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Post by utahyank on Sept 7, 2018 22:20:21 GMT -5
the Phillies have had some good nicknames....Just the '50 squad had Putsy and Puddin'head….I never heard either one called by his real name, although I do know that Jones real name was Willie....when I first moved to Utah I was talking to a guy who played town ball in the 50's...he played 3B and told me he was called Puddin'head….I knew where that came from....
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Post by utahyank on Sept 7, 2018 22:42:40 GMT -5
I know we're talking teams here, but I recently perused a list of the top 30 shortstops...when we see the White Sox list we may see the team with the second best pair of shortstops, behind Wagner and Vaughn at Pittsburgh...the Yankees pair of Jeter and Rizzuto are right there as well...
the top 5 were Wagner, ARod, Banks, Ripken and Jeter...
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Post by inger on Sept 7, 2018 22:51:56 GMT -5
I know we're talking teams here, but I recently perused a list of the top 30 shortstops...when we see the White Sox list we may see the team with the second best pair of shortstops, behind Wagner and Vaughn at Pittsburgh...the Yankees pair of Jeter and Rizzuto are right there as well... the top 5 were Wagner, ARod, Banks, Ripken and Jeter... I have immense problems with that top 5. Far too offense-driven for my tastes. Banks and Jeter were wonderful baseball citizens, and some say Ripken was, and some say not... Wagner and A-Rod might be the top 2. I’d have to study that thought a bit. I really like defense at SS. Not so much that I’d put Mark Belanger, Dal Maxvill or Eddie Brinkman near the top mind you, but it’s big with me... As far as the thread’s purpose, there’s no rush to get to the end. Like many of the mountain road trips I take with Ruthie, it’s not the destination. It’s the journey. If you want me to pull the car over to look at the view, just say so... |
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Post by utahyank on Sept 7, 2018 23:05:15 GMT -5
I was pleased to see Rizzuto was there at 20, I think...ahead of some big hitters, but ones poorer defensively, like Vern Stephens and Lou Boudreau....so obviously there was a consideration for defense....if you put a premium on defense, while still being productive with the bat, you would probably move Phil up about 10 places...
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Post by inger on Sept 7, 2018 23:09:25 GMT -5
Before we lose track of the all ugly/all eyebrow team I have another player to consider for both. Sorry it has to have Yankee connections, but back when Joe Torre was playing and a bit on the heavy side he definitely hadn’t discovered tweezers yet. He was at least ugly enough that Bouton made reference to an ugly woman in “Ball Four” as looking like Joe Torre with t*ts...
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Post by utahyank on Sept 7, 2018 23:12:11 GMT -5
Before we lose track of the all ugly/all eyebrow team I have another player to consider for both. Sorry it has to have Yankee connections, but back when Joe Torre was playing and a bit on the heavy side he definitely hadn’t discovered tweezers yet. He was at least ugly enough that Bouton made reference to an ugly woman in “Ball Four” as looking like Joe Torre with t*ts... yeah, he had 'brows....I believe his brother Frank did too....probably came from Papa... |
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Post by inger on Sept 7, 2018 23:17:03 GMT -5
Before we lose track of the all ugly/all eyebrow team I have another player to consider for both. Sorry it has to have Yankee connections, but back when Joe Torre was playing and a bit on the heavy side he definitely hadn’t discovered tweezers yet. He was at least ugly enough that Bouton made reference to an ugly woman in “Ball Four” as looking like Joe Torre with t*ts... yeah, he had 'brows....I believe his brother Frank did too....probably came from Papa... Or mama... eeewwwww... |
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Post by inger on Sept 7, 2018 23:41:51 GMT -5
Was Antonio Alfonseca ugly? If he was even a bit homely, having twelve fingers and twelve toes should put him over the top and let him on the ugly team...
I once read that some of his team mates called him “Octopus”...
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Post by inger on Sept 10, 2018 23:59:17 GMT -5
I need to get to work on that White Sox team. I looked them over a bit, and when I saw that the top 24 players in BR were at most 50/50 in black and white and color I thought...oh boy. This won't be easy. Then I looked them over and I see several of those old time pitchers I was recently railing over a bit and some other players that were accumulators. It's going to be an interesting task, but I just haven't had the extra time lately. Luckily, I'm busy with work. Running behind a bit, actually...several complicated customers have cropped up at once, and the guy that was writing our proposals quit suddenly without telling us and we're hustling to get everything covered...I have to learn how to do those danged things. I hate to rely on other people for anything when it can have an impact on my income...But, I closed a small sale today, so in a couple of weeks, we can eat again!!! LOL...
