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Post by domeplease on Sept 29, 2018 11:46:44 GMT -5
WELL, Well, Well...As Gomer Pyle used to say: "SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE."
I would have preferred at least 2-weeks, if not 4-weeks of investigation.
However, BEGGERS cannot be choosy. I trust the FBI, as long as they are allowed to follow where their investigation takes/leads them...
If Kav, is innocent; he should see this ONLY as a Temporary Delay.
If he is guilty of some or all, he should be praying that Mark Judge doesn't suddenly find Jesus and begins spewing out details.
But, there is more to this Saga, then meets the eye: Maryland is ready to do a Full Investigation into these allegations (see second article).
So, once again, if I was Kav, I would be thinking real deeply, "Am I innocent of all these allegations or just some?"
The Clock is Ticking for all us, but especially for Kav...in regards to this saga.
Some of the Posts and what Some of You stated in these Posts, still has be baffled and shaking my head in disbelief, Dismay...in fact some really depressed me.
--09-29-18 MY NEW HERO'S, Along with FORD & FLAKE: www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/%e2%80%98i-was-demanding-a-connection%e2%80%99-ana-maria-archila-reflects-on-confronting-jeff-flake-over-kavanaugh-nomination/ar-BBNGP9N?li=BBnb7Kz
Ana Maria Archila had never told her father that she was sexually abused as a child.
But after she confronted a U.S. senator about President Trump’s Supreme Court nominee and the video started going viral, she thought it was time to share her story.
“I always carried the fear that my parents would feel that they had failed in taking care of me if I told them,” Archila said Friday night in a phone interview with The Washington Post.
“Today I texted my father and I said, ‘You’re going to hear something that we haven’t talked about, and I want you to know that I’m okay,’ ” she said.
The encounter on Friday morning between Archila, a second woman and Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) has already become an iconic moment in the debate over Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh’s nomination to the Supreme Court.
With a CNN camera behind them broadcasting live, Archila and Maria Gallagher blocked the doors of an elevator for about five minutes in an effort to confront Flake about his just-announced support for Kavanaugh, who is facing several allegations of sexual misconduct.
Both Archila and Gallagher described themselves as survivors of sexual assault, making tearful and impassioned pleas for Flake to reconsider his position.
“I was sexually assaulted and nobody believed me,” Gallagher said. “I didn’t tell anyone, and you’re telling all women that they don’t matter, that they should just stay quiet, because if they tell you what happened to them you are going to ignore them.”
“What you are doing is allowing someone who actually violated a woman to sit on the Supreme Court,” Archila said.
Flake looked on quietly, thanked the women and said he had to get to a hearing of the Senate Judiciary Committee, which was scheduled to vote at 9:30 a.m. on Kavanaugh’s nomination.
That vote was later delayed as Flake and Sen. Christopher A. Coons (D-Del.) worked on a deal to allow one week for the FBI to investigate the claims against Kavanaugh, which the judge has vehemently denied. Only then would the Senate be able to move forward with final votes on the nomination.
The deal was announced in the midafternoon and was praised as a victory for Democrats, who had spent much of the previous day calling for an FBI investigation.
And within hours, Archila and Gallagher were flooded with requests for interviews about their role in the day’s events.
Archila, a 39-year-old native of Colombia, is co-executive director of the Center for Popular Democracy, a progressive advocacy organization in New York.
But she stressed that experience as an activist does not matter in situations like her confrontation with Flake.
“The people who have been coming to Washington, D.C., are not people who have been activists for 20 years,” Archila said. “Maria was there for the first time. She told her story for the first time. She spoke with an elected official for the first time.”
“People need to know that when they take action, when we take action together, when we force our electeds to listen to our stories, that’s how we actually change this country. ... That struggle looks like this: regular people doing really scary things, things that make them cry, that sometimes scare their families,” Archila said.
Later in the day, Trump ordered the FBI to reopen its investigation into Kavanaugh’s background and the Senate, by voice vote, took an initial step to move ahead with the nomination.
If there are no major revelations from the FBI, the Senate could hold final votes on Kavanaugh next weekend. And at that time, Flake could vote “yes.”
Archila said she believes the confrontation affected him.
