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Post by inger on Oct 29, 2018 11:59:04 GMT -5
Of course, then again...the odds of these things happening to any one random individual are very small. But go ahead and create even more fear and hate by talking this up like we’re all a society of haters and murderers.
If I were to go to Mexico, there are places where I’d surely be safer than others. For the most part, common sense dictates that you stay in clean, well-lit areas and avoid back alleys. Don’t participate in criminal activities, like drug buys. Stay out of seedy bars, etc..
So it’s the same way here in America. Use your head, behave yourself. And by all means, as Dome said, don’t make the small penis sign at people carrying assault weapons (WTF?).
The odds against being a victim of madness are very small. We can’t live our lives in fear of crazy people. We can stay away from their favorite haunts...And then...if you happen to be in the wrong place in ANY COUNTRY in the world...the worst could still happen to you. But don’t give up. Live!!!
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Post by domeplease on Oct 29, 2018 15:42:53 GMT -5
PART THREE:
Yes, THE TRUTH, THE FACTS & REALITY; many times HURT.
Why in the case of Donald: Because if you all accept the truth about Donald (see all his videos & tweets) your beliefs about America and how you were brought up to believe in/about America would be shattered (as mine have).
So, just like the Massive Gun Problem/Mass shootings, etc. we have in America = Where it is NEVER EVER a Gun Control Issue = NEVER; INSTEAD it is always The Mentally ill. That is not the TOTAL Truth, Fact or Reality.
And, now when YOU ALL see his Videos & Read his Tweets where he stocks the FIRES of Hate, Fear & Violence; once again, it is not Donald’s fault in anyway or form = Instead, it is only a few Mentally ill. YEAH RIGHT.
There are Millions of WHITE Americans that for years have been full of rage & anger about their Piss-Poor PLIGHTS IN LIFE.
If they were Truthful with themselves, they would realize that 90% if not more, of the blame for their current conditions is THEIR FAULT…for the Decisions they did or did not make. For the Actions they took or didn’t take.
No Muslim, Mexican, Liberal, Black, Asian etc. told them to drop out of HS or NOT go to College. THAT WAS THEIR DECISION.
No Muslim, Mexican, Liberal, Black, Asian, etc. told them NOT to improve their Education/Skill-Set Levels as times/things were changing. THAT WAS THEIR DECISION. Etc. Etc. Etc.
So because of all this Rage/Anger about their Piss-Poor Plights in Life, combined with their refusal to accept accountability = HATE OF OTHERS…Well, they need someone to blame and it is just not one group they blame; instead it is multiple groups (Stoked with Donald’s Statements)!!!
AND along comes the Compulsive Serial Liar Madman Donald, with a Lighter & A Can Of Kerosene and STOKES their Hate & Stokes Violence (see Donald on videos & read his tweets; they are not fake).
And now, WE have a huge increase in Hate Events/Crimes & worst yet Hate Killings.
No, Donald did not personally commit these Evil, Vile, Disgusting Acts…but he help to Incite his Followers and he Stocked their hatred.
Each day that goes by where these folks REFUSE to increase their Educational/Skill Set Levels, their Anger/Rage just rapidly increases.
Plus, you have Donald as their Role Model (or as some have stated, ‘Their Master’) = So expect only MANY MORE Hate Events/Crimes/Killings.
In addition, they now have Social Media Sites where using an assumed name & many times a fake email, they can Spew their Hate/Rage/Anger with others (Like Minds) just like themselves…one trying to outdo the other (A New Found Tribe).
And, by far they are Uneducated (72% ONLY have a HS Degree and many not even that) = STUPID and/or Ignorant of Facts.
Finally, they are DYING faster than they should be…due to abusive behavior (Smoking, Drinking, Drugs, Etc.), suicides, etc. etc. etc.
As such; they have No Hope & have become Desperate Folks. Desperate Folks do Desperate & Stupid Things. They have NO Hope---so what do they have to lose?
So GO AHEAD and Reach Up YOUR ASSES and pull more Dirty Justifications out claiming Donald has NO Responsibility for any of this & it is ONLY A FEW Mentally ILL Folks that are the problem (Yes, Tequila you can laugh very hard now—for you are smarter than some of these Posters).
AND do not DARE say I am helping to Divide Our ONCE GREAT COUNTRY…instead I am just stating the Truth, the Facts & Reality and it is NOT a Pretty Picture.
I Read, Read, Read…and then I Read even more. Many of you all, should take up READING as your main hobby.
And Yes, I am very CRITICAL of what is happening in America, for I LOVE America. But I am not a Hater, far from it…I do not Hate these folks; instead I just feel Sorry & Pity for them.
