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Post by qimqam on Nov 3, 2024 20:23:53 GMT -5
What does he do well besides hit? Play defense in the outfield? Not really. A demon on the basepaths? No. For that kind of money, I'd like to have a four or five tool player. That ain't him. My first question is, where are these available four and five tool players? Soto hits for power, hits for average, has a top of the league on-base percentage, has a good arm, plays nearly every game, doesn't go into long slumps, and is great in the clutch. And, we know he can play in New York. Many believed that Soto would be a liability in the outfield, but he was actually quite serviceable. According to Baseball-Reference, the only comparable player for his age is Ted Williams. Not many middle of the order hitters are demons on the base paths. There has been very few players in MLB history that Hit for Power, AVG, OBP, Great Fielder, great arm, Great base runner ... Mays, Mantle, Henderson, Bonds, Arod, Otani (when He is pitching) Mookie Betts (at his best), Judge (but he's not really a base stealer) |
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Post by stu on Nov 3, 2024 20:43:09 GMT -5
What does he do well besides hit? Play defense in the outfield? Not really. A demon on the basepaths? No. For that kind of money, I'd like to have a four or five tool player. That ain't him. They might get a shot next offseason at Kyle Tucker. He won't be a free agent until after 2025, and that's if the Astros don't extend him first. Acuna fits the bill but he's not going anywhere. I'm sure you could get Trout but he's not really Trout anymore. Prime Trout was a much better player than Soto. |
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Post by ypaterson on Nov 3, 2024 21:36:33 GMT -5
What does he do well besides hit? Play defense in the outfield? Not really. A demon on the basepaths? No. For that kind of money, I'd like to have a four or five tool player. That ain't him. They might get a shot next offseason at Kyle Tucker. He won't be a free agent until after 2025, and that's if the Astros don't extend him first. Acuna fits the bill but he's not going anywhere. I'm sure you could get Trout but he's not really Trout anymore. Prime Trout was a much better player than Soto. If I am Tucker's agent there wouldm't be much of a chance for an extension. Somebody makes that man very rich. |
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Post by ypaterson on Nov 3, 2024 21:46:00 GMT -5
Last year Brian Cashman set his sites on Yamamoto and negotiated with him right up to the day he signed with the Dodgers. And so the Yankees were left with some money in their pockers and a shortage of starters. Marcus Stroman at $ 17 M per season was the result. My fear is that history will repeat this year and Cshman will bet used by Boras to squeeze every nicket he can out of Steve Cohen and when it happens, the Yankees will be placing phone calls to Willie Calhoun.
Make Soto one offer. Make it as high as the Yankees can go and still meet the other needs. And if the offer is not accepted, move on. Soto is a great hitter but teams have won the World Series without him. There are other ways to spend the money.
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Post by rizzuto on Nov 3, 2024 23:09:29 GMT -5
What does he do well besides hit? Play defense in the outfield? Not really. A demon on the basepaths? No. For that kind of money, I'd like to have a four or five tool player. That ain't him. They might get a shot next offseason at Kyle Tucker. He won't be a free agent until after 2025, and that's if the Astros don't extend him first. Acuna fits the bill but he's not going anywhere. I'm sure you could get Trout but he's not really Trout anymore. Prime Trout was a much better player than Soto. I suspect the Astros will do everything they can to sign Kyle Tucker to an extension before his free agency. They offered him 200 million last year, which was turned down. With a 181 OPS+ last season, Tucker may come close to doubling that amount now. |
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Post by qimqam on Nov 4, 2024 17:06:59 GMT -5
What really sux about this is ... Boras is going to take his time with this so the Yankees will miss out on other free agents or be forced to overpay for someone else if Soto eventually leaves.
If Soto is leaving ... It be nice to know now. My preference would be to go all in on Burnes at that point and let he rest of the pieces fall into place
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Post by stu on Nov 4, 2024 17:25:55 GMT -5
No surprises here:
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Post by Max on Nov 4, 2024 17:45:29 GMT -5
What really sux about this is ... Boras is going to take his time with this so the Yankees will miss out on other free agents or be forced to overpay for someone else if Soto eventually leaves. If Soto is leaving ... It be nice to know now. My preference would be to go all in on Burnes at that point and let he rest of the pieces fall into place That's why I mentioned that the Yankees should make Soto their best take it or leave it offer. |
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 4, 2024 18:57:50 GMT -5
That would be a 10 million dollar pay cut for Soto, lol. |
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Post by rizzuto on Nov 4, 2024 20:20:47 GMT -5
That would be a 10 million dollar pay cut for Soto, lol. Well, after the mediocre season he had...  |
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Post by cocopugg on Nov 4, 2024 22:23:16 GMT -5
What really sux about this is ... Boras is going to take his time with this so the Yankees will miss out on other free agents or be forced to overpay for someone else if Soto eventually leaves. If Soto is leaving ... It be nice to know now. My preference would be to go all in on Burnes at that point and let he rest of the pieces fall into place I agree...Soto would be great to have, but I would rather concentrate on trying to make a Burnes deal their priority, because a team with 2 aces on the staff, goes a long way towards winning a championship! |
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Post by cocopugg on Nov 4, 2024 22:24:35 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but by Soto rejecting that offer, would that entitle the Yankees to another draft pick? |
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 4, 2024 23:22:57 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but by Soto rejecting that offer, would that entitle the Yankees to another draft pick? Yes, they'll get a pick but they had to offer it first. The could have made the same offer to Gleyber but passed. |
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Post by cocopugg on Nov 5, 2024 0:50:38 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but by Soto rejecting that offer, would that entitle the Yankees to another draft pick? Yes, they'll get a pick but they had to offer it first. The could have made the same offer to Gleyber but passed. But there needs to be a limit on the amount they can offer, doesn't there? I mean unless there is such a limit in place, every owner can just offer $1 to players whose contracts are up, whenever they don't want to resign them, guaranteeing they'll reject the offer, and in the process picking up a draft pick. |
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Post by kaybli on Nov 5, 2024 5:50:56 GMT -5
Yes, they'll get a pick but they had to offer it first. The could have made the same offer to Gleyber but passed. But there needs to be a limit on the amount they can offer, doesn't there? I mean unless there is such a limit in place, every owner can just offer $1 to players whose contracts are up, whenever they don't want to resign them, guaranteeing they'll reject the offer, and in the process picking up a draft pick. The qualifying offer is a set price each year consisting of the mean of the top 125 contracts in MLB. This year it’s $21.05 million. Clubs can’t offer different amounts. They can only offer the one year at the set amount. |
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