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Post by desousa on Nov 2, 2024 11:36:10 GMT -5
Next shoe.
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 2, 2024 11:36:56 GMT -5
Cole opts out of his deal, which was expected. If Kay wants to merge this with the rest the hot stove, he can, but I thought Cole was worth his own thread.
Thoughts?
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Post by JEGnj on Nov 2, 2024 11:38:23 GMT -5
This is simple add the year and move to Soto.
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 2, 2024 11:41:58 GMT -5
This is simple add the year and move to Soto. It was simple last year but after his injury clouds things a bit. He was great in the post season, but in the regular season his pitch counts were limited and his velocity at times was down. It something to think about. |
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Post by inger on Nov 2, 2024 11:46:44 GMT -5
I’d add the year. He’s smart enough to make adjustments for aging and be around a long time. Even if he slips to a #2 status he contributes with his status as #2 pitching coach (if not #1). He brings value in multiple ways… Get it done quickly, don’t let it fester for no reason…
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Post by JEGnj on Nov 2, 2024 11:49:34 GMT -5
This is simple add the year and move to Soto. It was simple last year but after his injury clouds things a bit. He was great in the post season, but in the regular season his pitch counts were limited and his velocity at times was down. It something to think about. He is also a 2nd coach and mentor to the other pitchers. That's very important. |
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Post by stu on Nov 2, 2024 11:54:28 GMT -5
There are some very good FA pitchers available. Burnes, Flaherty, Fried, and Snell are the standouts. Would they let Cole walk and try to sign one of them as a replacement?
On the plus side, they're all younger than Cole. Cole missed a good chunk of 2024 with his elbow issue and went through the "entire body fatigue" problem late in the year. And it seemed like he was not 100% at least in terms of endurance in the post season.
But the Yankees know Cole very well. They'd be very familiar with what they're getting, and they know he's fine mentally in New York. And there is no competition on the open market for him (probably the biggest plus) to just add the year. If you let him walk you could miss out on all the other top options.
I think unless the Yankees are secretly very worried about Cole's health/elbow/age they will just give him the extra year.
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Post by bumper on Nov 2, 2024 11:55:06 GMT -5
i'm sure they'll do it. was a bit worried about his health and his velo, but he showed in the WS that he can do it. with a winter off and a normal spring think he'll be fine. he'll just pitch smarter.and yeah he's 2nd coach and leader on this team. brings so much else.
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Post by Max on Nov 2, 2024 11:55:55 GMT -5
Cole opts out of his deal, which was expected. If Kay wants to merge this with the rest the hot stove, he can, but I thought Cole was worth his own thread. Thoughts? Yankees should add the year, and give Soto their best take it or leave it offer. If Soto declines, the Yankees should start contract talks with Burnes, Fried, Tanner Scott, Alonso, Santander. If the Yankees can sign Burnes and either Alonso or Santander, I think that would be the best possible trade off for them losing Soto. |
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Post by inger on Nov 2, 2024 11:58:46 GMT -5
There are some very good FA pitchers available. Burnes, Flaherty, Fried, and Snell are the standouts. Would they let Cole walk and try to sign one of them as a replacement? On the plus side, they're all younger than Cole. Cole missed a good chunk of 2024 with his elbow issue and went through the "entire body fatigue" problem late in the year. And it seemed like he was not 100% at least in terms of endurance in the post season. But the Yankees know Cole very well. They'd be very familiar with what they're getting, and they know he's fine mentally in New York. And there is no competition on the open market for him (probably the biggest plus) to just add the year. If you let him walk you could miss out on all the other top options. I think unless the Yankees are secretly very worried about Cole's health/elbow/age they will just give him the extra year. Flaherty and Snell are walking injuries waiting to implode at a moment’s notice. I agree that Burnes and Fried could be near to Cole replacement-level. Keep Cole, grab one of Burnes or Fried (bye, Soto), and call it a job well done…. |
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 2, 2024 12:14:28 GMT -5
We'll know by Monday what the Yanks do with Cole.
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Post by yankeesfaninboston on Nov 2, 2024 12:18:30 GMT -5
As a fan I say just add the year and keep him.
Hal keeps crying about payroll though but then he gets in these spots where he gives in to fan sentiment and locks in a big deal like this that forces us to go cheap in other spots later. Paying Cole for 5 more years at the top of the market as an ace and then him declining into less than that is the exact thing that they keep doing to put us in this frustrating position of wanting to cut costs while still needed to add. If he's serious about lowering payroll these are the unpopular moves you have to make.