What I try to do is to Scream Wolf, Wolf, Wolf; at the Americans that still have their Common Sense Left; that know the difference between the Truth, Facts & Reality; where their Country is more important to them than buying more STUFF, etc. = That our Country is in Dire Straits and only getting worse, etc.
DO ME = “The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naïve and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed then the rest of us when he sees debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.” H.L. Mencken
THE HATERS = “He {the bigot} knows his enemy. And, in the end, it’s the same enemy the bigot has always had: “The idea that things can be different.” –Stephen Eric Bronner
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Post by inger on Oct 29, 2018 18:57:52 GMT -5
Interesting that the quote of Mencken speaks more to what I posted than what you did...I suppose I can point that out to you, I wonder if I’m able to help you re-read it and comprehend it...
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Post by domeplease on Oct 31, 2018 14:13:42 GMT -5
10-31-18: First, please refer to my Prior Post of 10-29-18 = Part Three...
How LIES & SPEWING HATE by The President, His Team, The GOP (Members of Congress), Right-Wing Media Outlets, Right-Wing Extremist Haters (Terrorists is a better term), etc. etc. etc. leads to Violence & Death (just one of so, so, so MANY examples).
AND NO; these folks who are The Purveyors Of HATE & LIES, ARE NOT Mentally ILL (well, if one doesn’t count Donald); instead they know EXACTLY what they are doing…trying to sway others to their Hate/Dark Age Beliefs and or to motivate them to Spread the Hate; Commit Hate Crimes & Destruction; or, Violence/Death; etc. etc. etc.
The SC has ruled if HATE SPEECH leads to injuries of others OR destruction of others' propertry or DEATH, Etc. It is NO LONGER Freedom of Speech.
--10-31-18: www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/how-a-lie-about-george-soros-and-the-migrant-caravan-multiplied-online/ar-BBPa9My?li=BBnb7Kz
This is the life of a lie.
Three weeks ago, a caravan of Hondurans began walking nearly 2,000 miles to the United States. Their ranks grew as they inched north and, along with them, falsehoods grew, too.
But one stands out: a conspiracy theory that liberal billionaire George Soros, a Jewish immigrant, is paying the migrants to make the journey – or even orchestrating it.
Members of Congress and the president’s son both repeated it. Conservative celebrities, too.
It also may have resonated in darker places. Cesar Sayoc, the man charged with mailing pipe bombs to Soros and other prominent critics of President Donald Trump, dwelled at length online about conspiracy theories involving the Hungarian-American philanthropist.
Robert Bowers, charged with killing 11 people worshiping in a Pittsburgh synagogue on Saturday, used his social media accounts to post extensively about the caravan, including circulating an image of refugees in Guatemala purportedly climbing into a truck with a Star of David on the side.
But it began with a handful of posts in the caravan’s early days.
One of the first was from a North Carolina writer who goes by the screen name “lorettatheprole.”
Loretta Malakie has more than 6,000 followers on Twitter, to whom she directs frequent posts about “white genocide,” Jews and the “invading force” approaching the border.
On Oct. 14, Malakie posted a link to an article about the caravan, with a single word of commentary: “Soros.”
That same day, identical posts appeared over the course of 20 minutes in six pro-Trump Facebook groups. Combined, those six groups had 165,000 members.
A user who gave the name Philip Balzano, a Trump supporter from Chicago, wrote to the Trump Train group:
“Here Comes ANOTHER Group of Paid for New Demoncratic Voters Just in Time for the Primaries...
The Financier aka ‘Win at All Costs’ ‘Never Let a Good Crisis Go to Waste’ the Evil George Soros and His 140+ Orgs, Should Be Classified as Terrorist and Terrorist Orgs.”
Malakie declined to comment, though on Twitter she panned the USA TODAY reporter who called her as “evil.” Balzano did not respond to an interview request sent through Facebook.
The Soros theory was not new – it had made the rounds during previous caravans in the spring and again in August.
In fact, one Facebook user posting in October provided as evidence a video of Glenn Beck discussing the spring caravan’s alleged connections to Soros.
This time, though, the theory snowballed, gaining political purchase as the caravan became a flashpoint in the final weeks of a contentious midterm campaign.
“It’s really significant how these memes can go from feverswamp-ish places to be amplified by lawmakers, even the president," said David Carroll, associate professor at The New School's Parsons School of Design in New York.
“From there, the impact on world events can’t be underestimated.”
Lies, of course, are not new either. But social media can turn a breeze into a hurricane. It carried this falsehood to millions with a few taps on a screen.
It also left a distinct trail that makes it possible to follow how lies spread and who told them, a map of their trajectory from the darker corners of the internet to the political mainstream.
