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Post by Max on Oct 30, 2024 23:11:57 GMT -5
I'm not saying nor am I suggesting that the Yankees threw that game. But because of their horrible mistakes in the 5th inning, I felt like I was watching the movie Eight Men Out.
The Bottom Line...In my opinions... The Yankees didn't deserve to win that game. Championship teams don't make so many mistakes in one inning.
Don't know why Judge took his eye off the ball, since his team was up 5-0, so the runner on 1B means nothing. No need for Judge to think about throwing behind him. If the runner was going to be stupid enough to tag up, he would have been out at 2B by a country mile. All Judge needed to do was catch the ball.
The Volpe play was tough, but that's a play that again in my opinion should be made. Cole had to get 6 outs that inning. 1 of the extra outs was his own fault. Fundamental baseball 101. The pitcher has to get over to 1B, it's then up to the 1Bman to wave him off or not. Other than that Cole gave a championship effort/pitching performance.
Even after all that, the game was only tied. The Yankees get the lead back, but can't hold it. I don't know what the stats say, but it seems like the Yankees left an awful lot of runners on base after they were winning 5-0.
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Post by qimqam on Oct 30, 2024 23:20:17 GMT -5
I'm not saying nor am I suggesting that the Yankees threw that game. But because of their horrible mistakes in the 5th inning, I felt like I was watching the movie Eight Men Out.
The Bottom Line...In my opinions... The Yankees didn't deserve to win that game. Championship teams don't make so many mistakes in one inning.
Don't know why Judge took his eye off the ball, since his team was up 5-0, so the runner on 1B means nothing. No need for Judge to think about throwing behind him. If the runner was going to be stupid enough to tag up, he would have been out at 2B by a country mile. All Judge needed to do was catch the ball.
The Volpe play was tough, but that's a play that again in my opinion should be made. Cole had to get 6 outs that inning. 1 of the extra outs was his own fault. Fundamental baseball 101. The pitcher has to get over to 1B, it's then up to the 1Bman to wave him off or not. Other than that Cole gave a championship effort/pitching performance.
Even after all that, the game was only tied. The Yankees get the lead back, but can't hold it. I don't know what the stats say, but it seems like the Yankees left an awful lot of runners on base after they were winning 5-0.
watch the video and pause at 3-4 seconds ... Cole was running over to cover and realized that Rizzo had an easy play at 1st and no way he was out running Betts Rizzo's first reaction is a slow underhand toss ... only god knows why. Then completly quits on the play and is looking across the field for some ubkown reason Betts is 25-30 feet from the bag when rizzo fields it ... and rizzo is about 8 feet away so Cole stopped running One of the most bizarre plays Ive ever seen ... ironically this is very comparable to the Mookie Wilson play with Rizzo playing the role of Buckner |
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Post by JEGnj on Oct 30, 2024 23:23:41 GMT -5
I can't remember what pitcher it was but the other day when Rizzo bumbled the bad throw. It hit his glove. It was a bad throw but your a major league first baseman.
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Post by qimqam on Oct 30, 2024 23:32:46 GMT -5
I can't remember what pitcher it was but the other day when Rizzo bumbled the bad throw. It hit his glove. It was a bad throw but your a major league first baseman. It's been happening all year with Rizzo ... he has been horrible at 1b to the point he looks impaired at times Tonights play is mind boggling to me ... that people are blaming Cole is crazy I just looked at the Bill Buckner video ... that was a much harder play then Rizzos tonight |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Oct 31, 2024 0:04:31 GMT -5
I'm not saying nor am I suggesting that the Yankees threw that game. But because of their horrible mistakes in the 5th inning, I felt like I was watching the movie Eight Men Out.
The Bottom Line...In my opinions... The Yankees didn't deserve to win that game. Championship teams don't make so many mistakes in one inning.
Don't know why Judge took his eye off the ball, since his team was up 5-0, so the runner on 1B means nothing. No need for Judge to think about throwing behind him. If the runner was going to be stupid enough to tag up, he would have been out at 2B by a country mile. All Judge needed to do was catch the ball.
The Volpe play was tough, but that's a play that again in my opinion should be made. Cole had to get 6 outs that inning. 1 of the extra outs was his own fault. Fundamental baseball 101. The pitcher has to get over to 1B, it's then up to the 1Bman to wave him off or not. Other than that Cole gave a championship effort/pitching performance.
Even after all that, the game was only tied. The Yankees get the lead back, but can't hold it. I don't know what the stats say, but it seems like the Yankees left an awful lot of runners on base after they were winning 5-0.
I've mentioned it a half dozen times on this board, I don't care what the advanced metrics say, this is a bad defensive baseball team. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Oct 31, 2024 0:38:26 GMT -5
Rizzo play obv the worst, but they got the lead back. Gotta hold it, but Kahnle who has been mostly solid all year gave up a few then the sac flys. Then back to no hit with RISP.
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Post by hitman23 on Oct 31, 2024 5:43:50 GMT -5
Just wasn't a championship team. Yeah, Judge had a horrible series, but Ohtani only had 2 hits himself, so that cancels out. Neither team's best player played well. So we can't lean on the Judge excuse.
Team just didn't have heart. Fire. Passion. The last great Yankees teams from 1996-2000 had that. Even in "lesser" players like Scott Brosius.