“We really had decided that [Flake] had to listen to us. ... I was demanding a connection, demanding that he look at us, demanding that he give us real answers,” she said.
“I feel like in that forceful demand, he was called to examine his position again. ... He heard something that provoked turmoil in him,” she said. READ MORE...
--09-29-18: www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/maryland-authorities-say-theyll-investigate-kavanaugh-%e2%80%94-if-a-victim-files-a-complaint/ar-BBNH2r9?li=BBnb7Kz
Authorities in Maryland on Friday said they were prepared to conduct a state-level criminal investigation into sexual assault allegations against Judge Brett Kavanaugh — provided that a victim comes forward.
The disclosure by Montgomery County Police Chief J. Thomas Manger and Montgomery County State’s Attorney John McCarthy came Friday, the same day that President Trump ordered the FBI to conduct a limited "supplemental" investigation.
But Manger and McCarthy noted that prosecution was unlikely in Maryland because authorities would have to apply the law that existed at the time of the offense, not the law that exists now, Baltimore's FOX 45 News reported.
“For example, in 1982, assault and attempted rape were both misdemeanors and subject to a one-year statute of limitations,” they wrote.
But they added: “The Montgomery County Police Department and the Montgomery County State’s Attorney’s Office stand ready to investigate any sexual assault allegation from any victim where the incident occurred in our jurisdiction.”
They said a victim would have to file a complaint to trigger an inquiry, the Baltimore Sun reported.
“To date, there have been no criminal reports filed with the Montgomery County Department of Police that would lead to the initiation of any criminal investigation related to Judge Kavanaugh,” they wrote.
Earlier this week, a group of Maryland lawmakers, all Democrats, called for the state to conduct its own criminal investigation into decades-old sexual assault allegations against Kavanaugh, Trump's pick to fill the U.S. Supreme Court seat vacated by the retired Associate Justice Anthony Kennedy.
In their letter Tuesday, the Democrats said they were writing to “express our concern about the need for an investigation into recent high-profile allegations of sex assault in our county. ...
We believe local law enforcement has the authority to investigate allegations of crimes without need for a formal complaint, and we further believe third parties have standing to bring such complaints.” READ MORE…
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Post by inger on Sept 29, 2018 13:44:30 GMT -5
The FBI investigation is a waste of time and more of a stall tactic than anything...Wait til you see that this is garbage...A week to go back thirty years and make discoveries that the accuser herself can’t recall...
Hey, do any of you all remember something happening somewhere at sometime? We were just wondering if any teenaged boys were trying to get in any teenage girls pants in this general area of the country back then...Bear in mind that we don’t care if the girls themselves were horny, because we’ve been told that never happens, and they never drink voluntarily. Boys must force them to do that...Also, did any of them look like they might have aged to look somewhat like Judge Kavanaugh? Even if you didn’t know their names back then, mind you.. We’re not particicular about specific IDs, just what they might have looked like the next time you saw them many, many years later...
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Post by domeplease on Sept 29, 2018 14:31:20 GMT -5
The FBI investigation is a waste of time and more of a stall tactic than anything...Wait til you see that this is garbage...A week to go back thirty years and make discoveries that the accuser herself can’t recall... Hey, do any of you all remember something happening somewhere at sometime? We were just wondering if any teenaged boys were trying to get in any teenage girls pants in this general area of the country back then...Bear in mind that we don’t care if the girls themselves were horny, because we’ve been told that never happens, and they never drink voluntarily. Boys must force them to do that...Also, did any of them look like they might have aged to look somewhat like Judge Kavanaugh? Even if you didn’t know their names back then, mind you.. We’re not particicular about specific IDs, just what they might have looked like the next time you saw them many, many years later... Again, I am Shocked & Disgusted with the above Post. However, each to their Own____________________. |
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Post by inger on Sept 29, 2018 14:39:33 GMT -5
I specifically posted that in response to your previous statement of shock and disgust in order to provide additional fodder to your low threshold for posts of a sexual and realistic nature...I’m assuming that despite your now free and easy nature towards casual sex and entertainment via chemicals and liquid substances that you spent your teenage years completely chaste and sober, always respectful of the young girls desires to remain chaste themselves...Never kissed a girl that might have tasted alcohol before offering herself to you at a party, right?...
