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Post by inger on Sept 13, 2018 9:38:33 GMT -5
would one of you take a look at Murry Dickson....he lost some prime years to WWII....I thought he was decent, but not sure where he ends up all=time....after I thought about Dickson, there came to mind a couple lefties who were decent as well...Howie Pollet and Al Brazle…..this was after the war, and I think they lost years as well.....these have probably been looked at and didn't make a cut, even for a reliever, although maybe Dickson should... The Cards had a pitcher named Max Lanier too....I think he was a leader in some players jumping to the Mexican League...in fact, I'm not sure he ever got re-instated in MLB... Lanier did get re-instated in 1949 after missing a couple seasons and finished his career in 1949. His son Hal was an infielder, mostly with the Giants, but did finish up with two seasons with the Yanks. On advice from my baseball council, I'll add Pollet and Lanier to my bullpen and move Dizzy up from AAA. Dickson and Brazle are close, but can't have everybody. I'll also go back to my original lineup with Jim Edmonds to play center. Thanks for the reminder on how bad Brock was in the outfield. Nice work on Lanier. I had no idea that he was the father of the great Hal...An almost forgettable Giant, much less an extremely forgettable Yankee... Nice work on the roster adjustments...Lou is not going to be happy, but luckily we don't have free agency, a reserve clause, the 5/10 rule, or any other statute for him to use as a platform. Even Curt Flood will have to abide by all decisions here, though we have no where to trade him to... |
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Post by utahyank on Sept 13, 2018 10:30:02 GMT -5
thanks for that work, guys...I also had no idea that Hal was Max's son...just never made the connection at all....you're right to leave Dickson off the Cards bullpen...his best was with Pittsburgh as inger said...
There was a flagship station in St Louis that covered an area with a radial distance to the Rockies...Harry Caray was a voice of the Cardinals for years before he was fired, and was quite popular...rumors after his firing centered around alleged infidelity of Mrs. August Busch with a certain broadcaster...
The old Sportsman's Park had a roof over the second deck in RF, behind that was a busy street...because a couple times a season a guy like Mize might hit one on the roof that would then bounce and go into the street behind, with the obvious hazards of that, the Cardinals erected a vertical fence at the back of the roof to contain those balls...I was stationed in St Louis with the Atomic Energy Commission for a couple years and saw quite a bit of the games there..I saw Mize hit one to RC that bounced on the roof and skidded past the fence and into the street, and Slaughter hit one that bounced on the roof and was stopped by fence...one day (they were day games then), and it was beastly hot...Musial pulled one to RF, nearly down the line that cleared that fence...he was not a huge guy but he was wiry strong...crowds were not huge then like today, but there was a roar when the ball was in flight, and when the ball cleared the fence there was a sudden hush...people looking at each other etc..Marty Marion is worth a mention for his defense...and Terry Moore was good defensively in center...I remember a 3B by the name of Ray Jablonski...I may have this wrong but I think he hit homers in his first two plate appearances as a rookie, or in his first game, or something like that...Walker Cooper deserves a mention too...he was a good defensive catcher and a decent hitter...I think his brother Mort might have been a better hitter than Walker if he batted every day...that about cleans me out on the Cardinals...thanks so much for your work and comments...
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Post by utahyank on Sept 13, 2018 12:22:28 GMT -5
ahhh. did anyone mention Lindy McDaniel?.....pretty good pitcher, and a Yankee after a career with the Cardinals..