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Post by inger on Sept 11, 2018 0:02:52 GMT -5
Before we lose track of the all ugly/all eyebrow team I have another player to consider for both. Sorry it has to have Yankee connections, but back when Joe Torre was playing and a bit on the heavy side he definitely hadn’t discovered tweezers yet. He was at least ugly enough that Bouton made reference to an ugly woman in “Ball Four” as looking like Joe Torre with t*ts... yeah, he had 'brows....I believe his brother Frank did too....probably came from Papa... Neither one of the Torre brothers exactly avoided the ugly stick, but Frank did miss out on the eyebrows, but got an extra helping of schnozz...That, is quite a honker... archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=58411066&itype=CMSID |
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Post by inger on Sept 11, 2018 0:05:11 GMT -5
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Post by utahyank on Sept 11, 2018 0:58:09 GMT -5
I need to get to work on that White Sox team. I looked them over a bit, and when I saw that the top 24 players in BR were at most 50/50 in black and white and color I thought...oh boy. This won't be easy. Then I looked them over and I see several of those old time pitchers I was recently railing over a bit and some other players that were accumulators. It's going to be an interesting task, but I just haven't had the extra time lately. Luckily, I'm busy with work. Running behind a bit, actually...several complicated customers have cropped up at once, and the guy that was writing our proposals quit suddenly without telling us and we're hustling to get everything covered...I have to learn how to do those danged things. I hate to rely on other people for anything when it can have an impact on my income...But, I closed a small sale today, so in a couple of weeks, we can eat again!!! LOL... take your time inger…..no hurry at all...I have enjoyed looking at the lists submitted so far, and talking also about those who did not make the cut....I am interested about how you will handle the 1919 players, because based on the PED era, and our divergent views on that era, we may not agree once again about 1919....the beauty is that we are apparently mature enough to disagree without being disagreeable....I'm also interested in the players from the 30's and 40's...the White Sox seemed to be perennial 2nd division clubs for so many years, until about '50, when there was an influx of Latino players...and good ones too....it will be the right time when you get to it... |
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Post by inger on Sept 11, 2018 1:06:45 GMT -5
I've decided that for this purpose talent, not ethics is appropriate...
When I sent Sammy Sosa to the "minors" on my Cubs team I looked past his PED use and still saw a player that I could win with better than he on the team. Perhaps that's my personal blindness, but I did what I felt was correct. I didn't see anyone complain about that, either...which sort of surprised me...
The White Sox were very good about opening their team up to Latinos before most of baseball did. Of course that was likely due as much to the desire to get cheap players as it was to the desire to win. It was smart though since there were some very talented guys that came to play in Chicago because of their open door policy...
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 11, 2018 8:21:19 GMT -5
I've decided that for this purpose talent, not ethics is appropriate... When I sent Sammy Sosa to the "minors" on my Cubs team I looked past his PED use and still saw a player that I could win with better than he on the team. Perhaps that's my personal blindness, but I did what I felt was correct. I didn't see anyone complain about that, either...which sort of surprised me... The White Sox were very good about opening their team up to Latinos before most of baseball did. Of course that was likely due as much to the desire to get cheap players as it was to the desire to win. It was smart though since there were some very talented guys that came to play in Chicago because of their open door policy... Yeah, I think as long as Shoeless Joe knows we're strictly enforcing the no-gambling rules here, he has to make the squad. But at the first hint of jaking it, we're sending in Minnie Minoso. Without having looked at any of the numbers, I will be interested to see where (if anyplace) Bill Melton fits in. One of the more forgotten multiple-HR crown winners. And one of my childhood favorites, Billy Pierce. I remember a long, detailed debate on Ted Lyons on this forum many years ago, where I think we all agreed that he was much better than we thought at first glance. Like Utah, I just enjoy seeing the names and having the remembrances and debating who did or did not make the squad. |
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Post by inger on Sept 11, 2018 10:13:20 GMT -5
I've also thought of Melton. If I get to temporarily "OWN" the Sox, the man must have a job somewhere. I'm continuing to be more and more leery of the old pitchers, which may not be a good thing. I suppose that instead of viewing them as relics I should perhaps imagine what they might do pitching today vs. what Chris Sale and company would do if they had to endure the circumstances of the past. I attempted to do some time travel like that with players many years before we knew about things like OPS+ and ERA+ by creating simple algebraic formulas in which I would multiply or divide (or both) stats of the league averages in various decades to give a raw indication of how players numbers might have looked in different seasons. So I was doing comparisons of say, Home Run Baker to Michael Jack Schmidt. Since I have never been able to do well with spreadsheets, everything I was doing was arduous and it would take me days to do a single player's numbers transferred to say...the dead ball era, or from the dead ball era to 1978, or what ever year it was...
Too bad I didn't keep the old scratch paper...I posted everything on the old Yankees forum on the Prodigy site...Prodigy. So many years ago...maybe thirty years since that was shut down and I migrated elsewhere. I was one of the few in my community that was using a bulletin board back then...
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