I do feel compelled to remind you that my major objection to all of this is the assumption of guilt in response to the allegations, completely absent of proof and along poloitical lines...
Human beings, even when children have urges that they seek to satisfy, both boys and girls...Not all girls remain chaste until after 18...
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Sept 29, 2018 18:44:30 GMT -5
Holding a 15 year old girl down on a bed and smothering her with his hand while his buddy cheers/ laughs is fortunately something neither you, mich or I have experience in. No one else has any evidence that Brett Kavanaugh has any experience in this either. But please keep gaslighting. |
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Post by inger on Sept 29, 2018 18:58:54 GMT -5
Holding a 15 year old girl down on a bed and smothering her with his hand while his buddy cheers/ laughs is fortunately something neither you, mich or I have experience in. No one else has any evidence that Brett Kavanaugh has any experience in this either. But please keep gaslighting. I’m looking to verify this: An 83-year old fellow told me today that Ford stated that during the alleged attack she had no idea who the attacker was, and that it was years later when she happened to either see Kavanaugh or meet him that she “immediately knew” that he was the same person who had attacked her. Mich, have you heard or read that anywhere?... |
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Sept 29, 2018 19:12:59 GMT -5
No one else has any evidence that Brett Kavanaugh has any experience in this either. But please keep gaslighting. I’m looking to verify this: An 83-year old fellow told me today that Ford stated that during the alleged attack she had no idea who the attacker was, and that it was years later when she happened to either see Kavanaugh or meet him that she “immediately knew” that he was the same person who had attacked her. Mich, have you heard or read that anywhere?... That does not sound right to me inger. Havent seen that anywhere so I wont lend it any validity. |
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Post by inger on Sept 29, 2018 19:59:22 GMT -5
Thanks. It was new to me, too. I wondered if I had missed anything. Those who are too fervent in their belief in either side will tend to exaggerate...That is what I took it for, but wanted to see if you knew...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 22:42:05 GMT -5
It’s going to be interesting in November to see which group wins, #MeToo or WMA (white male anger). Also, which if any of these blocs are sustainable going forward.
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Post by rizzuto on Sept 30, 2018 9:33:20 GMT -5
No one else has any evidence that Brett Kavanaugh has any experience in this either. But please keep gaslighting. I’m looking to verify this: An 83-year old fellow told me today that Ford stated that during the alleged attack she had no idea who the attacker was, and that it was years later when she happened to either see Kavanaugh or meet him that she “immediately knew” that he was the same person who had attacked her. Mich, have you heard or read that anywhere?... I read that somewhere, or something to that effect...but I don't believe everything I read though. |
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Post by domeplease on Sept 30, 2018 13:20:13 GMT -5
Holding a 15 year old girl down on a bed and smothering her with his hand while his buddy cheers/ laughs is fortunately something neither you, mich or I have experience in. Bottom line with the Trumpers is that they would take a sexual predator as a SC justice over a moderate or Kennedy type justice any day and twice on Sunday because they will always vote to overturn Roe, limit the rights of LBGT citizens and allow the free flow of guns and ammo to whoever desires them no matter the consequences. White males, especially old guys like us are the backbone of this movement. Without a 60-40 or better split going forward with this demographic, their party is over. The sooner the better. CHUCK: YOU NAILED IT HERE!!! For Decades it has been a Claw stuck in my Throat, that OLD WHITE MEN can determine what a Woman can & CANNOT do with their bodies; it is beyond disgusting and NOT RIGHT.
Imagine, just for a second, IF group of Old White Women determine what MEN could/could not do with their bodies = The American Male Species would revolt.
In the last 30-hours or so I have spoken with 17 Women Living in America that normally vote for the GOP; Ten told me this Mid-Term they are Voting Blue (they have had it with the GOP); three said they are still undecided and four said they would still vote RED (religious, etc. reasons).
I truly believe, this whole thing will push even more women to go BLUE, this November.
PLUS you are RIGHT, If one just goes by the numbers & demographics the GOP is dying and doing so quickly and will lose more & more power every year = THERE IS A GOD!!!
04-18-18: www.cdc.gov/features/sexualviolence/index.html How Prevalent Sex assaults are in America The Great…
Sexual violence is a serious public health problem that affects millions of women and men.
