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Post by bumper on Nov 1, 2024 8:34:20 GMT -5
every AB was fun to watch. easily one of the top 3 hitters in baseball. and as much as we all liked michael king, we may not have made the PS w/o soto. even if we kept king, who else could we have gotten for $24 mil with that type of production. no one. even for only one season, think he was worth it.
moving forward, would love to sign him. think hal wants him back. but make no mistake, he's going for the highest penny and that's a double edged sword. you're looking at a minimum of $50 mil/12 yrs. given how top heavy we already are, that could hamstring us for many years moving forward. with all the other holes we'll have at 1B, 2B (or 3B) and LF, not sure how much will be left over to address them. $50 mil can buy lots of players.
again would love to sign him, but if we do, expect a team w a number of holes like this year's team. is that winnable?
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Nov 1, 2024 8:43:19 GMT -5
every AB was fun to watch. easily one of the top 3 hitters in baseball. and as much as we all liked michael king, we may not have made the PS w/o soto. even if we kept king, who else could we have gotten for $24 mil with that type of production. no one. even for only one season, think he was worth it.
moving forward, would love to sign him. think hal wants him back. but make no mistake, he's going for the highest penny and that's a double edged sword. you're looking at a minimum of $50 mil/12 yrs. given how top heavy we already are, that could hamstring us for many years moving forward. with all the other holes we'll have at 1B, 2B (or 3B) and LF, not sure how much will be left over to address them. $50 mil can buy lots of players.
again would love to sign him, but if we do, expect a team w a number of holes like this year's team. is that winnable?
This is why Cashman gets the big bucks. I hope he makes the correct decision but based on his recent track record I have my doubts. |
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 1, 2024 8:43:50 GMT -5
This is what you get when you trade for rentals. I was surprised the Yankees did that. Now the Dodgers or Mets will get him without giving anything up but money! We lost some decent players with a future! I could be wrong, but I don't see Hal seriously in the hunt unless They can unload millions in salary! MLB hasn't put in all these stupid rules for nothing! MLB is in serious trouble with players salaries out of control! Soto is just another example! Next is the NFL! The Yankees got one of the best hitters in the game for King and a bunch of replaceable players. Soto literally put the Yankees in the World Series, a place they haven't been in 15 years, with his HR in Cleveland. I'd make that trade every time. |
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Post by bomberhojoe on Nov 1, 2024 9:06:18 GMT -5
As good as Soto is, the Yankees could probably get 2 solid (situational hitting) everyday players, a quality reliever and 1 or 2 starters for the money it will take to keep Soto.
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Post by JEGnj on Nov 1, 2024 9:21:05 GMT -5
Yes there is the luxury tax and the big spenders don't want to pay to subsidize the smaller markets that don't spend. There is no reason the Yankees can't re-sign Soto and also upgrade the team. The #22 Jersey alone will provide millions. The seats are always packed. The concessions are a gold mine.
The Yankees don't have top picks but again the minors are a crap shot. Move on from Cashman and find someone to install a system to develop and assess talent. Volpe and Well are a great center but we need young players that will be solid major leaguers.
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Post by ktuck1112 on Nov 1, 2024 9:23:35 GMT -5
Now's not the time for Hal and family to focus on "money" ... If the Dodgers can make the BIG moves that they've been making to put together what was, honestly, a better team than ours (in the end), then Hal just needs to take a page out of his dear ol' dad's book... Get Soto signed and make other necessary moves ( trade prospects for guys that can help us NOW )... It needs to happen... Also, I think we can grab a few vet FA's at position ( i.e. LF Jurickson Profar... He seemed to thrive with being in a better situation with a more competitive team out in SD this year... check his stats: www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/profaju01.shtml ... plus, he's a switch hitter .. even more of a plus is you can play him in the infield if need be... another Jazz type, with pop ) Gotta bring back Soto... Everybody's not built to play in the Bronx.. Soto CLEARLY is... He's definitely a straw that stirs the drink type... Lastly, even though I can really go on and on about this team (because I love it so much), we need some back end bullpen help... We all knew (deep down) that Holmes was never the answer (he tore our hearts out too many times this year... too many, on the back end)... We get a solid back end closer type... And a SOLID start via trade to fit beind Cole - I pray he doesn't opt out, because he can folks, just sayin... Rodon, Gil, and Schmidt are decent enough to hold on to. |
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Post by hitman23 on Nov 1, 2024 9:25:49 GMT -5
As good as Soto is, the Yankees could probably get 2 solid (situational hitting) everyday players, a quality reliever and 1 or 2 starters for the money it will take to keep Soto. We don't need another big bat. Yes, Soto is great, but he doesn't address our biggest needs and deficiencies. Sounds like he's moved on anyway, talking about the team in the past tense. |
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Post by JEGnj on Nov 1, 2024 10:20:22 GMT -5
We all want Soto back but I would love to see him really want to be hear. That was my original point. Is he coached by BorASS and saying only the business speak or is he really not genuine and does not care about history or current situation.