USA TODAY followed that path by examining tens of thousands of social media posts on three major mainstream social media sites: Twitter, Facebook and Reddit.
Over the next three days, a few louder social media voices weighed in.
By Oct. 16 – four days after the caravan departed – the combined following of accounts mentioning both Soros and the caravan had reached 2 million, still a pebble in the flood tide of social media. (The total includes some duplicates because people follow more than one account.)
On Twitter, someone with the username “LibertyBell1000” warned about 42,000 followers that Soros had “manufactured yet another immigrant caravan ‘crisis.’ ”
Another, using the name “WhoWolfe,” asked “Anybody else think Soros and the Dirty Dems are behind this?”
More posts spread across Facebook.
Trump supporter Randy Penrod posted in a group called “The Deplorable's,” with about 186,000 members, “Our stable leader just called out the Soros conspired invasion of new Democrat voters in a tweet just moments ago.”
Tap, tap, tap.
It took just one more day for the theory to reach critical mass, breaking through into widespread public consciousness.
The evening of Oct. 17, a Republican member of Congress posted a video on Twitter of what he said was people in Honduras handing out small sums of money to migrants.
“Soros? US-backed NGOs? Time to investigate the source!” he wrote.
Rep. Matt Gaetz would later concede that he was mistaken about where the video was shot (it was Guatemala).
But by then his message had metastasized, spreading far beyond the 153,000 people who follow the north Florida congressman’s tweets.
Conservative commentator Ann Coulter retweeted it to her 2 million followers. So did Sarah Carter, a journalist who’s a frequent guest on Fox News.
Jack Posobiec – a correspondent for conservative cable news television channel One America News Network – got more specific, implying Soros was renting RVs for the migrants.
Posobiec was among the early proponents of “Pizzagate,” a social-media conspiracy that falsely claimed then-candidate Hillary Clinton and other Democrats were running a pedophile sex trafficking ring from the basement of a Washington, D.C., pizzeria.
It drew a man with a gun to Comet Pizza, where he intended to rescue the children.
The next day, even more influential voices repeated it.
One was the president’s son, Donald Trump Jr., who retweeted Gaetz’s post to his 3.1 million followers.
The younger Trump has been actively campaigning for Republicans on television and the campaign trail in the lead up to the midterm elections. A spokesman for Donald Trump Jr. declined to comment.
On Twitter alone, at least 43,000 accounts with a combined 127 million followers carried some message linking Soros to the caravan over those two days; most fanning the conspiracy, a few seeking to knock it down.
On Reddit, where users share and comment on news and memes, the lie exploded.
Five posts in The_Donald subreddit tied Soros to the caravan. Within a week, there would be 10 times more. The_Donald has 675,000 members.
Ten days after the caravan began in Honduras, police started intercepting what appeared to be pipe bombs – PVC tubes packed with what the FBI later called “energetic material,” wrapped with tape and attached to a clock – that had been sent to Soros and other prominent critics of President Trump.
By the time police found the first of those bombs in Soros’ mailbox in Westchester County, New York, the lie about his involvement with the caravan had been posted by 20,000 more users on Twitter – to a combined audience of 117 million – and more weighed in on Facebook, Reddit and other sites.
It was like a runaway train. Unstoppable.
Another member of Congress, Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, said in a Fox News interview that he couldn't “help but think that Democrats, perhaps Soros and others, may be funding this thinking it will help them.”
By then, the lie also was at an inflection point.
Online, the biggest voices were those debunking it.
The day before the bomb was found at Soros’ house, the most prominent people mentioning the theory on Twitter had no longer been conservative commentators but instead New York Times columnist Paul Krugman and Chelsea Clinton.
But researchers say repetition is repetition. Even exposing a lie plays a central role in mutating fantasy into fact, or at least a matter of debate. Here, news coverage – including this story – play a significant role.
“The choices reporters and editors make about what to cover and how to cover it play a key part in regulating the amount of oxygen supplied to the falsehoods, antagonisms, and manipulations that threaten to overrun the contemporary media ecosystem,” Syracuse University professor Whitney Phillips wrote in a paper this year on disinformation.
Attention alone can lend credence to the very information critics mean to undermine.
By Oct. 22, posts debunking the theory also emerged.
One from Arizona Christian conservative Joshua Feuerstein was among Facebook’s most-viewed videos pushing the Soros-caravan connection.
Feuerstein is best known for characterizing Starbucks’ shift to generic red holiday cups as a war on Christmas.
His video purported to show Honduran migrants on a truck.
Accompanying text popularized a direct connection not just to Soros, but to the midterms: “They are not coming on foot as CNN #FakeNews says!
George Soros is paying for them to show up at the border by mid term elections!”
