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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 6, 2018 20:31:22 GMT -5
Worse than Curt Blefary?... are you saying that I just didn't see enough of Blefary?  ……….yeah, I think so...Curt is not on my mental list of maybe 5....there were those who couldn't run and those who couldn't throw....Leon Wagner had a chicken-flapping arm from LF that could barely get the ball in to the SS....Fergosi would go out to shallow LF to make a play at the plate...it seemed the NL in the late 30's through about 1950 or so had some slow guys stationed in LF...Ennis with the Phils...Sauer with the Cubs...Kiner with the Pirates...and Gordon with the Braves...if those four had a footrace, I think Kiner would win, and Gordon would be last.... Utah, Sid Gordon was before my time, although I did see plenty of slugs from the 50s, including Sauer, who could hit it a mile (but probably couldn't run a mile if his afternoon martini depended on it.) Wally Post was another big, strong, flat-footed tugboat. Roy Sievers too (but he could have played for me with that consistent HR power.) Leon Wagner I recall for his clothing store -- "Buy Your Rags From Daddy Wags" -- yeah, a noodle-arm for sure. I did not recall Blefary being quite as bad; seems to me he came up as a catcher. I remember he was signed by the Yankees, who were paying his way through college (Wagner if memory serves -- the school, not Leon) while he was killing them while playing for the Orioles. Inger, I do remember Sam Bowens from my youth watching the O's on Channel 13. From the era of Russ Snyder and Dave Nicholson and Ron Hansen. Chuck Thompson and National Bo and Ess-Kay Quality Meats and Utz Potato Chips. Kirby Scott with the Saturday night dance party. Loved old-school Baltimore!! Pre-Inner Harbor -- Faidley's at Lexington Market, Connolly's on the docks, Obrycki's -- good times. One of my favorite soul girl groups, The Royalettes "It's Gonna Take a Miracle." Sigh. |
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Post by inger on Sept 6, 2018 20:35:05 GMT -5
Message to chiyankee: Before I embark on the White Sox project, I thought perhaps I should ask you if you want to do them...I didn't know if the White Sox might have a little soft nest buried in your heart somewhere...
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 6, 2018 20:40:37 GMT -5
I also recall the horrendous throwing arm of Don Baylor even when he was young. I recall one particular play when he was an Oriole when he dug the ball out from the spot it ran away from him and and picked it up and threw, and the throw went backwards and he had to go back and get it again. It’s the only throw I ever saw go backwards in a MLB game. Lonnie Smith was also comically bad in that he had warp speed, but would often kick, fumble, juggle, misthrow, slip, dive and miss, drop, just about any way to fail at damage control was his standard of operation...The Cardinals would have been better off to have a giant fly-back screen in LF than Smith. Lou Brock was similarly error prone in LF, but not quite to the extent Smith was... The Orioles has another guy that I always felt was the laziest OF I had ever seen, Sam Bowen. I never saw him run at top speed, it was like his throttle had a governor on it...He played a lot like late-career fat Andruw Jones, but when he was in his twenties... Oh, and back to Blefary...Frank Robinson nicknamed him clank, which he said was the sound his glove made when it made contact with the ball... Lonnie Smith had a knack for being on pennant-winning teams -- Phillies, Cardinals, Royals, I think one more -- and he could hit a little bit. His nickname, at least with the Phillies, was "Skates," and it had nothing to do with his hockey skills, but rather the way he tried to track the ball in LF. Don Baylor was a natural DH -- as well as a natural HBP -- loved him as a hitter. Seems like he came up at pretty much the exact same time for the Orioles as Bobby Grich, another seriously under-rated player who is borderline HOF (at least by the eye test, I am saying this without looking up his stats.) Certainly in the eyebrow HOF with Andy Etchebarren and Wally Moon. |
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Post by inger on Sept 6, 2018 22:02:55 GMT -5
Lol at the “Eyebrow Hall of Fame”...
Grich was so good defensively that looking up his stats is meaningless. We know he was good enough.
The current Yankee with the most claim to fame in the world of eyebrows I suppose would be Greg Bird. It just goes to show that they don’t make eyebrows like they used to...
