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Post by bomberhojoe on Nov 3, 2024 8:31:20 GMT -5
So Cole comes to NY, is an ace for his whole time here, fights back from injury, performs well in playoffs and is a pariah for a mistake he made. But Judge (who I love) has a terrible post season, is often injured and drops a routine fly, and mums the word.
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Post by Lola on Nov 3, 2024 8:48:33 GMT -5
So Cole comes to NY, is an ace for his whole time here, fights back from injury, performs well in playoffs and is a pariah for a mistake he made. But Judge (who I love) has a terrible post season, is often injured and drops a routine fly, and mums the word. Judges poor performance dropping the ball is one of the worst plays in WS history…. Hardly forgotten. It’s all over social media! It’s going to a long, long, long time for him to live down that play. It’s right up there with Bill Buckner… imo! |
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Post by ypaterson on Nov 3, 2024 10:02:16 GMT -5
So Cole comes to NY, is an ace for his whole time here, fights back from injury, performs well in playoffs and is a pariah for a mistake he made. But Judge (who I love) has a terrible post season, is often injured and drops a routine fly, and mums the word. The only question Cashman has to consider is if retaining Cole is the best way to spend $ 180 M. I think I'd do a George and go after Buehler. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Nov 3, 2024 10:11:04 GMT -5
So Cole comes to NY, is an ace for his whole time here, fights back from injury, performs well in playoffs and is a pariah for a mistake he made. But Judge (who I love) has a terrible post season, is often injured and drops a routine fly, and mums the word. The only question Cashman has to consider is if retaining Cole is the best way to spend $ 180 M. I think I'd do a George and go after Buehler. I expected the Yankees to pick up the option quickly. I've been wondering since they haven't are there ongoing discussions as to if they should. One would think they knew this was coming so they should have a decision in place. The problem with letting him walk and replacing him with another top of the rotation arm is there aren't a lot of those guys available and we don't have a great recent track record closing deals with top FAs. |
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Post by Max on Nov 3, 2024 11:01:48 GMT -5
Good news. Luke Weaver is coming back for 2025 We should still get a real closer. Weaver might have been a one year wonder. Let him set up… Tanner Scott is a free agent. He's a lefty too. |
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Post by Max on Nov 3, 2024 11:05:37 GMT -5
The only question Cashman has to consider is if retaining Cole is the best way to spend $ 180 M. I think I'd do a George and go after Buehler. I expected the Yankees to pick up the option quickly. I've been wondering since they haven't are there ongoing discussions as to if they should. One would think they knew this was coming so they should have a decision in place. The problem with letting him walk and replacing him with another top of the rotation arm is there aren't a lot of those guys available and we don't have a great recent track record closing deals with top FAs. I wonder if the Yankees had any discussions with Cole about the Yankees not picking up the option and letting Cole become a free agent just long enough to sign a new contract with the Yankees that defers some of the money. |
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Post by cocopugg on Nov 3, 2024 11:05:43 GMT -5
So Cole comes to NY, is an ace for his whole time here, fights back from injury, performs well in playoffs and is a pariah for a mistake he made. But Judge (who I love) has a terrible post season, is often injured and drops a routine fly, and mums the word. That sums it up very well...the same reason Yankees fans loved Jeter, but never warmed up to ARod, even after he won the WS for the Yankees,almost single-handedly in 2009. Sometimes it's just the character in the person that dictates how fans will feel about him. In the case of Cole, I think the fact that as rich as his Yankee contract already made him, opting out because he wanted even more may have been the straw that broke the camel's back with many fans. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Nov 3, 2024 12:48:47 GMT -5