The video and text drew 137,000 views.
Exactly how far the lie linking Soros to the migrant caravan has traveled is impossible to measure in full. Messages on 4chan and other sites where conspiracies germinate disappear quickly.
Gab – a social media site that attracted right-wing figures banished from more mainstream platforms – itself was on the verge of disappearing this week. Even on mainstream sites like Facebook and Instagram, many messages are private.
Still, by the morning of Oct. 27, it had spread to hundreds of millions of users on mainstream social media, and found its way to many more on cable news.
That morning, federal prosecutors allege that trucker Robert Bowers stormed into the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh and shot 11 worshipers to death.
The authorities have offered few details about what might have motivated him to attack, but online Bowers left his own trail of grievance and conspiracy.
Using the handle OneDingo on Twitter, Bowers shared anti-Jewish content and criticized President Trump. Since January, he was a regular on Gab, too, where his bio read:
“Jews are the children of Satan.” The image on his Gab account referred to a white supremacist meme. His last message read: “Screw your optics, I'm going in.”
And by the next day, he did.
In the aftermath, as the news media rushed to cover the killings and to explain the internet conspiracies that might have precipitated such a massacre – the lie spread anew.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 18:17:52 GMT -5
Meanwhile our fearless leader is talking about sending 15,000 troops to the border with weapons to stop the horde of women, children and guys with flip flops on from invading the US, raping, pillaging, forming gangs and terrorising our citizens.
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Post by inger on Oct 31, 2018 18:33:04 GMT -5
Meanwhile our fearless leader is talking about sending 15,000 troops to the border with weapons to stop the horde of women, children and guys with flip flops on from invading the US, raping, pillaging, forming gangs and terrorising our citizens. Not meaning at all to criticize this comment, what do you think we should do, Chuck? Frankly, I’m at a bit of a loss how this should be properly addressed. While the majority of these folks probably do meet the description you provided, just the simple law of averages would say that there will be some really bad characters in the masses... Do we delay them in a sorting house? Profile them as “ins” and “outs”? Require a USDA stamp? Open our arms and welcome all, dealing with any aftermath later? At this point I can’t criticize Trump on this because I’m dumbfounded as to what would be the best solution...I’d be happy to accept a less violent and forceful approach, to be honest... |
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Post by Blue Marlin on Oct 31, 2018 19:06:38 GMT -5
Meanwhile our fearless leader is talking about sending 15,000 troops to the border with weapons to stop the horde of women, children and guys with flip flops on from invading the US, raping, pillaging, forming gangs and terrorising our citizens. Not meaning at all to criticize this comment, what do you think we should do, Chuck? Frankly, I’m at a bit of a loss how this should be properly addressed. While the majority of these folks probably do meet the description you provided, just the simple law of averages would say that there will be some really bad characters in the masses... Do we delay them in a sorting house? Profile them as “ins” and “outs”? Require a USDA stamp? Open our arms and welcome all, dealing with any aftermath later? At this point I can’t criticize Trump on this because I’m dumbfounded as to what would be the best solution...I’d be happy to accept a less violent and forceful approach, to be honest... I find it easy-as-pie to criticize Trump on this. We turned away 300,000+ people at the border last year. This is a group of about 1500, now, at least some of whom won't make it. There are bad apples in every bushel. We don't need an overblown military response to deal with this!! The ONLY reason Trump is bloviating about these migrants is to gin up the hate and fear before the mid-terms. it has NOTHING to do with national security or, even, reality. It's merely a political stunt. And research shows that the migrants who have gotten across our southern border word hard, abide by our laws, and contribute to our economy (which is more than can be said for, for example, Trump's own children). Six weeks ago, Trump called these folks "Mexicans" and that's not even true (like virtually everything else he says). Arguably, 50 years of American imperialism in Central America have contributed to the messes down there that 99% of these migrants are fleeing. Lets show them compassion. They're fleeing a nightmare. There's no evidence that they're "carrying diseases" or "harboring terrorists." There is plenty of evidence, however, that no one has any good reason to believe anything Donald Trump says. |
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Post by inger on Oct 31, 2018 20:14:33 GMT -5
So, that is simply a vote for open our arms and let them in. Hmm. Just like on the Statue of Liberty. A novel idea indeed...Of course, times have changed. Have our hearts changed, too? Have we forgotten how 99+% of US wound up here?...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 22:25:38 GMT -5
I'm not saying let them all in. Quite the contrary. We don't have the resources for that anymore, but neither should those poor people be threatened at the border with AR-15s. We do what we can for the ones that are eligible and treat the others humanely if they can't be accommodated.