In the United States, 1 in 3 women and 1 in 6 men have experienced sexual violence involving physical contact at some point in their lives.
Statistics underestimate the problem because many victims do not tell the police, family, or friends about the violence.
CDC’s goal is to stop sexual violence before it begins.
Understanding Sexual Violence
Sexual violence is any sexual activity where consent is not freely given. This includes completed or attempted sex acts that are against the victim’s will or involve a victim who is unable to consent through use of force or alcohol/drug facilitation.
Group of women
If you are or someone you know is a victim of sexual violence, contact the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network: 1-800-656-HOPE.
Other forms of sexual violence are:
•Non-physically pressured unwanted sex
•Unwanted sexual contact (intentional sexual touching), or
•Non-contact, unwanted sexual experiences (such as verbal sexual harassment)
Please see our Sexual Violence Definitions webpage for more detailed information about the sexual violence types and their definitions.
Sexual violence can be committed by anyone:
•A current or former intimate partner
•A family member
•A person in position of power or trust
•A friend or acquaintance
•A stranger, or someone known only by sight
Sexual violence impacts health in many ways and can lead to long-term physical and mental health problems.
For example, victims may experience chronic pain, headaches, and sexually transmitted diseases.
They are often fearful or anxious and may have problems trusting others. Anger and stress can lead to eating disorders, depression, and even suicidal thoughts.
09-29-18 IMPORTANT & A MUST READ: heavy.com/news/2018/09/can-supreme-court-justice-be-removed/ Hopefully, I pray that OUR Country will never have to Impeach a SCJ...but YOU never know.
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Post by domeplease on Oct 1, 2018 13:12:53 GMT -5
MORE ON: “HERE COMES THE JUDGE…”
***10-01-18 FROM THE SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center) = If any of you have doubts about KAV, please call these Senators (see below):
Christine Blasey Ford's testimony last week was not simply credible, it was compelling. From Brett Kavanaugh, we heard repeated lies.
He lied about making disparaging references to teenage girls in his high school yearbook.
He lied when he tried to minimize his history of heavy drinking.
Earlier, he almost certainly lied when he denied having access to files that were obviously stolen from Democratic senators when he worked in the Bush administration.
His lies and his temperament — screaming at senators about a wide-ranging conspiracy against him — prove that he has absolutely no business on the Supreme Court of the United States.
This week, the fate of the Supreme Court apparently rests on a handful of senators whose votes are not yet known. Here is their contact information:
Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME)
Phone: (202) 224-2523
Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ)
Phone: (202) 224-4521
Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV)
Phone: (202) 224-3954
Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Phone: (202) 224-6665
Please call them and let them know that lying is not acceptable for a Supreme Court justice. Urge them to vote “no” on Kavanaugh’s nomination.
Also, please share this email with your friends, and urge them to join us in opposing Kavanaugh’s confirmation. Much depends on what we do in the next few days.
--10-01-18: www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/yale-classmate-accuses-kavanaugh-of-%e2%80%98blatant-mischaracterization%e2%80%99-of-his-drinking/ar-BBNLwzp?ocid=U147DHP
WASHINGTON — A Yale classmate of Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh’s accused him on Sunday of a “blatant mischaracterization” of his drinking while in college, saying that he often saw Judge Kavanaugh “staggering from alcohol consumption.”
The classmate, Chad Ludington, who said he frequently socialized with Judge Kavanaugh as a student, said in a statement that the judge had been untruthful in testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee when he had denied any possibility that he had ever blacked out from drinking.
Mr. Ludington said that Judge Kavanaugh had played down “the degree and frequency” of his drinking, and that the judge had often become “belligerent and aggressive” while intoxicated. Other former classmates have made similar claims.
“It is truth that is at stake, and I believe that the ability to speak the truth, even when it does not reflect well upon oneself, is a paramount quality we seek in our nation’s most powerful judges,” Mr. Ludington said, adding that he planned to “take my information to the F.B.I.”
Mr. Ludington, a professor at North Carolina State University who appears to have made small political contributions to Democratic candidates, said to The New York Times on Sunday that he had been told by the F.B.I.’s Washington, D.C., field office that he should go to the bureau’s Raleigh, N.C., office on Monday morning.