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Post by domeplease on Sept 13, 2018 13:24:11 GMT -5
DO ME’S BEST ALL YANKEE LINE-UP FROM 1963 TO PRESENT:
CATCHER: Munson/Yogi/Posada
1B: Mattingly
2B: Richardson/Randolph/Cano
SS: Jeter/Kubek/Didi
3B: Nettles/Boyer
RF: O’Neill/Winfield/Judge/Reggie Jackson
CF: Mantle/Bernie Williams/Mickey Rivers
LF: Roy White/Henderson
BULL PEN: Mo/Gossage/Lyle/Righetti/Stanton
STARTING PITCHERS: Ford/Guidry/Stottlemyre/Wells/Cone/Hunter/Mussina/Clemens/Pettite
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Post by inger on Sept 13, 2018 16:28:46 GMT -5
ahhh. did anyone mention Lindy McDaniel?.....pretty good pitcher, and a Yankee after a career with the Cardinals.. I thought of Lindy. His years with the Cardinals were primarily as a middling starter, so I quickly dismissed him from consideration. He is one of my all time old time personal favorites, though... |
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Post by inger on Sept 13, 2018 16:33:31 GMT -5
DO ME’S BEST ALL YANKEE LINE-UP FROM 1963 TO PRESENT:
CATCHER: Munson/Yogi/Posada
1B: Mattingly
2B: Richardson/Randolph/Cano
SS: Jeter/Kubek/Didi
3B: Nettles/Boyer
RF: O’Neill/Winfield/Judge/Reggie Jackson
CF: Mantle/Bernie Williams/Mickey Rivers
LF: Roy White/Henderson
BULL PEN: Mo/Gossage/Lyle/Righetti/Stanton
STARTING PITCHERS: Ford/Guidry/Stottlemyre/Wells/Cone/Hunter/Mussina/Clemens/Pettite
While this is interesting, this thread is about the original 16 franchises from inception til today...Thank you for sharing. To submit a team for the group to discuss, please go back to the 1903? Team and use all players from the team’s history. In other words, we love you Dome, but please follow the instructions, damn it!!! (: |
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Post by desousa on Sept 13, 2018 16:37:36 GMT -5
ahhh. did anyone mention Lindy McDaniel?.....pretty good pitcher, and a Yankee after a career with the Cardinals.. I thought of Lindy. His years with the Cardinals were primarily as a middling starter, so I quickly dismissed him from consideration. He is one of my all time old time personal favorites, though... I agree with Inger. I looked at him, but he only had one really good season with the Cards. He could spot start and relief on my team, but I have better pitchers already. He did have a couple good seasons with the Yanks late in his career. |
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Post by utahyank on Sept 13, 2018 17:11:47 GMT -5
I thought of Lindy. His years with the Cardinals were primarily as a middling starter, so I quickly dismissed him from consideration. He is one of my all time old time personal favorites, though... I agree with Inger. I looked at him, but he only had one really good season with the Cards. He could spot start and relief on my team, but I have better pitchers already. He did have a couple good seasons with the Yanks late in his career. good….thanks for responding...he came to mind mostly as an afterthought...I guess because of his Yankee connection...fine job here, desousa...thanks for the comments Pipp and inger...it was a fun look back at the Cardinals.. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 13, 2018 21:02:43 GMT -5
ahhh. did anyone mention Lindy McDaniel?.....pretty good pitcher, and a Yankee after a career with the Cardinals.. I thought of Lindy. His years with the Cardinals were primarily as a middling starter, so I quickly dismissed him from consideration. He is one of my all time old time personal favorites, though... Lindy McDaniel was one of my favorites as well, forkballing his way through decades in the majors. A very nice man by all reports. His brother Von was a one-year sensation at the age of 18. Right out of high school he went 7-5 with an ERA+ of 123 for a mediocre Cardinals team. And the next year he was gone. Washed up at 19! He kicked around in the minors for six or seven years, but never came close to getting back to the big time. And not because of injury either. He just lost it all of a sudden, a la Steve Blass. One of the early games I ever went to, I saw him pitch against the Phillies. There was a buzz in the crowd, as if we were watching a young Koufax. Alas, it was not to be. I recall he died long ago at a rather young age. Another steady, if unspectacular, long-time Cardinal twirler was Larry Jackson. Very consistent, always grinding out 14, 15, 17 wins every year. I have a vague recollection of Bill James listing him in the bottom rungs of his all-time 100 pitchers. Maybe the Mark Buehrle of his day? An outstanding defensive pitcher, like Jim Kaat or Bobby Shantz or Greg Maddux. He used to hold -- maybe he still does -- some funky record, like most wins for a pitcher who never pitched for a pennant-winning team. Or maybe it was just for an NL pitcher, or a righty, something like that. People who saw Howie Pollett were always impressed by him. He finished just before my time. Baseball card Cardinals for me (I just like to get names out there) -- Don Blasingame, Joe Cunningham, Alex Grammas, Carl Sawatski, Sam "Toothpick" Jones, Solly Hemus, Daryl Spencer, Jerry Buchek (an obscure IF prospect who never made it, but I must have seen him play.) And yes, Lou Brock was a lousy defensive player. Obviously very fast, but poor judgment and not much of an arm. And of course his failure to slide coming into home plate in the 1968 World Series was a key mistake in St. Louis blowing that series to Detroit after being up three games to one. |
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Post by utahyank on Sept 13, 2018 21:11:55 GMT -5
dang...Larry Jackson...how could I forget him....Von McDaniel....one of those things that there doesn't seem to be a good reason for....Bo Belinsky...
