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Post by 1955nyyfan on Nov 5, 2024 10:04:54 GMT -5
Signing Cole when they originally did was a no brainer and it is again now. No reason for Cashman to take a bow, he would have been a fool not too either time. It seems like the more this story has developed that Cashman/Hal played chicken with Cole and won. Cole tried for the extra year, the Yankees said "nope" and let the clock run. Rather than hit the open market Cole decided to rescind the opt out and stay. So in effect they avoided being tied to him for 36 million when he's 38 years old. Seems like a win for the Yankees. I could see giving him another year+ if the deal was restructured to count for less against the luxury tax, but as quotes came out after the fact from Cashman it doesn't sound like they're going to do that. Did Cole think his value on the open market wasn't any better than the remaining 4 years he has left? And/or want to remain a Yankee? Is he worried about what his medicals might show? All good questions Stu. I will tell you that with all the different ways this could have worked out I did not see it playing out like this. Perhaps Cole also remembers how long it took Monty and Snell to get contracts and didn't want to go through the same thing. I could be wrong but I think if he opted out he could have got at bigger deal. |
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 5, 2024 10:39:40 GMT -5
It seems like the more this story has developed that Cashman/Hal played chicken with Cole and won. Cole tried for the extra year, the Yankees said "nope" and let the clock run. Rather than hit the open market Cole decided to rescind the opt out and stay. So in effect they avoided being tied to him for 36 million when he's 38 years old. Seems like a win for the Yankees. I could see giving him another year+ if the deal was restructured to count for less against the luxury tax, but as quotes came out after the fact from Cashman it doesn't sound like they're going to do that. Did Cole think his value on the open market wasn't any better than the remaining 4 years he has left? And/or want to remain a Yankee? Is he worried about what his medicals might show? All good questions Stu. I will tell you that with all the different ways this could have worked out I did not see it playing out like this. Perhaps Cole also remembers how long it took Monty and Snell to get contracts and didn't want to go through the same thing. I could be wrong but I think if he opted out he could have got at bigger deal. Maybe Cole could have landed more money elsewhere but would it be with an organization and in a city that he and his wife want to move to? It's a big risk to turn down what you already have with the Yankees. |
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Post by qimqam on Nov 5, 2024 13:19:18 GMT -5
Wow, looks like I was wrong. I thought the original release said negotiations would be held later. If what is being reported is true it appears Cole valued staying in NY more than he did chasing a new contract with possibly more years. Coco looks like you called it. 1955, my personal guess is that it was Boras who most likely suggested to Cole to opt out, to see if the Yankees would jump immediately and add on the 5th yr at an extra $36 million. When the clock kept ticking, and they didn't hear anything from Yankee management, Cole probably thought twice about his move, and he decided to backtrack. Let's face it, Cole is already rich with his Yankees contract, but there comes a time in an athlete's career when after they've already made the money they wanted, their pride kicks in, and they look for personal satisfaction in their career. Since the Yankees came close this year to winning it all, I'm sure Cole still hungers for that elusive championship ring that he's missed out on twice already...once with the Astros, and now with the team he always wanted to play for, the Yankees. Somehow, I feel if the Yankees had won the World Series this year, that bluff Cole and Boras just tried to pull on the Yankees, might've gone a little further, but hungering for a world championship title, Cole decided to stay put, and keep trying to win it all, on the team he always wanted to play for. Maybe sometimes NOT winning it all can be a pretty good motivation factor! Guessing Cole realized how fucked his elbow is and no other team is going to offer the same kind of money. He bluffed, Yankees didnt take the bait so he suckered the Yankees into taking him back |
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Post by cocopugg on Nov 5, 2024 14:24:34 GMT -5
1955, my personal guess is that it was Boras who most likely suggested to Cole to opt out, to see if the Yankees would jump immediately and add on the 5th yr at an extra $36 million. When the clock kept ticking, and they didn't hear anything from Yankee management, Cole probably thought twice about his move, and he decided to backtrack. Let's face it, Cole is already rich with his Yankees contract, but there comes a time in an athlete's career when after they've already made the money they wanted, their pride kicks in, and they look for personal satisfaction in their career. Since the Yankees came close this year to winning it all, I'm sure Cole still hungers for that elusive championship ring that he's missed out on twice already...once with the Astros, and now with the team he always wanted to play for, the Yankees. Somehow, I feel if the Yankees had won the World Series this year, that bluff Cole and Boras just tried to pull on the Yankees, might've gone a little further, but hungering for a world championship title, Cole decided to stay put, and keep trying to win it all, on the team he always wanted to play for. Maybe sometimes NOT winning it all can be a pretty good motivation factor! Guessing Cole realized how fucked his elbow is and no other team is going to offer the same kind of money. He bluffed, Yankees didnt take the bait so he suckered the Yankees into taking him back I hope the Yankees see this as a "win" for them, which I hope, gives them more of an incentive to go all in to bring Soto back, and then go after Burnes, because a team with 2 aces on their staff, is hard to beat in the post-season!  |
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Post by bumper on Nov 5, 2024 14:42:12 GMT -5
Guessing Cole realized how fucked his elbow is and no other team is going to offer the same kind of money. He bluffed, Yankees didnt take the bait so he suckered the Yankees into taking him back I hope the Yankees see this as a "win" for them, which I hope, gives them more of an incentive to go all in to bring Soto back, and then go after Burnes, because a team with 2 aces on their staff, is hard to beat in the post-season! yes definitely soto, though i don't think adding a year to cole's contract would have effected that. pretty amazing they called his bluff.
yeah the more aces the better. and while you may not like them all, they do have 6 starters for next season. and if they do sign soto, with holes to fill at 1B, 2B/3B, a question mark in LF and needing more BP arms, they're not gonna spend another $35-40 mil on burnes. that's fantasy baseball ...
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 5, 2024 14:43:36 GMT -5
Guessing Cole realized how fucked his elbow is and no other team is going to offer the same kind of money. He bluffed, Yankees didnt take the bait so he suckered the Yankees into taking him back I hope the Yankees see this as a "win" for them, which I hope, gives them more of an incentive to go all in to bring Soto back, and then go after Burnes, because a team with 2 aces on their staff, is hard to beat in the post-season! You better talk Hal into increasing the budget.  |
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Post by rizzuto on Nov 5, 2024 17:23:49 GMT -5
I hope the Yankees see this as a "win" for them, which I hope, gives them more of an incentive to go all in to bring Soto back, and then go after Burnes, because a team with 2 aces on their staff, is hard to beat in the post-season! You better talk Hal into increasing the budget. We don't need to increase the budget, just scream publicly at the players. 2025 World Series is in the bag.  |
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Post by qimqam on Nov 7, 2024 19:53:33 GMT -5
Guessing Cole realized how fucked his elbow is and no other team is going to offer the same kind of money. He bluffed, Yankees didnt take the bait so he suckered the Yankees into taking him back I hope the Yankees see this as a "win" for them, which I hope, gives them more of an incentive to go all in to bring Soto back, and then go after Burnes, because a team with 2 aces on their staff, is hard to beat in the post-season! Apparently Soto is great friends with Gleyber ... I would gladly resign Gleyber if it would keep Soto |
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 7, 2024 21:11:26 GMT -5
I hope the Yankees see this as a "win" for them, which I hope, gives them more of an incentive to go all in to bring Soto back, and then go after Burnes, because a team with 2 aces on their staff, is hard to beat in the post-season! Apparently Soto is great friends with Gleyber ... I would gladly resign Gleyber if it would keep Soto And then give Gleyber a first basemen's mitt for Christmas. |
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