He said he intended to do that, so he could “tell the full details of my story.”
It is illegal to lie to Congress. But it was unclear whether the F.B.I. would add Mr. Ludington’s accusations to the newly reopened background investigation into allegations of sexual misconduct against Judge Kavanaugh, which has been limited in scope and time by the White House and Senate Republicans.
But as Democrats tried to sound alarms that the White House may be constraining the F.B.I.’s work, one key member of the party indicated that if the Democrats won control of the House in November and Judge Kavanaugh made it through the Senate, he would have no choice but to more fully investigate the claims against him.
“If he is on the Supreme Court and the Senate hasn’t investigated, the House will have to,” the lawmaker, Representative Jerrold Nadler of New York, the top Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, said on “This Week.” “We would have to investigate any credible allegations, certainly of perjury and other things that haven’t been properly looked into before.”
The Judiciary Committee is the body where impeachment inquiries for judges and other officials begin, and with the Democrats favorites to retake the House in November, Mr. Nadler could well be the panel’s chairman come January.
“We can’t have a justice on the Supreme Court for the next several decades who will be deciding questions of liberty, and life and death, and all kinds of things for the entire American people who has been credibly accused of sexual assaults, who has been credibly accused of various other things that — wrong things, including perjury,” Mr. Nadler said. READ MORE…
-10-01-18: www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fight-over-kavanaugh-intensifies-amid-confusion-over-limits-of-fbi-sexual-assault-investigation/ar-BBNKxho?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U147DHP
The FBI investigation meant to defuse the explosive conflict over Supreme Court nominee Brett M. Kavanaugh sparked a new round of partisan combat Sunday, as the White House appeared to retain sharp limits on the probe even as President Trump and Republican officials publicly suggested otherwise.
Two Trump administration officials said Sunday that the White House had not placed any limits on the FBI investigation into claims of sexual assault leveled against Kavanaugh but was also opposed to a “fishing expedition” that could take a broader look at Kavanaugh’s credibility and behavior.
The statements, made by press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders and presidential counselor Kellyanne Conway in television interviews, followed reports that federal investigators are pursuing allegations made by two women but not a third, Julie Swetnick, who signed a sworn affidavit accusing Kavanaugh of sexually aggressive behavior and being present at parties where gang rapes occurred.
Trump himself tweeted late Saturday that he wanted FBI agents “to interview whoever they deem appropriate, at their discretion.”
But a senior U.S. official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to describe internal conversations, confirmed Sunday that Swetnick is not expected to be interviewed and said interviews pertaining to the other allegations will be limited to Kavanaugh, the first two accusers and people who have been identified as present for the incidents.
Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, described a similar witness list in TV appearances Sunday.
White House counsel Donald McGahn is most directly involved in guiding the investigation and has been in frequent touch with Republican senators about its scope, the administration official said, adding that the administration is hoping a report could be filed even sooner than the Friday deadline.
Amid the confusion, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (Calif.), the top Democrat on the committee, wrote to McGahn and FBI Director Christopher A. Wray on Sunday asking for a copy of any “written directive” sent to investigators.
Other Democrats warned over the weekend against too many limits on the purview of the investigation.
“They ought to be doing multiple investigations at the same time,” Sen. Christopher A. Coons (D-Del.), a Judiciary Committee member, said in an MSNBC interview Saturday.
“There are multiple allegations currently in front of the committee, and I think it is not hard to figure out the universe of witnesses. It is not 500. It may not be 50. But it has to be more than five.”
White House spokesman Raj Shah said Sunday that Democrats are “merely attempting to further delay and politicize” the investigation.
And Trump, in a shift in tone from the night before, tweeted Sunday afternoon that Democrats are “are starting to put out the word that the ‘time’ and ‘scope’ of FBI looking into Judge Kavanaugh and witnesses is not enough. Hello! For them, it will never be enough — stay tuned and watch!”
The squabbling added to the swirl of public confusion over the parameters of the FBI inquiry and who is setting them. The order to the FBI was signed by Trump but has not been made public. White House officials have sought to lay responsibility for the details on either the Senate or the FBI.