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Post by stu on Nov 1, 2024 10:29:12 GMT -5
Now's not the time for Hal and family to focus on "money" ... If the Dodgers can make the BIG moves that they've been making to put together what was, honestly, a better team than ours (in the end), then Hal just needs to take a page out of his dear ol' dad's book... Get Soto signed and make other necessary moves ( trade prospects for guys that can help us NOW )... It needs to happen... Also, I think we can grab a few vet FA's at position ( i.e. LF Jurickson Profar... He seemed to thrive with being in a better situation with a more competitive team out in SD this year... check his stats: www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/profaju01.shtml ... plus, he's a switch hitter .. even more of a plus is you can play him in the infield if need be... another Jazz type, with pop ) Gotta bring back Soto... Everybody's not built to play in the Bronx.. Soto CLEARLY is... He's definitely a straw that stirs the drink type... Lastly, even though I can really go on and on about this team (because I love it so much), we need some back end bullpen help... We all knew (deep down) that Holmes was never the answer (he tore our hearts out too many times this year... too many, on the back end)... We get a solid back end closer type... And a SOLID start via trade to fit beind Cole - I pray he doesn't opt out, because he can folks, just sayin... Rodon, Gil, and Schmidt are decent enough to hold on to. Profar is kind of interesting, and the Yankees/Cashman have tried in the past to trade for him (back in his early Rangers days). He could handle LF and has experience at 2b/3b/1b, even SS although those days are probably behind him. Can he repeat or come close to his 2024 is the question. He was a guy who SD signed off of the scrap heap for just 1 million last year. Cole can opt out but the Yankees can void the opt out if they tack on one more year to his contract. I guess they would do that rather than take their chances on the open market. |
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Post by donniebaseball23 on Nov 1, 2024 12:33:35 GMT -5
Now's not the time for Hal and family to focus on "money" ... If the Dodgers can make the BIG moves that they've been making to put together what was, honestly, a better team than ours (in the end), then Hal just needs to take a page out of his dear ol' dad's book... Get Soto signed and make other necessary moves ( trade prospects for guys that can help us NOW )... It needs to happen... Also, I think we can grab a few vet FA's at position ( i.e. LF Jurickson Profar... He seemed to thrive with being in a better situation with a more competitive team out in SD this year... check his stats: www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/profaju01.shtml ... plus, he's a switch hitter .. even more of a plus is you can play him in the infield if need be... another Jazz type, with pop ) Gotta bring back Soto... Everybody's not built to play in the Bronx.. Soto CLEARLY is... He's definitely a straw that stirs the drink type... Lastly, even though I can really go on and on about this team (because I love it so much), we need some back end bullpen help... We all knew (deep down) that Holmes was never the answer (he tore our hearts out too many times this year... too many, on the back end)... We get a solid back end closer type... And a SOLID start via trade to fit beind Cole - I pray he doesn't opt out, because he can folks, just sayin... Rodon, Gil, and Schmidt are decent enough to hold on to. I mentioned Profar somewhere here yesterday, but as somebody I'd probably avoid. He's been around since 2012 and the only plus offensive year he's had was last season...a contract year. That's a red flag on someone who is a huge risk for a big drop off in production. Aside from Soto, this is a really subpar FA crop, unfortunately. |
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Post by yankeesfaninboston on Nov 1, 2024 12:38:36 GMT -5
Spotrac says the Yankees payroll last year was $314.7M ($375.4M after the tax). Hal called that unstainable. That's an actual quote. Our payroll for 2025 is already at about $240M heading into the offseason. Soto is rumored to be getting $50M/year. Just signing him alone without replacing anyone else (Torres, Rizzo, Holmes, Verdugo) is going to put our payroll within $20M of a level Hal called unstainable. If $314M was unsustainable, then logically that implies Hal wants it to be less so we wouldn't even have that full $20M to spend.
The team needs to get better, not worse. Re-signing Soto and going cheap everywhere else likely means we're WORSE than this last year, which we saw wasn't good enough. Maybe Dominguez is the ROY, maybe young pitchers and infielders emerge to where we actually get better but I'm not willing to bank on that.
After this upcoming year (2025) Hicks' $10M dead money and Rizzo's $6M buyout drop off the books. After the 2026 season you ditch Stroman and DJ contracts. After 2027 you drop Stanton's bloated deal. After 2028 you drop Rodon and Cole. So there is annual relief.
IMO, if they re-sign Soto and try to keep payroll down, they're going to be stuck in the mud the next few years. They'll need some lucky breaks to get over the hump, because they won't be improving. If they want to keep Soto, I hope Hal says fuck it and spends on other players on top of that (new 1B, another high end starter, multiple relievers, a Torres re-signing/replacement). Bloat payrolls to crazy high levels for next year. Then let the bloated/dead weight deals coming off the books over the next few years bring payroll down gradually and then after that stretch when you only have Judge/Soto on the books you try to focus on a more sustainable payroll model for his budget.
