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Post by ypaterson on Oct 31, 2024 12:06:01 GMT -5
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Post by hitman23 on Oct 31, 2024 12:17:42 GMT -5
Those were legendarily good teams and set a high bar. Obviously, I don't expect a historically good team every year, but those teams also just played with grit and determination and got key contributions from role players, not just the stars. Truly had a "refuse to lose" mindset. I just don't get any of that from current Yankee squads. I wanna see some get pissed, go Paul O'Neill on a water cooler. Look like you care. Hitting a water cooler is symbolic nonsense. All that means is a player lost his cool. Since when does that mean he cares more than others. I didn't see any Yankee not give 100% effort. Even on the Cole Rizzo play it looked more like a mix up. Judge sure looked like he cared when he crashed into the OF wall. Volpe made some nice plays, so did Rizzo and Jazz. Verdugo also made many very good plays. Torres played well. Soto was Soto. Cole and Weaver left it all out on the field. Beauty is the eye of the beholder. |
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Post by noetsi on Oct 31, 2024 12:24:33 GMT -5
I would trade any player on this team for Scott Brosius. He was a winner. Showed up to play when the stakes were highest. Hit .471 in the 1998 WS, .375 in the 1999 WS and .308 in the 2000 WS. His respective regular season batting averages for those years was .300, .247 and .230. But he showed up to play when it was on the line. Gamer. True grit. I have to say, given I have no TV, that the Dodgers seemed to want this more than we did, the reverse of past series I have seen. Brosius is a good example he tried really hard and was a solid player. The defense and relief pitching killed us, but I think a lack of confidence/ commitment also played a role. |
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Post by noetsi on Oct 31, 2024 12:25:47 GMT -5
These current Yankee teams can't hold those team's jocks. We have nothing even approaching the core-4. Those dynasty teams were centered around homegrown talent thanks to Stick Michael's work in the mid-90's. The current Yankees don't develop talent like that. They have Aaron Judge who is great, but he doesn't have the playoff gene (so far). Gleyber had an up and down career and it's probably time to move on. Volpe is still young, so maybe he's a dude eventually. The Martian gets his shot next year, but he isn't a sure thing. Anybody else are spare parts. Pitching wise, Gil and Schmidt both showed some promise this year, but they have to continue on the right track. There are no other obvious guys in the system. Until we get a GM committed to scouting and development, we will continue to drift from year to year chasing glory with a roster largely made of overpaid vets who don't produce at the rate they're paid. That's one of the big differences between the Dodgers and the Yankees. The both have gigantic payrolls, but the Dodgers do a much better job at developing their own players. Our farm system is useless. |
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Post by noetsi on Oct 31, 2024 12:27:37 GMT -5
Hitting a water cooler is symbolic nonsense. All that means is a player lost his cool. Since when does that mean he cares more than others. I didn't see any Yankee not give 100% effort. Even on the Cole Rizzo play it looked more like a mix up. Judge sure looked like he cared when he crashed into the OF wall. Volpe made some nice plays, so did Rizzo and Jazz. Verdugo also made many very good plays. Torres played well. Soto was Soto. Cole and Weaver left it all out on the field. Beauty is the eye of the beholder. I think Paul Oneil was an all out competitor who was really bothered by playing poorly. I would love to see more of that commitment on this team. When you can't beat a runner for first base on what should be a ground out something is wrong although maybe it is age. |
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Post by ill636 on Oct 31, 2024 12:29:49 GMT -5
I'm not saying nor am I suggesting that the Yankees threw that game. But because of their horrible mistakes in the 5th inning, I felt like I was watching the movie Eight Men Out.
The Bottom Line...In my opinions... The Yankees didn't deserve to win that game. Championship teams don't make so many mistakes in one inning.
Don't know why Judge took his eye off the ball, since his team was up 5-0, so the runner on 1B means nothing. No need for Judge to think about throwing behind him. If the runner was going to be stupid enough to tag up, he would have been out at 2B by a country mile. All Judge needed to do was catch the ball.
The Volpe play was tough, but that's a play that again in my opinion should be made. Cole had to get 6 outs that inning. 1 of the extra outs was his own fault. Fundamental baseball 101. The pitcher has to get over to 1B, it's then up to the 1Bman to wave him off or not. Other than that Cole gave a championship effort/pitching performance.
