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Post by Max on Nov 4, 2024 16:10:17 GMT -5
Tom Landry was a great coach. When they would show him on TV I couldn't tell if his team was losing by 3 touchdowns or winning by 3 touchdowns. So was Parcells, Bellichick, Andy Reid What's that have to do with a great coach winning without getting emotional on the sidelines?
On the field talent beats showing passion just about every time.
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Post by Max on Nov 4, 2024 16:17:32 GMT -5
I'm guessing all managers get on players throughout the season behind closed doors. No manager worth his salt screams at players in public. DJL - very good career Rizzo - very good career and team leader Cole - HOFer, great playoff numbers Stanton- great career, border line HOFer, great playoff numbers Judge, great career, maybe a HOFer Volpe - very young Soto - maybe the best hitter in baseball, clutch and about to become one of the richest Is your point that these guys would be better if they weren't so "passive". BTW, how do you define that? Throwing helmets, kicking coolers? My point is it took a couple of players with passion and attitude to take a previously emotionless group of players to the next level .... Soto brought in his great talent, Verdugo and Jazz were talented upgrades. Donaldson was a passionate player, which meant nothing because his best playing years were behind him. I don't see any of that changing if Boone decided to yell at his players and embarrass them on the field/in public. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Nov 4, 2024 16:24:21 GMT -5
I hear what you are saying Max and I think we agree on the larger point but I think Rizzuto hit on somthing when he said and I'm paraphrasing that we often mistake tantrums for passion. I would guess that a very large number of successful athletes have passion for the sport they play or they wouldn't be successful. Not everyone shows it the same way. I forget what playoff game it was where Rodon was pitching. He struck out three batters in the first inning and after each out he was very demonstrative, so much so I commented to my wife I thought he'd be out of the game by the 3rd inning. I guess some will say he was passionate, maybe even more passionate than Cole who rarely shows emotion on the mound, but I'd bet against it.
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Post by qimqam on Nov 4, 2024 16:53:36 GMT -5
My point is it took a couple of players with passion and attitude to take a previously emotionless group of players to the next level .... Soto brought in his great talent, Verdugo and Jazz were talented upgrades. Donaldson was a passionate player, which meant nothing because his best playing years were behind him. I don't see any of that changing if Boone decided to yell at his players and embarrass them on the field/in public. They did a pretty good job of embarrassing themselves ... Boone could only have saved them some embarrassment if he intervened |
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Post by qimqam on Nov 4, 2024 16:54:44 GMT -5
So was Parcells, Bellichick, Andy Reid What's that have to do with a great coach winning without getting emotional on the sidelines?
On the field talent beats passion just about every time.
Talent and Passion trump both ... no pun intended! |
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Post by inger on Nov 4, 2024 17:20:30 GMT -5
What's that have to do with a great coach winning without getting emotional on the sidelines?
On the field talent beats passion just about every time.
Talent and Passion trump both ... no pun intended! I did every sport I ever did with passion, my jobs too. But I was known for being calm and patient. I guess it’s the outward appearance of passion you’re looking for qimqam. Maybe I just don’t fully understand what you want to see… |
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Post by rizzuto on Nov 4, 2024 17:28:26 GMT -5
I hear what you are saying Max and I think we agree on the larger point but I think Rizzuto hit on somthing when he said and I'm paraphrasing that we often mistake tantrums for passion. I would guess that a very large number of successful athletes have passion for the sport they play or they wouldn't be successful. Not everyone shows it the same way. I forget what playoff game it was where Rodon was pitching. He struck out three batters in the first inning and after each out he was very demonstrative, so much so I commented to my wife I thought he'd be out of the game by the 3rd inning. I guess some will say he was passionate, maybe even more passionate than Cole who rarely shows emotion on the mound, but I'd bet against it. Rodon followed that emotional flame-out with arguably his best performance in two years, stating he decided to emulate Gerrit Cole, practicing focus and self-control on the mound. |
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Post by Max on Nov 4, 2024 17:28:32 GMT -5
I hear what you are saying Max and I think we agree on the larger point but I think Rizzuto hit on somthing when he said and I'm paraphrasing that we often mistake tantrums for passion. I would guess that a very large number of successful athletes have passion for the sport they play or they wouldn't be successful. Not everyone shows it the same way. I forget what playoff game it was where Rodon was pitching. He struck out three batters in the first inning and after each out he was very demonstrative, so much so I commented to my wife I thought he'd be out of the game by the 3rd inning. I guess some will say he was passionate, maybe even more passionate than Cole who rarely shows emotion on the mound, but I'd bet against it.
There have been great players, managers, that showed passion on the field and there have been great players, managers, that didn't show passion on the field. Just my opinion, but it comes down to talent.
Also in my opinion, the fastest way for a manager to lose the respect of his players and therefore lose his clubhouse is to yell at them or embarrass them in public.