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Post by inger on Oct 31, 2018 23:00:18 GMT -5
I'm not saying let them all in. Quite the contrary. We don't have the resources for that anymore, but neither should those poor people be threatened at the border with AR-15s. We do what we can for the ones that are eligible and treat the others humanely if they can't be accommodated. Someone suggested to me the other day that we load the incorrigibles onto planes and fly them back home. That is sort of humane. Though then again, what are they fleeing? Will they be shot as soon as they debark the planes? Will our planes then be shot down, starting a war? So I would say that your vote is not for open arms and give them all asylum, but somehow we have to detain them and figure out who they are. Could that be done without a massive military showing? What if they simply rushed the border with no one to stop them? I'm still at a loss. I'm anti-violent, but I have fought when someone has backed me in a corner. It would be so much better if perhaps the actual intentions were announced so the people on the way would know what the process will be. They may think that they'll be marching right into welcoming arms. Many, many of them are surely uneducated. The educated ones are likely the trouble makers of the herd. Reflecting on this issue as well as many other issues that Dome has raised in his recent (lengthy...lengthier each time...damn, so much to chew on)...Makes the old jwild posts look like crib notes on the bottom of your shoe... The answers are often in the questions, are they not? Perhaps the right question hasn't really been asked. I'll try one...What has driven American people to such despair that that Donald Trump became the best choice (best enough for him to win the election)? It seems as likely that Mickey Mouse could have won on write-in votes. I will also tell you that while I do agree that many of his votes came from poor and uneducated people, they were not the only ones that voted for Trump. And many of our poor and uneducated are minorities, as well. Those same are often the people that we claim we have pity for and would like to help... Yes, much of America is in despair. There is a feeling among the lower middle class of despair. I wonder myself how millennials are going to own a home when they can only find $8-$12 per hour jobs that restrict them to less than 30 hours per week so they can't get benefits...Even if they work two jobs, they're putting in 50-60 hours per week and making $600-$750 dollars per...I'm sure as shit glad that I'm not in the job market. Those of us in our 60's are even less wanted than the kids...Most employers blame the youth for having no work ethic and the difficulty in finding people that can pass a drug test...Yet, they don't want to hire grey hair that CAN pass a drug test...So all of the wonderful past administrations get to skate on allowing us to get to this point. A country with no dialogue allowed for fear of offending the very elephants (and the herd is a large one) in the rooms... |
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Post by Blue Marlin on Oct 31, 2018 23:31:32 GMT -5
I'm not saying let them all in. Quite the contrary. We don't have the resources for that anymore, but neither should those poor people be threatened at the border with AR-15s. We do what we can for the ones that are eligible and treat the others humanely if they can't be accommodated. Someone suggested to me the other day that we load the incorrigibles onto planes and fly them back home. That is sort of humane. Though then again, what are they fleeing? Will they be shot as soon as they debark the planes? Will our planes then be shot down, starting a war? So I would say that your vote is not for open arms and give them all asylum, but somehow we have to detain them and figure out who they are. Could that be done without a massive military showing? What if they simply rushed the border with no one to stop them? I'm still at a loss. I'm anti-violent, but I have fought when someone has backed me in a corner. It would be so much better if perhaps the actual intentions were announced so the people on the way would know what the process will be. They may think that they'll be marching right into welcoming arms. Many, many of them are surely uneducated. The educated ones are likely the trouble makers of the herd. Reflecting on this issue as well as many other issues that Dome has raised in his recent (lengthy...lengthier each time...damn, so much to chew on)...Makes the old jwild posts look like crib notes on the bottom of your shoe... The answers are often in the questions, are they not? Perhaps the right question hasn't really been asked. I'll try one...What has driven American people to such despair that that Donald Trump became the best choice (best enough for him to win the election)? It seems as likely that Mickey Mouse could have won on write-in votes. I will also tell you that while I do agree that many of his votes came from poor and uneducated people, they were not the only ones that voted for Trump. And many of our poor and uneducated are minorities, as well. Those same are often the people that we claim we have pity for and would like to help... Yes, much of America is in despair. There is a feeling among the lower middle class of despair. I wonder myself how millennials are going to own a home when they can only find $8-$12 per hour jobs that restrict them to less than 30 hours per week so they can't get benefits...Even if they work two jobs, they're putting in 50-60 hours per week and making $600-$750 dollars per...I'm sure as shit glad that I'm not in the job market. Those of us in our 60's are even less wanted than the kids...Most employers blame the youth for having no work ethic and the difficulty in finding people that can pass a drug test...Yet, they don't want to hire grey hair that CAN pass a drug test...So all of the wonderful past administrations get to skate on allowing us to get to this point. A country with no dialogue allowed for fear of offending the very elephants (and the herd is a large one) in the rooms... If Americans really cared about the truth, they'd be looking to deport loser caucasian males in an effort to help ensure their safety. After all, THAT group comprises the real hotbed of terrorists in the U.S. Guatemalans, Hondurans, and Salvadorans are, really, as scary and as threatening as milk. P.S. A good friend of mine is one of the most successful farmers and past president of the Western Growers' Association. According to him, the WGA members all pay appropriate payroll taxes on their "underdocumented workers." And they collectively agree that, if we stopped illegal immigration tomorrow and deported all th illegals the next day, American supermarkets would start looking pretty empty within a week, or two. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 23:39:46 GMT -5