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Post by JEGnj on Oct 31, 2024 8:02:15 GMT -5
Rizzo and Boone are a lot to blame for this. I can see a player gutting it out but the guy had 2 broken fingers, had not hit a HR since July, and was not playing like his old gold glove self. That really hurt the team but there is much much blame to go around.
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Post by donniebaseball23 on Oct 31, 2024 8:02:43 GMT -5
Bad fundamental baseball did them in. I lost count of how many 'bad ABs" they had...swinging at so many pitches out of the zone, not working counts; feels like they were striking out on Ball 4 way too often. Fielding glitches, most notably two veterans forgetting basic little league stuff last night. Baserunning gaffes (which plagued them all year). Horrible situational hitting resulting in an army of runners left on base. The decision to bring in Nestor, who hadn't pitched in almost a month, in such a high-leverage situation like Boone did in Game 1 was just baffling. This was, to me, the worst Yankees WS team I've seen by a wide margin. I'm not going to call it luck, because I don't think it was, but I don't think we get this far most years.
Pennants are always great, but unfortunately it almost certainly ties us to Cashman/Boone for at least next year when I (and many of us) have been saying the team is in desperate need of new leadership and a fresh approach from the front office. This is a dreadfully bad baseball team when it comes to fundamentals, and I'm sorry, that comes down to the skipper. It's his job to correct the myriad mistakes, hold players accountable to those mistakes, and to keep them focused and dialed in. Boone is not good at any of those. Parity was at an all-time high this season, at least in the A.L., so the Yanks were able to drag their extremely flawed team to the Fall Classic. Not sure we get a repeat of that next season or again for a while.
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Post by ypaterson on Oct 31, 2024 8:39:14 GMT -5
I'm not saying nor am I suggesting that the Yankees threw that game. But because of their horrible mistakes in the 5th inning, I felt like I was watching the movie Eight Men Out.
The Bottom Line...In my opinions... The Yankees didn't deserve to win that game. Championship teams don't make so many mistakes in one inning.
Don't know why Judge took his eye off the ball, since his team was up 5-0, so the runner on 1B means nothing. No need for Judge to think about throwing behind him. If the runner was going to be stupid enough to tag up, he would have been out at 2B by a country mile. All Judge needed to do was catch the ball.
The Volpe play was tough, but that's a play that again in my opinion should be made. Cole had to get 6 outs that inning. 1 of the extra outs was his own fault. Fundamental baseball 101. The pitcher has to get over to 1B, it's then up to the 1Bman to wave him off or not. Other than that Cole gave a championship effort/pitching performance.
Even after all that, the game was only tied. The Yankees get the lead back, but can't hold it. I don't know what the stats say, but it seems like the Yankees left an awful lot of runners on base after they were winning 5-0.
I've mentioned it a half dozen times on this board, I don't care what the advanced metrics say, this is a bad defensive baseball team. And that is why I don't think paying Soto $40 M + is a great idea. Judge is not going to be a better center fielder next year. Soto is, at best, adequate in RF. And Dominguez looked clumsy in LF. That is not a path for improving the defense. |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 31, 2024 8:49:28 GMT -5
I've mentioned it a half dozen times on this board, I don't care what the advanced metrics say, this is a bad defensive baseball team. And that is why I don't think paying Soto $40 M + is a great idea. Judge is not going to be a better center fielder next year. Soto is, at best, adequate in RF. And Dominguez looked clumsy in LF. That is not a path for improving the defense. If they don't bring back Soto, that's going to leave a huge hole in the lineup. How are they going to replace in a weak free agent year? |
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Post by vdfebduderocks on Oct 31, 2024 9:02:08 GMT -5
Aaron Boone's the root cause of a lot of the lack of fundamentals that permeate this team. Cashman too, if we want to be perfectly honest.
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Post by ypaterson on Oct 31, 2024 9:09:36 GMT -5
And that is why I don't think paying Soto $40 M + is a great idea. Judge is not going to be a better center fielder next year. Soto is, at best, adequate in RF. And Dominguez looked clumsy in LF. That is not a path for improving the defense. If they don't bring back Soto, that's going to leave a huge hole in the lineup. How are they going to replace in a weak free agent year? There are 11 teams that lose money as a result of the bankruptcy of Diamond Sports. There are going to be players available. I would look at Santander as a free agent as wkk as some lower tier guys inlcuding Conforto and Pederson. Soto had a fine year at the plate but please don't overestimate the impact he had on the won loss reord. The Yankees won about the average number of games they've won every year since Judge arrived. |
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Post by hitman23 on Oct 31, 2024 9:31:54 GMT -5
I would trade any player on this team for Scott Brosius. He was a winner. Showed up to play when the stakes were highest. Hit .471 in the 1998 WS, .375 in the 1999 WS and .308 in the 2000 WS. His respective regular season batting averages for those years was .300, .247 and .230. But he showed up to play when it was on the line. Gamer. True grit.
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Oct 31, 2024 10:03:43 GMT -5
I would trade any player on this team for Scott Brosius. He was a winner. Showed up to play when the stakes were highest. Hit .471 in the 1998 WS, .375 in the 1999 WS and .308 in the 2000 WS. His respective regular season batting averages for those years was .300, .247 and .230. But he showed up to play when it was on the line. Gamer. True grit. That would be a really bad move, he's almost 60 years old. |
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