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Post by qimqam on Nov 4, 2024 18:12:29 GMT -5
I hear what you are saying Max and I think we agree on the larger point but I think Rizzuto hit on somthing when he said and I'm paraphrasing that we often mistake tantrums for passion. I would guess that a very large number of successful athletes have passion for the sport they play or they wouldn't be successful. Not everyone shows it the same way. I forget what playoff game it was where Rodon was pitching. He struck out three batters in the first inning and after each out he was very demonstrative, so much so I commented to my wife I thought he'd be out of the game by the 3rd inning. I guess some will say he was passionate, maybe even more passionate than Cole who rarely shows emotion on the mound, but I'd bet against it.
There have been great players, managers, that showed passion on the field and there have been great players, managers, that didn't show passion on the field. Just my opinion, but it comes down to talent.
Also in my opinion, the fastest way for a manager to lose the respect of his players and therefore lose his clubhouse is to yell at them or embarrass them in public.
Agreed with the first line ... but sometimes players need a good kick in the ass Disagree with the 2nd line ... usally the player that gets called out either steps up or steps out |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Nov 5, 2024 12:36:11 GMT -5
So, I read an interesting article on Anthony Richardson in which it said he was passionate, but some insiders felt he lacked the intensity to be great. The article eluded to the fact he was demonstrative but it was unclear if he had the work ethic or drive to be great. Got me to thinking, is passion and intensity different? I'm not an english major as you can tell from my posts, but I think so and maybe that is what I want in ballplayers.
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Post by rizzuto on Nov 5, 2024 15:01:33 GMT -5
So, I read an interesting article on Anthony Richardson in which it said he was passionate, but some insiders felt he lacked the intensity to be great. The article eluded to the fact he was demonstrative but it was unclear if he had the work ethic or drive to be great. Got me to thinking, is passion and intensity different? I'm not an english major as you can tell from my posts, but I think so and maybe that is what I want in ballplayers. As John Wooden said, “There is a distinct difference between activity and achievement.” Lots of loud mouth athletes who jog to first base. Verdugo even opted to carry his bat at times, seemingly to reduce his steps retrieving it. |
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Post by inger on Nov 5, 2024 15:27:54 GMT -5
Honestly, screaming managers in life or sport have always reduced my motivation and made me want to strike back. F’em…
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Post by cocopugg on Nov 5, 2024 15:39:28 GMT -5
Are there any managers that scream at players these days, or over the past decade? Unfortunately, Hal will not try to get a manager like that. Unlike his father, he does not care even if the Yankees finish 0-162. What really has angered me over the past few years was how he let his guys get away with smiling when they were not doing the jobs he was paying them to do. He could have kept that money for himself, especially if he wanted more money for himself. I will stick by the Yankees, and I may sound crazy, but this makes me wish I was a fan of one of the small market teams. Their owners may be as cheap and greedy as Hal, maybe even more so, but at least the players don't get paid much! Even if they are not good, I almost know they're showing heart, soul, and desire to win; they can't laugh all the way to the bank if they lose. I wonder what kind of language is "spoken" during today's MLB "arguments" between an umpire and manager? Does it ever get this heated up? And why aren't there any microphones picking up the dialogue in today's baseball heated exchanges, like there were back in the 1970s and 80's?
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Nov 5, 2024 17:32:12 GMT -5
Are there any managers that scream at players these days, or over the past decade? Unfortunately, Hal will not try to get a manager like that. Unlike his father, he does not care even if the Yankees finish 0-162. What really has angered me over the past few years was how he let his guys get away with smiling when they were not doing the jobs he was paying them to do. He could have kept that money for himself, especially if he wanted more money for himself. I will stick by the Yankees, and I may sound crazy, but this makes me wish I was a fan of one of the small market teams. Their owners may be as cheap and greedy as Hal, maybe even more so, but at least the players don't get paid much! Even if they are not good, I almost know they're showing heart, soul, and desire to win; they can't laugh all the way to the bank if they lose. I wonder what kind of language is "spoken" during today's MLB "arguments" between an umpire and manager? Does it ever get this heated up? And why aren't there any microphones picking up the dialogue in today's baseball heated exchanges, like there were back in the 1970s and 80's?
Surprised more fans don't love Boone, he may not scream at players enough but he has had more than his fair share of run ins with the men in blue during his tenure as Yankee skipper. |
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Post by Max on Nov 5, 2024 17:42:48 GMT -5
There have been great players, managers, that showed passion on the field and there have been great players, managers, that didn't show passion on the field. Just my opinion, but it comes down to talent.
Also in my opinion, the fastest way for a manager to lose the respect of his players and therefore lose his clubhouse is to yell at them or embarrass them in public.
Agreed with the first line ... but sometimes players need a good kick in the ass Disagree with the 2nd line ... usally the player that gets called out either steps up or steps out I could be wrong because my memory isn't what it used to be. But, I don't remember any player stepping up because their manager called them out in public. |
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