Inger, if we are at the point where we need 15,000 soldiers armed to the teeth to stop women and children (about 70% of the crew, news outlets are saying, and I don't count websites like GAB, who say they are armed with nuclear and bio WMDs under the kids' cribs), we are toast anyway. Trump is losing the House and wants to make sure the Reps hold onto the Senate, so he will bore in on immigration to bring out his base. Because he cares about the country? Hardly. He's afraid what it is going to mean to him when he's left naked and won't be able to stop investigations into his finances and other crooked shit he's been pulling for decades. If you really think Trump cares one iota about the US, I have an exotic fish farm that maybe you might want to be interested in investing in. I totally agree with you with regard to the disappearing middle class. One thing is, those manufacturing jobs and so many others are never coming back again. They have been totally automised and many more will continue to be lost. Those with little or no relevant education will continue to tread water- if they are lucky.
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Post by inger on Nov 1, 2018 10:18:21 GMT -5
Inger, if we are at the point where we need 15,000 soldiers armed to the teeth to stop women and children (about 70% of the crew, news outlets are saying, and I don't count websites like GAB, who say they are armed with nuclear and bio WMDs under the kids' cribs), we are toast anyway. Trump is losing the House and wants to make sure the Reps hold onto the Senate, so he will bore in on immigration to bring out his base. Because he cares about the country? Hardly. He's afraid what it is going to mean to him when he's left naked and won't be able to stop investigations into his finances and other crooked shit he's been pulling for decades. If you really think Trump cares one iota about the US, I have an exotic fish farm that maybe you might want to be interested in investing in. I totally agree with you with regard to the disappearing middle class. One thing is, those manufacturing jobs and so many others are never coming back again. They have been totally automised and many more will continue to be lost. Those with little or no relevant education will continue to tread water- if they are lucky. So sad that violence begets violence. As the innocents flee the horrendous murder rates of their home country, traveling untold miles to reach our "land of opportunity" they will again be looking down the barrels of guns. I feel certain that there will be some criminals using the horde to cross the border, for criminals are great opportunists. Women can be criminals too, so we can't eliminate all of them from suspicion, but in the hubbub at the border there will certainly be some sort of violence and a lot of jostling of bodies to and fro. Again, children are going to be separated from their parents in the confusion. Parents or children may be killed in cross-fire if this isn't carefully managed. I just hope no idiot in the caravan decides to open fire on our troops, or detonate a bomb. The time would best be spent now in organizing a way to receive the people. Unfortunately, to do that you must contain them, which means that some sort of armed military presence will be needed until we can sort out the good guys from the bad guys. Then, we must figure out what to do with and about the bad guys. I'd also wonder if a fair number of said "bad guys" might split from the caravan as it nears the border and use the distraction of the caravan to cross elsewhere. Perhaps many are already deploying that tactic. For whatever reason, many Americans now feel threatened by immigration. And not only illegal immigration, immigration period. The example of our many years of successful immigration through Ellis Island should rule here. It appears that the formation of a caravan is more about attempting to remain safe while traveling through country that is still ruled by bandits, as well as a protest vs. their own country's policies. So this does appear to be a clear case of refugees seeking political asylum. It's a matter now of how to allow that... |
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Post by domeplease on Nov 1, 2018 14:36:34 GMT -5
CHUCKTHBLADE’S POST: Inger, if we are at the point where we need 15,000 soldiers armed to the teeth to stop women and children (about 70% of the crew, news outlets are saying, and I don't count websites like GAB, who say they are armed with nuclear and bio WMDs under the kids' cribs), we are toast anyway.
Trump is losing the House and wants to make sure the Reps hold onto the Senate, so he will bore in on immigration to bring out his base. Because he cares about the country? Hardly.
He's afraid what it is going to mean to him when he's left naked and won't be able to stop investigations into his finances and other crooked shit he's been pulling for decades.
If you really think Trump cares one iota about the US, I have an exotic fish farm that maybe you might want to be interested in investing in. I totally agree with you with regard to the disappearing middle class.