So Cole comes to NY, is an ace for his whole time here, fights back from injury, performs well in playoffs and is a pariah for a mistake he made. But Judge (who I love) has a terrible post season, is often injured and drops a routine fly, and mums the word. That sums it up very well...the same reason Yankees fans loved Jeter, but never warmed up to ARod, even after he won the WS for the Yankees,almost single-handedly in 2009. Sometimes it's just the character in the person that dictates how fans will feel about him. In the case of Cole, I think the fact that as rich as his Yankee contract already made him, opting out because he wanted even more may have been the straw that broke the camel's back with many fans. Not sure I agree. I think most fans expected Cole to opt out and the contract gives him the right to do some. I'm sure the Yankees expected it as well but in reality it's their choice now and can make a decision that is best for the club. Most ballplayers in MLB would have done the same thing in his shoes including just about everyone on our current roster. The game has changed and with few exceptions professional athletes take the best financial deal they can get. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Nov 3, 2024 12:51:39 GMT -5
I expected the Yankees to pick up the option quickly. I've been wondering since they haven't are there ongoing discussions as to if they should. One would think they knew this was coming so they should have a decision in place. The problem with letting him walk and replacing him with another top of the rotation arm is there aren't a lot of those guys available and we don't have a great recent track record closing deals with top FAs. I wonder if the Yankees had any discussions with Cole about the Yankees not picking up the option and letting Cole become a free agent just long enough to sign a new contract with the Yankees that defers some of the money. I was wondering because of his elbow issue earlier in the year if the Yankees wanted him to get checked out before extending. Probably not, but somthing that crossed my mind. |
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Post by bumper on Nov 3, 2024 14:34:17 GMT -5
is today at 5pm the deadline for picking up cole's option. i'm sure there's more discussion involved than there was for rizzo who they passed on.
burnes is being tossed around as an option. and he'd probably be pretty close to cole in terms of being an ace and is 4 yrs younger. spotrac says 6/$180, which i'd go for in heartbeat but also hearing something like 8/$288, at which point you're getting a cole-like contract though you're immediately getting someone 4 yrs and someone w/o elbow issues.
one problem if they pass on cole, suddenly burnes gets more expensive and there's no guarantee you get him and not sure there's anyone else available on that level. so at the end of the day, think they pick up cole's option and go w the devil they know.
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Post by nw on Nov 3, 2024 14:41:19 GMT -5
Essentially the Yankees are able to offer Cole a 5 year, $180M contract that Cole would be forced to take. Verlander, in his similar age range contract made $28M per and was still very effective at the end of the contract, though he missed basically 2 seasons during that contract due to injury.
Cole would almost definitely cost more in the open market, so if the Yankees don't add the year, it can be seen as a goodbye statement.
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Nov 3, 2024 15:03:00 GMT -5
Here is my other wacky theory. Cash has contacted Burn's agent and told him we'll give you the same deal that is on the table for Cole including the extension if you take it before 5PM today.
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 3, 2024 15:29:36 GMT -5
Here is my other wacky theory. Cash has contacted Burn's agent and told him we'll give you the same deal that is on the table for Cole including the extension if you take it before 5PM today. I'm not sure Burns could agree to this officially since free agents aren't yet able to sign with new teams. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Nov 3, 2024 15:33:31 GMT -5
Here is my other wacky theory. Cash has contacted Burn's agent and told him we'll give you the same deal that is on the table for Cole including the extension if you take it before 5PM today. I'm not sure Burns could agree to this officially since free agents aren't yet able to sign with new teams. |
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Post by yankeesfaninboston on Nov 4, 2024 9:44:04 GMT -5
I wonder if there's some creative math they can do with Cole. Instead of picking up the option and making it 5 years, $180M, would he take a 7 year, $210M deal with some deferrals? Depending on how much is deferred, the luxury tax number of that could be $10M or more less than the $36M his exercised option would be. So Hal saves the $10M in salary and the $15M in tax on top of that. And then you factor in the cash flow impact of the deferrals and Hal is saving even more.
Assuming they put the funds towards Soto, they can potentially still add in the next 4 years. Then after that, all the salaries and dead money charges of Rodon/Stanton/Stroman/DJ/Hicks/Rizzo will be long gone and they'll really only have Judge/Soto/Cole on the books so they can try to rebuild with a more sustainable payroll model for Hal.
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