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Post by inger on Sept 13, 2018 21:49:54 GMT -5
dang...Larry Jackson...how could I forget him....Von McDaniel....one of those things that there doesn't seem to be a good reason for....Bo Belinsky... Who was the Playboy centerfold that he got to tuck in at night back then??? |
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Post by utahyank on Sept 13, 2018 22:55:32 GMT -5
dang...Larry Jackson...how could I forget him....Von McDaniel....one of those things that there doesn't seem to be a good reason for....Bo Belinsky... Who was the Playboy centerfold that he got to tuck in at night back then??? if the old memory is correct, I think it was Mamie Van Doren...unless it was someone else... |
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Post by inger on Sept 14, 2018 0:19:27 GMT -5
Who was the Playboy centerfold that he got to tuck in at night back then??? if the old memory is correct, I think it was Mamie Van Doren...unless it was someone else... He was engaged to Mamie. He later got married to Playmate Jo Collins. Dated many actresses. Including Connie Stephens and... yum... Ann-Margret. I never understood why her name had to be hyphenated, but she could have had my hyphen any time... |
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Post by utahyank on Sept 14, 2018 0:40:05 GMT -5
if the old memory is correct, I think it was Mamie Van Doren...unless it was someone else... He was engaged to Mamie. He later got married to Playmate Jo Collins. Dated many actresses. Including Connie Stephens and... yum... Ann-Margret. I never understood why her name had to be hyphenated, but she could have had my hyphen any time... I guess we won't get to the Angels if we follow only the 16 more or less "original" teams...but, in passing, the Angels somehow in their draft came up with some gems for a startup club...one good one was Dean Chance.... |
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Post by inger on Sept 14, 2018 0:52:49 GMT -5
He was engaged to Mamie. He later got married to Playmate Jo Collins. Dated many actresses. Including Connie Stephens and... yum... Ann-Margret. I never understood why her name had to be hyphenated, but she could have had my hyphen any time... I guess we won't get to the Angels if we follow only the 16 more or less "original" teams...but, in passing, the Angels somehow in their draft came up with some gems for a startup club...one good one was Dean Chance.... I was reading a bit about Chance (and Belinsky) tonight. The reason the Angels were able to get Chance was because the Orioles, who had drafted the former high-schooler that was said to have pitched 18 no-hitters in high school, was because they saw him as too boisterous and exposed him in the expansion draft. The Senators actually selected Chance and immediately dealt him to the Angels because the still needed a 1B and OFs. The Angels were a remarkably quick-start expansion team for that era of miserable Senators, Astros, and Mets teams... Chance married young, but once he and Belinsky met up the skirt chasing began in earnest and even though there were two children the Chance marriage did not last... I think it was 1964 when Chance went 5-0 vs. the Yanks with 4 shutouts and Amanda ERA of...gulp... 0.18... |
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