My guess though is he sticks to his history and gets cold feet on showing any conviction in his payroll goals. We'll add the year, keep him, he'll decline and be overpaid. Hal will go cheap on the margins as a result and Cashman will keep failing at that and we'll keep being an also ran.
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Post by stu on Nov 2, 2024 12:18:47 GMT -5
There are some very good FA pitchers available. Burnes, Flaherty, Fried, and Snell are the standouts. Would they let Cole walk and try to sign one of them as a replacement? On the plus side, they're all younger than Cole. Cole missed a good chunk of 2024 with his elbow issue and went through the "entire body fatigue" problem late in the year. And it seemed like he was not 100% at least in terms of endurance in the post season. But the Yankees know Cole very well. They'd be very familiar with what they're getting, and they know he's fine mentally in New York. And there is no competition on the open market for him (probably the biggest plus) to just add the year. If you let him walk you could miss out on all the other top options. I think unless the Yankees are secretly very worried about Cole's health/elbow/age they will just give him the extra year. Flaherty and Snell are walking injuries waiting to implode at a moment’s notice. I agree that Burnes and Fried could be near to Cole replacement-level. Keep Cole, grab one of Burnes or Fried (bye, Soto), and call it a job well done…. I like Snell because he has a habit of being white hot in the second half of the season. I wish they would have tried to trade for him this year at the deadline. He does have a tendency to miss a few starts every year during the regular season, but he hasn't lost a step. He's still a dominant strikeout machine once he gets in to a groove. Flaherty is more dicey. He doesn't have the track record the others do. But he's the youngest of the bunch, and might take the cheapest and shortest contract to sign due to the shorter track record. They almost traded for him, so they like him. But then again they supposedly backed out over concerns from his physical. I think if they keep Cole and lose Soto they should try to lengthen the lineup as the top priority. Barring any trades, they'd still be bringing back Cole, Rodon, Gil, Schmidt, Nestor and Stroman. I would want an OF with some pop who could let Judge move back to RF, so maybe Santander. Let Dominguez play CF. And someone to fill the offensive void at 1b - maybe Walker. You could probably get Santander and Walker combined for less than what Soto will get annually. If they could manage to move Stroman somehow then I would think they could go for another SP as well. Even the second tier of FAs has some interesting arms like Manea, Kikuchi (especially if his Astro incarnation was for real), Buehler, Boyd, even Eovaldi if he opts out. Lots of choices out there that I'd take over Stro. |
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Post by inger on Nov 2, 2024 12:20:12 GMT -5
We'll know by Monday what the Yanks do with Cole. Good. This deserves a quick decision. It’s not like it’s a surprise, they’ve had months to ponder it. If they let him go, I’ll be pissed… |
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Post by inger on Nov 2, 2024 12:23:33 GMT -5
Flaherty and Snell are walking injuries waiting to implode at a moment’s notice. I agree that Burnes and Fried could be near to Cole replacement-level. Keep Cole, grab one of Burnes or Fried (bye, Soto), and call it a job well done…. I like Snell because he has a habit of being white hot in the second half of the season. I wish they would have tried to trade for him this year at the deadline. He does have a tendency to miss a few starts every year during the regular season, but he hasn't lost a step. He's still a dominant strikeout machine once he gets in to a groove. Flaherty is more dicey. He doesn't have the track record the others do. But he's the youngest of the bunch, and might take the cheapest and shortest contract to sign due to the shorter track record. They almost traded for him, so they like him. But then again they supposedly backed out over concerns from his physical. I think if they keep Cole and lose Soto they should try to lengthen the lineup as the top priority. Barring any trades, they'd still be bringing back Cole, Rodon, Gil, Schmidt, Nestor and Stroman. I would want an OF with some pop who could let Judge move back to RF, so maybe Santander. Let Dominguez play CF. And someone to fill the offensive void at 1b - maybe Walker. You could probably get Santander and Walker combined for less than what Soto will get annually. If they could manage to move Stroman somehow then I would think they could go for another SP as well. Even the second tier of FAs has some interesting arms like Manea, Kikuchi (especially if his Astro incarnation was for real), Buehler, Boyd, even Eovaldi if he opts out. Lots of choices out there that I'd take over Stro. If we keep Soto, much of your wish list will be scrapped. Santander is a RF lacking the range to play LF in Yankee Stadium. I like him, but not enough to force Judge back to CF… |
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