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Post by utahyank on Sept 6, 2018 22:07:35 GMT -5
Lol at the “Eyebrow Hall of Fame”... Grich was so good defensively that looking up his stats is meaningless. We know he was good enough. The current Yankee with the most claim to fame in the world of eyebrows I suppose would be Greg Bird. It just goes to show that they don’t make eyebrows like they used to... my nominee for that category is Don Mossi…..can one of you whiz's post pictures of the nominees?...that would be fun... hah....I looked at their pictures....good call on Etchebarren….those eyebrows are amazing....Mossi in second...Don wins the "ugly man" contest hands-down...  |
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 6, 2018 22:28:31 GMT -5
Message to chiyankee: Before I embark on the White Sox project, I thought perhaps I should ask you if you want to do them...I didn't know if the White Sox might have a little soft nest buried in your heart somewhere... Thanks for asking, inger, but you can do the White Sox. My White Sox knowledge is limited since I've only lived in the Chicago area for 23 years and I never really paid that much attention to them. Now the only time I watch their games is when they play the Yanks. |
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Post by utahyank on Sept 6, 2018 22:30:01 GMT -5
are you saying that I just didn't see enough of Blefary? ……….yeah, I think so...Curt is not on my mental list of maybe 5....there were those who couldn't run and those who couldn't throw....Leon Wagner had a chicken-flapping arm from LF that could barely get the ball in to the SS....Fergosi would go out to shallow LF to make a play at the plate...it seemed the NL in the late 30's through about 1950 or so had some slow guys stationed in LF...Ennis with the Phils...Sauer with the Cubs...Kiner with the Pirates...and Gordon with the Braves...if those four had a footrace, I think Kiner would win, and Gordon would be last.... Utah, Sid Gordon was before my time, although I did see plenty of slugs from the 50s, including Sauer, who could hit it a mile (but probably couldn't run a mile if his afternoon martini depended on it.) Wally Post was another big, strong, flat-footed tugboat. Roy Sievers too (but he could have played for me with that consistent HR power.) Leon Wagner I recall for his clothing store -- "Buy Your Rags From Daddy Wags" -- yeah, a noodle-arm for sure. I did not recall Blefary being quite as bad; seems to me he came up as a catcher. I remember he was signed by the Yankees, who were paying his way through college (Wagner if memory serves -- the school, not Leon) while he was killing them while playing for the Orioles. Inger, I do remember Sam Bowens from my youth watching the O's on Channel 13. From the era of Russ Snyder and Dave Nicholson and Ron Hansen. Chuck Thompson and National Bo and Ess-Kay Quality Meats and Utz Potato Chips. Kirby Scott with the Saturday night dance party. Loved old-school Baltimore!! Pre-Inner Harbor -- Faidley's at Lexington Market, Connolly's on the docks, Obrycki's -- good times. One of my favorite soul girl groups, The Royalettes "It's Gonna Take a Miracle." Sigh. Roy Sievers was the one position player I wanted from the Browns...really good hitter....and there was a void in LF in NY after Keller left...Many thought Johnny Lindell was going to be good, but he never developed....Sievers would have been great at one of the corner OF spots....Gene Woodling was obtained from Cleveland a little later and he was adequate but far from Keller... Ned Garver was a pitcher from the Browns I would have liked to get in his prime...he did pitch later for the Yankees, but after his peak.... |
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 7, 2018 7:31:04 GMT -5
Lol at the “Eyebrow Hall of Fame”... Grich was so good defensively that looking up his stats is meaningless. We know he was good enough. The current Yankee with the most claim to fame in the world of eyebrows I suppose would be Greg Bird. It just goes to show that they don’t make eyebrows like they used to... my nominee for that category is Don Mossi…..can one of you whiz's post pictures of the nominees?...that would be fun... hah....I looked at their pictures....good call on Etchebarren….those eyebrows are amazing....Mossi in second...Don wins the "ugly man" contest hands-down... I think they had to retire the Ugly Man trophy after Don Mossi. The battle is strictly for second place. Otis Nixon and Gabe "Penitentiary Face" White each have considerable backing, but there is no shortage of candidates. Dick McAuliffe is another, and he would also be a factor in the eyebrow sub-category. Wally Moon was more of a Unibrow specialist than an all-around eyebrow guy. Good call on Greg Bird, Inger. I have been so frustrated by his hitting this year that I have overlooked his bushy brows. Maybe that was his plan all along. |
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Post by inger on Sept 7, 2018 9:41:02 GMT -5
One guy that I was always amazed about was Joe DiMaggio. He was thought of as handsome when he played, and he was able to nab Marilyn Monroe to lie beside him in bed, even to marry him. Yet his features are very odd, with wide spaced teeth. I think of his face as what I would call a razor-face with a sharp profile. I guess to each his/her own, but it seems that what makes a man handsome varies tremendously, whereas women are judged on a much narrower set of (standards). Yes, it was tempting to use another word there. Standards is the proper one...