One thing is, those manufacturing jobs and so many others are never coming back again.
They have been totally automised and many more will continue to be lost. Those with little or no relevant education will continue to tread water- if they are lucky.
BLUE MARLIN’S POST: If Americans really cared about the truth, they'd be looking to deport loser caucasian males in an effort to help ensure their safety. After all, THAT group comprises the real hotbed of terrorists in the U.S.
Guatemalans, Hondurans, and Salvadorans are, really, as scary and as threatening as milk.
P.S. A good friend of mine is one of the most successful farmers and past president of the Western Growers' Association. According to him, the WGA members all pay appropriate payroll taxes on their "underdocumented workers."
And they collectively agree that, if we stopped illegal immigration tomorrow and deported all the illegals the next day, American supermarkets would start looking pretty empty within a week, or two.
Do Me’s THOUGHTS: Chuck & Blue, I just listed two of your recent posts…there were other great posts you had posted too.
I respect both of you because, you BOTH have stated the Truth, Facts & Reality (Three critical items missing/lacking in our Society Today).
No matter how hard WE try, nor matter how many Factual Statements WE state there in NO WAY of changing Inger’s thinking or others like him. (And to be noted I like Inger & respect him; well…most of the time).
Inger is what I refer to as an Old Thinker and should (to be honest) read more about the Truth, Facts & Reality than he Posts.
Inger & others like him IGNORE or just do not know the Facts.
For instance, it is in our Laws & Constitution that YES, Refugees from other countries can apply for Asylum.
All they have to do is go to one of our Legal Border Crossing and say, I am applying for Asylum.
They are to be taken to a Camp like environment (TOGETHER WITH THEIR CHILDREN) and housed, fed, etc.
They then get interviewed and an appearance before a Judge to plead their case for Asylum, etc.
However, (if you all have read some of my prior posts), Donald & his team have instructed the Border Patrol to say they have no more room in our Asylum, forcing the Refugees than to cross our border illegally where they cannot apply for asylum and are sent back to HELL (sorry, I meant to say their countries.).
Inger, doesn’t know that at least 98% of these refugees just want a better life & to work. I know this for I live in Mexico and know these types of folks. Yes there might be a few Bad Apples but the interviewing process will weed these out.
If they are ALL coming to America to commit crimes like the White Fringed Extremists and their Media Outlets claim; they could have just stayed in their countries to commit crimes.
What Inger doesn’t also realize as of August 30 2018, there was over 7.1 million job openings that Small Businesses & Corporations cannot find workers to fill (see article below).
This wouldn’t bother me as much if this was 2030…for by that time, the vast majority of these job openings will be replaced by Technogoly, Automation, Robicts, A.I. etc.
But, today this is having a major impact on our Companies; for lack of workers = lack of products/services produced = less sales = less profits. WE will see this impact on our companies in 2019 plus…
There are so many Sectors screaming for workers (too many to list here)…just a few:
Healthcare/Home Care
Transportation (Drivers, etc.)
Construction
Farmers
Slaughter Houses
Etc. Etc. etc.
Some Farmers in the South East are offering the following to attract workers:
--$18.00 to $20.00/hour
--Sign-up bonuses of $500.00 PLUS
--Medical Plans
--401k Plans
--Vacation/Sick Leave
--Etc. Etc. Etc.
If I was a WHITE Male/Female under the age of 45-years and I could find no jobs in my community…Guess What? I am on the ‘Hound’ and working in the fields.
However, they still cannot get WHITES to Work & STAY on these jobs.
Some do not even last the First Day; others last less than a week; others after a week or never return; etc. etc. etc . (there is a very small % that do hang in there, but NOT enough).
Why? I am writing a Chapter on this major problem WE have, on getting Whites who are able to work = TO WORK. You all will be Shocked by some of findings.
What Inger and folks like him, do NOT realize and/or accept is that EVERY long-lasting & successful country in Human History ENCOURAGED Immigrants, etc. Without immigrants we are screwed = Just look at our Demographics as to all-time low birth rates by Whites.
In addition, the Hispanics/Latino’s are the Hardest Workers along with the Asians in the WORLD.
A INGER POST: For whatever reason, many Americans now feel threatened by immigration. And not only illegal immigration, immigration period.
The example of our many years of successful immigration through Ellis Island should rule here…
Do Me’s Thoughts on the above Post: No, the Vast Majority of Americans have No problems with Immigrants/Refugees coming to our Country. They know the benefits of such.
The ONES that feel threaten by such are the Extreme Dark Age & Old Thinkers that Hate anything/anybody different.
Inger, I hope you have learned that Refugees/Immigrants are legal in America. Stop thinking Ellis Island; for the New Ellis Island is the Mexican Border.