The president’s Saturday tweet also sparked confusion in the FBI, which had previously been told to conduct only a limited investigation of particular allegations, a person familiar with the matter said. It was unclear Sunday whether there had been more communications between the White House and the FBI clarifying what agents should look into.
The only official description of parameters has come from Judiciary Committee Chairman Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa), who said Friday that the FBI investigation would be no more than a week long and would be limited solely to “current credible allegations” against Kavanaugh.
Grassley and other senators have provided few other specifics, and a committee spokesman declined to comment after Trump’s tweet Saturday endorsing a broader approach.
A spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) also declined to provide more information Sunday about the inquiry’s boundaries, though McConnell’s office circulated materials seeking to undermine Swetnick’s credibility.
Sanders said on “Fox News Sunday” that the White House is “not micromanaging this process” but also said an investigation into Swetnick’s claims and whether Kavanaugh may have misled lawmakers in his Senate testimony would not be acceptable. READ MORE…
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 2, 2018 8:52:44 GMT -5
A question for everyone, and this is not a veiled attempt at trolling:
If one were to suspend all suspicion of guilt, and base an overall impression merely from the quality and erudition of responses, does Kavanaugh strike anyone else as lacking a top-flight, legal mind?
In my estimation, he's done himself no favors in this regard.
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Oct 2, 2018 9:25:52 GMT -5
A question for everyone, and this is not a veiled attempt at trolling: If one were to suspend all suspicion of guilt, and base an overall impression merely from the quality and erudition of responses, does Kavanaugh strike anyone else as lacking a top-flight, legal mind? In my estimation, he's done himself no favors in this regard. Nothing suggests this at all, Rizzuto. He has a robust judicial record from nearly a decade and a half on the bench while also receiving the highest rating from the Bar. Thursday's testimony (which I assume you are referring to) was not that of a judge discussing his judicial philosophy or record while "interviewing for a job" (the ridiculous line being used by Leftist partisans)...it was a man fighting in defense of his life, family, and honor. There is a reason that judge's recuse themselves from some cases...because they arent robots devoid of emotion and personal stakes, nor are they expected to be. But anyone who cannot decouple the man's record as a judge (and directly testimony related to that record) and his reaction in the face of heinous accusations, must have an agenda. |
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Post by inger on Oct 2, 2018 11:01:35 GMT -5
A question for everyone, and this is not a veiled attempt at trolling: If one were to suspend all suspicion of guilt, and base an overall impression merely from the quality and erudition of responses, does Kavanaugh strike anyone else as lacking a top-flight, legal mind? In my estimation, he's done himself no favors in this regard. Nothing suggests this at all, Rizzuto. He has a robust judicial record from nearly a decade and a half on the bench while also receiving the highest rating from the Bar. Thursday's testimony (which I assume you are referring to) was not that of a judge discussing his judicial philosophy or record while "interviewing for a job" (the ridiculous line being used by Leftist partisans)...it was a man fighting in defense of his life, family, and honor. There is a reason that judge's recuse themselves from some cases...because they arent robots devoid of emotion and personal stakes, nor are they expected to be. But anyone who cannot decouple the man's record as a judge (and directly testimony related to that record) and his reaction in the face of heinous accusations, must have an agenda. I'd say he's a in position that makes it extremely difficult to make a good impression. Bacon is nice and calm before you put it in the frying pan, too...What he's going through, in particular if he's telling the truth and these allegations are completely false, is much like being tortured into making a confession... I still can't get over the fact that his consumption of alcohol as a teen and college student is being made to be such a big deal...But of course they have to make him appear to have been out of control to suit the agenda. As for trying to get in young girl's pants at that age, well...yeah...I think we've all been there. Furthermore, there seems to be assumptions that these parties harbored gang rapes, and there is a clear difference between a gang bang and a gang rape...Some girls just like to have fun...What I'd like to know is how the casual observer would know what was going on in the mysterious room if they we not interested in participating...We had more than one girl in my high school class who was known to volunteer herself for such situations. That may be shocking to the virtuous, but it does happen. So if you go in that room, or behind the bushes to "participate" are you a rapist? Of course not...I always liked my special time with my ladies to be private, and I preferred monogamy, but to each their own... |
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