Even after all that, the game was only tied. The Yankees get the lead back, but can't hold it. I don't know what the stats say, but it seems like the Yankees left an awful lot of runners on base after they were winning 5-0.
watch the video and pause at 3-4 seconds ... Cole was running over to cover and realized that Rizzo had an easy play at 1st and no way he was out running Betts Rizzo's first reaction is a slow underhand toss ... only god knows why. Then completly quits on the play and is looking across the field for some ubkown reason Betts is 25-30 feet from the bag when rizzo fields it ... and rizzo is about 8 feet away so Cole stopped running One of the most bizarre plays Ive ever seen ... ironically this is very comparable to the Mookie Wilson play with Rizzo playing the role of Buckner Why don't you listen to what Cole said about the play, rather than trying to interpret a video????? |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 31, 2024 12:38:03 GMT -5
Beauty is the eye of the beholder. I think Paul Oneil was an all out competitor who was really bothered by playing poorly. I would love to see more of that commitment on this team. When you can't beat a runner for first base on what should be a ground out something is wrong although maybe it is age. More a mental mistake than anything. Once you hesitate, you're finished. |
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Post by ypaterson on Oct 31, 2024 13:33:14 GMT -5
watch the video and pause at 3-4 seconds ... Cole was running over to cover and realized that Rizzo had an easy play at 1st and no way he was out running Betts Rizzo's first reaction is a slow underhand toss ... only god knows why. Then completly quits on the play and is looking across the field for some ubkown reason Betts is 25-30 feet from the bag when rizzo fields it ... and rizzo is about 8 feet away so Cole stopped running One of the most bizarre plays Ive ever seen ... ironically this is very comparable to the Mookie Wilson play with Rizzo playing the role of Buckner Why don't you listen to what Cole said about the play, rather than trying to interpret a video????? |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 31, 2024 13:44:18 GMT -5
Why don't you listen to what Cole said about the play, rather than trying to interpret a video????? Of course he should have been out of the inning long before that. The fact he got 6 more outs after that misplay was pretty amazing. |
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Post by ypaterson on Oct 31, 2024 14:07:13 GMT -5
“I took a bad angle to the ball. I wasn’t sure, off the bat, how hard he hit it,” Cole told reporters, per SNY. “I took a direct angle to it as if to cut it off because I just didn’t know how hard he hit it. By the time the ball got by me, I was not in a position to cover first. Neither of us were based on the spin of the baseball and him having to secure it. Just a bad read off the bat.”nesn.com/2024/10/yankees-ace-gerrit-cole-explains-costly-world-series-mistake/ Of course he should have been out of the inning long before that. The fact he got 6 more outs after that misplay was pretty amazing.
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Post by Max on Oct 31, 2024 14:30:11 GMT -5
Of course he should have been out of the inning long before that. The fact he got 6 more outs after that misplay was pretty amazing.
Yep, they win as a team and they lose as a team. The Dodgers deserve credit to for taking advantage of the Yankees poor play. |
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Post by noetsi on Oct 31, 2024 14:39:54 GMT -5
I think Paul Oneil was an all out competitor who was really bothered by playing poorly. I would love to see more of that commitment on this team. When you can't beat a runner for first base on what should be a ground out something is wrong although maybe it is age. More a mental mistake than anything. Once you hesitate, you're finished. He is a veteran player not a youngster. What to do should be instinctive in a player who was supposed to be a good defensive player |
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Post by noetsi on Oct 31, 2024 14:41:14 GMT -5
Of course he should have been out of the inning long before that. The fact he got 6 more outs after that misplay was pretty amazing.
which is an important point. One way or the other one play should not lead to five runs. |
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Post by ypaterson on Oct 31, 2024 14:50:43 GMT -5
The loss was a team effort. Lots of bad plays some of which were obvious, some not so clear. Some errors were on the field, some were on the basepaths. It all came together in another humiliating loss.
Yep, they win as a team and they lose as a team. The Dodgers deserve credit to for taking advantage of the Yankees poor play.
Freddie Freeman will get all the tributes. He earned them. But Giancarlo is as good or better in the postseason and it will go unnoticed. He deserves a better fate. |
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Post by hitman23 on Nov 1, 2024 7:46:35 GMT -5
As for the Yankees heart... They finished with he 2nd best record in MLB, they also could have folded after game 1 and didn't. They were in every game. I like Brosius, but in my opinion he was a good player on a very good team. Bucky Dent and Brian Doyle had good world series too. We finished with the 2nd best record but could have done so much better if we were fundamentally sound. Several times they had a chance to pull away in the division but never could. A good but inconsistent team (a nightmarish recurring theme under Boone). Seems every year we have an almost historically good stretch, followed by a dismally bad stretch. The point with Brosius is that he was a good role player type guy but he showed up when the lights were brightest. Cole showed up for this World Series. That's about it. We have consistently underperformed in the post-season under Boone. We got some luck this year with a fairly easy path through the AL playoffs. We haven't had that postseason "it" factor in a very long time. As to not folding after Game 1, I dunno. On the flip side I see it as the Dodgers didn't exactly play phenomenally. The best player on the planet, Ohtani, wasn't much of a factor. And we still lost. If we had played even reasonably well, we'd still be playing. |
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