not a MLB player anymore. OsCab can play here, but he's not a 1B bat. They need to do something here. Christian Walker (good power/good glove) might be someone to look at, but he's getting up there in age. Alonso would be another HR or bust guy, but he's a terrible fielder. 2B - Time to move on from Gleyber IMO. Would be best for both. His okay bat doesn't make up for the defensive lapses for me. Maybe he's back on a reasonable deal and I guess I'd be okay with that, just don't pay him like a star. If he goes, I think we're okay with Jazz here. SS - I didn't see the progress I wanted from Volpe, but he shows flashes. He just needs to get the consistency down. He came up big in some big spots in the playoffs. Good, not great fielder. I feel tentatively okay about this position. 3B - This depends largely on what happens with Gleyber. If Gleyber goes, presumably Jazz moves over to 2B. That leaves you with OsCab and Berti, neither of whom moves the needle offensively. Do they go in big on someone like Bergman? Not many other options out there. This position is a big question mark. OF - If Soto is back, we're fine here. I was apprehensive about Judge in CF, but overall he did fine other than last night's glaring miscue. If you have Judge/Soto, you're set. The Martial presumably gets LF next year. If he hits, we're in really good shape. If he struggles...well, better hope Soto's back. My feeling on this group hinges on Soto's decision. DH - Stanton, even with the bloated contract, is crucial to the team's success. They struggled badly when he was out. If he can give us 120-130 games with similar production next year, we should be happy. SP - Looks like Cole, Rodon, Nestor, Gil and Schmidt. Strohman a wildcard. Cole is Cole and will be fine, though I think his stuff is starting to show some signs of age creeping in. Rodon is honestly ideally a #3 or 4. Nestor the same. Gil needs to get his command down. Schmidt was terrific during the regular season, but shaky in October. If we need to lean on Strohman at all, God help us. This is one of my biggest concerns. I do not think the rotation, as currently constructed, is anywhere near good enough. Bullpen - I think Weaver showed enough to give him the Closer job. He was excellent. Holmes is probably gone, but if he can be brought back as a 7th or 8th inning guy, I think I'd be okay with it. Kahnle runs hot/cold. Nobody else stands out. Need to improve here. Can't really say how I feel about the pen until we see who we run with next year. I'd love a roster makeover that stresses the fundamentals and is more complimentary, but given the contracts we're saddled with, it's not really possible. Gotta hope we can piece together a winner somehow. |
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Post by Max on Oct 31, 2024 11:45:31 GMT -5
I'm not saying nor am I suggesting that the Yankees threw that game. But because of their horrible mistakes in the 5th inning, I felt like I was watching the movie Eight Men Out.
The Bottom Line...In my opinions... The Yankees didn't deserve to win that game. Championship teams don't make so many mistakes in one inning.
Don't know why Judge took his eye off the ball, since his team was up 5-0, so the runner on 1B means nothing. No need for Judge to think about throwing behind him. If the runner was going to be stupid enough to tag up, he would have been out at 2B by a country mile. All Judge needed to do was catch the ball.
The Volpe play was tough, but that's a play that again in my opinion should be made. Cole had to get 6 outs that inning. 1 of the extra outs was his own fault. Fundamental baseball 101. The pitcher has to get over to 1B, it's then up to the 1Bman to wave him off or not. Other than that Cole gave a championship effort/pitching performance.
Even after all that, the game was only tied. The Yankees get the lead back, but can't hold it. I don't know what the stats say, but it seems like the Yankees left an awful lot of runners on base after they were winning 5-0.
I've mentioned it a half dozen times on this board, I don't care what the advanced metrics say, this is a bad defensive baseball team. I like the idea of Torres playing 1B, but I'm not sure that's going to happen. In my opinion, the 2024 world series came down to the bullpens. The Yankees won the laugher game, the other 4 games could have went either way. The Dodgers were the better team, because of their bullpen. |
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Post by Max on Oct 31, 2024 11:52:59 GMT -5
As for the Yankees heart... They finished with he 2nd best record in MLB, they also could have folded after game 1 and didn't. They were in every game.
I like Brosius, but in my opinion he was a good player on a very good team. Bucky Dent and Brian Doyle had good world series too.
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Post by Max on Oct 31, 2024 12:00:54 GMT -5
Watching this Yankees team all year only made me appreciate the legendary 1996-2001 Yankees (and yes, we have to include 2001, because 2 more outs and it would've been 4 championships in a row) that much more! Those were legendarily good teams and set a high bar. Obviously, I don't expect a historically good team every year, but those teams also just played with grit and determination and got key contributions from role players, not just the stars. Truly had a "refuse to lose" mindset. I just don't get any of that from current Yankee squads. I wanna see some get pissed, go Paul O'Neill on a water cooler. Look like you care. Hitting a water cooler is symbolic nonsense. All that means is a player lost his cool. Since when does that mean he cares more than others. I didn't see any Yankee not give 100% effort. Even on the Cole Rizzo play it looked more like a mix up. Judge sure looked like he cared when he crashed into the OF wall. Volpe made some nice plays, so did Rizzo and Jazz. Verdugo also made many very good plays. Torres played well. Soto was Soto. Cole and Weaver left it all out on the field. |
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