Reread Blue Marlin’s post…IF WE, keep on blocking and/or chasing out Immigrants/Refugees soon OUR Supermarkets will be bare of products.
Finally FBI Statistics show that Undocumented Workers in America have the lowest crime rates in comparison to: Documented Workers, Whites, Blacks, Asians, etc.
P.S. #1: Yes Blue Marlin I AGREE = If Americans really cared about the truth, they'd be looking to deport loser caucasian males in an effort to help ensure their safety.
After all, THAT group comprises the real hotbed of terrorists in the U.S. (see articles below).
P.S. #2: Inger if you feel that Older Senior Citizens cannot get jobs in Today’s America you are wrong.
I have compelled a Folder of numerous jobs that one over 60-years can do and are sought after to do.
However, I will NOT do your work for you…use Search Engines = The information is at your Finger Tips.
--10-15-18: www.cnbc.com/2018/10/16/job-openings-hit-record-7point136-million-in-august.html
Job openings hit a fresh record in August, indicating companies could face more inflationary pressures ahead with a tight labor market.
The vacancies level hit 7.14 million for the month, according to the Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey, a report Federal Reserve officials watch closely for clues about where employment stands.
The total number of hires also reached a new record of 5.78 million.
Openings dwarfed the total level of workers looking for jobs, which stood at 6.23 million for that month and fell to 5.96 million in September, recent Labor Department statistics show. The JOLTS survey, as it is known, lags the government's nonfarm payrolls count by a month. The survey began in December 2000.
AND: 10-31-18: www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/09/12/study-shows-two-thirds-us-terrorism-tied-right-wing-extremists
A new terrorism database analysis shows almost two-thirds of the terror attacks in the United States last year were carried out by right-wing extremists.
Researchers and journalists for the news site Quartz said they used data compiled by the Global Terrorism Database that has tabulated terrorist events around the world since 1970. The database is supported by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START), affiliated with the University of Maryland.
“A Quartz analysis of the database shows that almost two-thirds of terror attacks in the (United States) last year were tied to racist, anti-Muslim, homophobic, anti-Semitic, fascist, anti-government, or xenophobic motivations,” its posting says.
The remaining attacks, the web site said, “were driven by left-wing ideologies … and Islamic extremism.”
Globally, terrorist attacks dropped from about 17,000 in 2014 to about 11,000 in 2017, including a 40 percent decline in the Middle East, according to Quartz's analysis of the START data.
But the United States has seen a recent surge in terror-related violence, with 65 attacks last year, up from six in 2006, it said.
In a related post last month, Quartz said of 65 terrorism incidents last year in the United States, 37 were “tied to racist, anti-Muslim, homophobic, anti-Semitic, fascist, anti-government or xenophobic motivations.”
The list includes the August 2017 incident at the "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, where a man drove a car into a crowd of counter-protesters, killing Heather Heyer and injuring many others.
The suspect, James Alex Fields, was photographed earlier that day marching with neo-Nazi hate group Vanguard America. Fields has been charged with first-degree murder and is awaiting trial in Virginia. In June, he was indicted on 30 charges of federal hate crimes related to the attack.
The list also includes attacks on a gay bar in Puerto Rico, mosques in Washington, Texas, and Florida and a “vehicle decorated with Jewish iconography in New York,” the posting said.
Quartz said the Global Terrorism Database annual report includes “cases where violence is used by non-state actors to achieve political, economic, religious, or social goals through fear and coercion.”
For example, it said, the database “includes ideologically motivated attacks like the Charleston church shooting, but not ones such as the Aurora movie theater massacre.”
The database also classifies cases according to attackers’ affiliations, such as the Ku Klux Klan. When an affiliation is unknown, the database lists the participant’s ideological identity if it’s known, such as white extremist.
For further reading on right-wing extremist terrorism, check out Terror from the Right, the Southern Poverty Law Center's directory of major terrorist plots and right-wing political violence from 1995 to the present.
AND IMPORTANT READ ABOUT THE RIGHT WING HATERS/TERRORISTS ATTACKS SINCE 1995: 10-31-18: www.splcenter.org/20180723/terror-right
AND 10-30-18: www.splcenter.org/20180205/alt-right-killing-people
The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) counted over 100 people killed or injured by alleged perpetrators influenced by the so-called "alt-right" — a movement that continues to access the mainstream and reach young recruits.
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Post by inger on Nov 1, 2018 15:17:09 GMT -5
I believe you have a problem with comprehension, Dome. Perhaps talking with your parrot all the time is draining your brain cells. You have s tendency to modify my statements to shoehorn me into an imaginary form...Smoke some more of your loco weed. I go in peace...
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