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Post by ill636 on Nov 1, 2024 12:50:53 GMT -5
Spotrac says the Yankees payroll last year was $314.7M ($375.4M after the tax). Hal called that unstainable. That's an actual quote. Our payroll for 2025 is already at about $240M heading into the offseason. Soto is rumored to be getting $50M/year. Just signing him alone without replacing anyone else (Torres, Rizzo, Holmes, Verdugo) is going to put our payroll within $20M of a level Hal called unstainable. If $314M was unsustainable, then logically that implies Hal wants it to be less so we wouldn't even have that full $20M to spend. The team needs to get better, not worse. Re-signing Soto and going cheap everywhere else likely means we're WORSE than this last year, which we saw wasn't good enough. Maybe Dominguez is the ROY, maybe young pitchers and infielders emerge to where we actually get better but I'm not willing to bank on that. After this upcoming year (2025) Hicks' $10M dead money and Rizzo's $6M buyout drop off the books. After the 2026 season you ditch Stroman and DJ contracts. After 2027 you drop Stanton's bloated deal. After 2028 you drop Rodon and Cole. So there is annual relief. IMO, if they re-sign Soto and try to keep payroll down, they're going to be stuck in the mud the next few years. They'll need some lucky breaks to get over the hump, because they won't be improving. If they want to keep Soto, I hope Hal says fuck it and spends on other players on top of that (new 1B, another high end starter, multiple relievers, a Torres re-signing/replacement). Bloat payrolls to crazy high levels for next year. Then let the bloated/dead weight deals coming off the books over the next few years bring payroll down gradually and then after that stretch when you only have Judge/Soto on the books you try to focus on a more sustainable payroll model for his budget. I think the whole about money is BS. The Yanks make plenty of money!!!!! I can’t believe that signing Soto and paying to upgrade the infield (primarily at third with jazz moving to second along with first),and upgrade the bull pen will break Hal’s bank. Unless it’s his pet pev about the luxury tax as opposed to getting the best team on the field. If that is so, he should sell the team and let someone else create WS contender for the next 4 years+. |
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Post by donniebaseball23 on Nov 1, 2024 13:35:36 GMT -5
The team needs to get better, not worse. Re-signing Soto and going cheap everywhere else likely means we're WORSE than this last year, which we saw wasn't good enough. Maybe Dominguez is the ROY, maybe young pitchers and infielders emerge to where we actually get better but I'm not willing to bank on that. I'm not sure I see how signing Soto and going cheap elsewhere makes us worse. Soto is a generational talent. He will likely be an MVP candidate for the next 5+ years at least. The other holes needing filled are 1B, where you have to bring somebody in to replace almost zero production. You have to find a 2B/3B depending on what happens with Gleyber. If Gleyber walks and you move Jazz over, Jazz's offense probably at least equals Gleyber. 3B was a black hole before Jazz, so it's not like you're replacing much there. Dominguez is no sure thing, but he doesn't have to be a superstar to replace Verdugo's mediocre production. As for pitching, Cole is likely back. Have to hope Rodon/Nestor can find some sort of consistency. Schmidt/Gil need to trend in the right direction after pretty strong 2024's overall. They're not signing any more SP whether Soto's gone or not. The bullpen needs work, but that's always a crapshoot. If you remove Soto from the lineup, this is a mediocre FA crop. Nobody individually or in aggregate that they bring in is a guarantee to be productive or approach Soto's production. With Soto, at least you know you're getting a very productive superstar. With or without Soto, they have to make smart decisions. But I don't see how you make this team better in any way by letting one of the best 5 hitters in the game walk away. |
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Post by Max on Nov 1, 2024 14:04:29 GMT -5
every AB was fun to watch. easily one of the top 3 hitters in baseball. and as much as we all liked michael king, we may not have made the PS w/o soto. even if we kept king, who else could we have gotten for $24 mil with that type of production. no one. even for only one season, think he was worth it.
moving forward, would love to sign him. think hal wants him back. but make no mistake, he's going for the highest penny and that's a double edged sword. you're looking at a minimum of $50 mil/12 yrs. given how top heavy we already are, that could hamstring us for many years moving forward. with all the other holes we'll have at 1B, 2B (or 3B) and LF, not sure how much will be left over to address them. $50 mil can buy lots of players.
again would love to sign him, but if we do, expect a team w a number of holes like this year's team. is that winnable?
This is why Cashman gets the big bucks. I hope he makes the correct decision but based on his recent track record I have my doubts. I'm not as much of a fan as I once was. Besides the Soto trade, I'm not a fan of some of his trades the past few years (Donaldson, Leiter, Montas trades). |
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Post by Max on Nov 1, 2024 14:06:45 GMT -5
This is what you get when you trade for rentals. I was surprised the Yankees did that. Now the Dodgers or Mets will get him without giving anything up but money! We lost some decent players with a future! I could be wrong, but I don't see Hal seriously in the hunt unless They can unload millions in salary! MLB hasn't put in all these stupid rules for nothing! MLB is in serious trouble with players salaries out of control! Soto is just another example! Next is the NFL! The Yankees got one of the best hitters in the game for King and a bunch of replaceable players. Soto literally put the Yankees in the World Series, a place they haven't been in 15 years, with his HR in Cleveland. I'd make that trade every time. Definitely. |
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