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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 0:56:59 GMT -5
So why not sign Machado so at least we have one major league caliber infielder on defense who can also rake. The way the infield is shaking out now with Voit, Torres, Tulo and Miggy means pitchers might well have to get 4 outs per inning ad nauseum.
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Post by inger on Feb 6, 2019 1:13:20 GMT -5
So why not sign Machado so at least we have one major league caliber infielder on defense who can also rake. The way the infield is shaking out now with Voit, Torres, Tulo and Miggy means pitchers might well have to get 4 outs per inning ad nauseum. It could be said that there would be more justification for signing Machado than Harper. Mind you, that doesn’t mean I’ve grown soft for the little punk, but if he’s being signed to play third there are few of any that can do it better than Machado. It would force Andujar to DH, and in turn Stanton to every day out field duty. Does that make us a better team?... most likely... A lot depends on the defensive projectability of Andujar, or if we could add to the pitching staff by ttading him...Only Cashman has a clue about those things...
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Post by goodyear on Feb 6, 2019 9:24:46 GMT -5
You can make arguments all day either way. With all the statistical analysis available they should be in a position to make the appropriate decision. Boston added one major piece to their lineup last year and it transformed their offense and that guy doesn't even play defense.
Bottom line is ownership wiling to spend the dollars when the analytics say go. This is the bigger question mark. They seem to be doing a lot more show than substance over the last 5 years.
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Post by chiyankee on Feb 6, 2019 10:37:39 GMT -5
Plenty of available talent out there:
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Post by greatfatness on Feb 6, 2019 10:44:27 GMT -5
I agree Ellsbury and A-Rod contract 2 were bad (even though we won a championship in 2009). I don't see the need to steer clear of big FA contracts though. Randy Johnson was only a two year deal. Pavano was a four year contract for 40 million. Hardly crippling. That's a really poorly written (and considered) article. But its RAB, so I expect that. But that aside, I agree with you that there isn't a need to steer clear of big FA contracts. However, there also isn't a compelling need to pursue them. Part of the cherry picking involved with the article is that because he's talking about the biggest contracts and salaries continue to inflate, these are the most recent and in recent years under Cashman they've been pretty good at placing these bets. However, not flawless - Hank's big idea to extend Roidriguez and Cashman's gamble on Ellsbury stand out. But they also were close to signing Shin Soo Choo to a 7 year $140m deal but they turned it down. That wouldn't have looked so great right about now. And they also offered Cano quite a big contract before he left. Add in guys like Burnett who they literally paid to go away and they're definitely not quite as flawless on this topic as the author presents. They've thrown money around when they've needed to. Before the spending splurges of 2009 and 2014 they had pretty clear needs that could not be addressed internally. They haven't had a homegrown inexpensive influx of talent like the one they're enjoying now since the mid 90s. And presumably they'd like to keep some of these kids who people are lining up to see play in the Bronx. The situation is different. I also think if Mike Trout were available right now, they'd have already signed him. The premise of the article seems to be that the author thinks there's a belief by the Yankees that long term contracts are inherently bad. I don't think we have a reason to know that to be true, and if the right player were available to address the right need, I think we'd see the team willing to make a long term top dollar offer.
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Post by greatfatness on Feb 6, 2019 11:24:15 GMT -5
I'd have to agree if you can get either Machado or Harper, preferably Harper on an 8 year deal then you get it done period. Adding either of them to their lineup would make them far better than what they have now, which is pretty awesome already. Not my money, but I wouldn't go 8 years on these guys at the salaries they're looking for. If either of them were open to a 3-4 year deal, that would be another story. I doubt they are.