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Post by inger on Sept 7, 2018 9:47:04 GMT -5
This fellow, Ezekial Astachio. Perhaps it isn't fair to include someone who so obviously suffers from a horrible skin disorder similar to elephant man syndrome. bleacherreport.com/articles/412633-where-is-he-now-worlds-ugliest-baseball-player-ezequiel-astacio#slide4His career 6.02 ERA is almost as ugly. Even his tiny picture on B-R that doesn't show the bumpy road on the sides of his face makes him look like a black Alfred E. Nueman. From any angle this poor guy had no chance. One of his nicknames was...go figure..."The Monster"... Still can't touch the "natural ugly" of Mossi, but he could cause small children to have nightmares... |
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Post by utahyank on Sept 7, 2018 10:28:16 GMT -5
One guy that I was always amazed about was Joe DiMaggio. He was thought of as handsome when he played, and he was able to nab Marilyn Monroe to lie beside him in bed, even to marry him. Yet his features are very odd, with wide spaced teeth. I think of his face as what I would call a razor-face with a sharp profile. I guess to each his/her own, but it seems that what makes a man handsome varies tremendously, whereas women are judged on a much narrower set of (standards). Yes, it was tempting to use another word there. Standards is the proper one... my observations are that being famous or rich or important helps a guy quite a bit in the looks department....if one looks at pictures of girl friends or wives of ballplayers, they are generally quite pretty......Joe was hugely famous at the time...larger than any sports figure that plays now...bigger than Mantle was a decade later....on the other hand, being able to get Marilyn to lie with him was not distinguishing to DiMaggio...only that he was one of many.... |
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Post by rizzuto on Sept 7, 2018 17:35:17 GMT -5
One guy that I was always amazed about was Joe DiMaggio. He was thought of as handsome when he played, and he was able to nab Marilyn Monroe to lie beside him in bed, even to marry him. Yet his features are very odd, with wide spaced teeth. I think of his face as what I would call a razor-face with a sharp profile. I guess to each his/her own, but it seems that what makes a man handsome varies tremendously, whereas women are judged on a much narrower set of (standards). Yes, it was tempting to use another word there. Standards is the proper one... Joe D was also a very spiffy dresser. Remember the adage, "the clothes make the man"? After all, where would you be without your sombrero? |
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Post by inger on Sept 7, 2018 20:31:39 GMT -5
One guy that I was always amazed about was Joe DiMaggio. He was thought of as handsome when he played, and he was able to nab Marilyn Monroe to lie beside him in bed, even to marry him. Yet his features are very odd, with wide spaced teeth. I think of his face as what I would call a razor-face with a sharp profile. I guess to each his/her own, but it seems that what makes a man handsome varies tremendously, whereas women are judged on a much narrower set of (standards). Yes, it was tempting to use another word there. Standards is the proper one... my observations are that being famous or rich or important helps a guy quite a bit in the looks department....if one looks at pictures of girl friends or wives of ballplayers, they are generally quite pretty......Joe was hugely famous at the time...larger than any sports figure that plays now...bigger than Mantle was a decade later....on the other hand, being able to get Marilyn to lie with him was not distinguishing to DiMaggio...only that he was one of many.... If I don’t make you blush with this one, I’ve often noted that many women choose men by looking at the bulge in their pants, but not the one that may come to mind at first. They look in the back for a nice, thick wallet... |
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Post by inger on Sept 7, 2018 20:35:09 GMT -5
One guy that I was always amazed about was Joe DiMaggio. He was thought of as handsome when he played, and he was able to nab Marilyn Monroe to lie beside him in bed, even to marry him. Yet his features are very odd, with wide spaced teeth. I think of his face as what I would call a razor-face with a sharp profile. I guess to each his/her own, but it seems that what makes a man handsome varies tremendously, whereas women are judged on a much narrower set of (standards). Yes, it was tempting to use another word there. Standards is the proper one... Joe D was also a very spiffy dresser. Remember the adage, "the clothes make the man"? After all, where would you be without your sombrero? Canada?... (: I’m strictly shorts/jeans and tee shirts when I’m off duty. Shorts in summer, trousers in winter with a golf shirt after it get down below about 45 degrees when I’m working. You won’t catch me in a suit unless somebody died...and then reluctantly.., |
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Post by inger on Sept 7, 2018 20:35:56 GMT -5
Of course, the ever-present sombrero...I hate when it fills up with snow...
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……….yeah, I think so...Curt is not on my mental list of maybe 5....there were those who couldn't run and those who couldn't throw....Leon Wagner had a chicken-flapping arm from LF that could barely get the ball in to the SS....Fergosi would go out to shallow LF to make a play at the plate...it seemed the NL in the late 30's through about 1950 or so had some slow guys stationed in LF...Ennis with the Phils...Sauer with the Cubs...Kiner with the Pirates...and Gordon with the Braves...if those four had a footrace, I think Kiner would win, and Gordon would be last....