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Post by inger on Feb 6, 2019 15:34:00 GMT -5
I'd have to agree if you can get either Machado or Harper, preferably Harper on an 8 year deal then you get it done period. Adding either of them to their lineup would make them far better than what they have now, which is pretty awesome already. Not my money, but I wouldn't go 8 years on these guys at the salaries they're looking for. If either of them were open to a 3-4 year deal, that would be another story. I doubt they are. Five or six years ago, when typical highly ranked FAs we’re getting 8-10 years, there was no choice but to offer those terms. What it seems several posters and scads of fans don’t realize (along with players and agents) is that the market no longer shows those contracts to be a wise investment. Times have changed, so why would the Yankees, or any team just “go ahead and get it done”? If they do, they’re foolishly reopening the door to those terms as acceptable on the market. Perhaps, if I were a GM who was enamored with either of these players, I might offer up a 5-6 year deal, which would take these guys to age 32-33, when peak production tends to end...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 18:33:54 GMT -5
Most of us were saying 5-6 years, which would take the two generational players to ages 32-33 respectively. I can't see how that length of deal could be considered outlandish.
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Post by noetsi on Feb 6, 2019 19:54:08 GMT -5
"If you just stop signing free agents you are putting yourself at a disadvantage."
I think, having watched Yankee free agency purchases since the 70's we would do better to develop our own talent and keep them - this would still involve signing your own free agents. I don't believe most big ticket free agents the Yankees brought over were worth it. If you have a serious need which you can not fill then occasionally that might make sense, but not on a regular basis as we have and particularly not when many of their years are past 35.
Something else that does not get mentioned is that (in my opinion) lots of free agents disrupts the chemistry of the team and leads to worse play than had they not been signed. Because people are not robots - this is something the Yankee administration long ignored I feel.
I think you have to think very carefully about the age of players you bring in over the length of the contract. What made the 2nd Arod contract idiotic to me is that no one was making a major effort to get him and we still massively upped the contract. Its like going once for 10 million, going twice for 10 million, sold to the Yankees for 20 million. We should have offered him far less than we did, he had few (really no) alternative. Of course I can't stand criminals/jerks on the Yankees and that biases my views.
For what its worth I think most teams have adapted many of these views, or their would be more offers and longer contracts.
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Post by inger on Feb 6, 2019 20:48:49 GMT -5
You’re straying a bit too far off the base, noetsi... making you easy to pick off. It’s all about judicious use of every tool at a team’s disposal. That means a mix of home-grown talent (which is an unpredictable and unreliable source of talent at the time it’s needed. Then judicious trades (but since you have to have what the other teams want if they’Rep willing trade partners)and finally when no other reasonable means is present, JUDICIOUS use of the free agent market.
You can’t simply will your young talent to come of age exactly when you need them, and most of that talent never does make the MLB...
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Post by domeplease on Feb 7, 2019 10:26:29 GMT -5
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Post by NewYawka on Feb 7, 2019 11:46:55 GMT -5
These players (and teams) need to take a page out of the NBA's book:
Machado and/or Harper signs a 1-year contract for $35-$40M with a player option for 2020 for $20-$25M. They get paid well above their worth for 2019. If they perform, they decline the option and go back into FA next year. If they don't perform or get hurt, they get the comfort that they have money in hand. They either get a 2-year contract worth an average of $30M per or they try to sign the big contract again next year.
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Post by chiyankee on Feb 7, 2019 13:01:31 GMT -5
It appears that Realmuto is heading to the Phils, so the Sixers aren't the only team Philly making trades.
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Post by noetsi on Feb 7, 2019 16:01:41 GMT -5
You’re straying a bit too far off the base, noetsi... making you easy to pick off. It’s all about judicious use of every tool at a team’s disposal. That means a mix of home-grown talent (which is an unpredictable and unreliable source of talent at the time it’s needed. Then judicious trades (but since you have to have what the other teams want if they’Rep willing trade partners)and finally when no other reasonable means is present, JUDICIOUS use of the free agent market. You can’t simply will your young talent to come of age exactly when you need them, and most of that talent never does make the MLB... We will have to disagree inger. All rules have limitations. After watching for years of Yankee free agency I prefer the rule I suggested. The bad cases you don't get as result of this rule will be far more important than the good cases you bring in. And we might stress our minor league development and talent acquisition more (scary thought).
Very few teams have ever used free agency well.
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Post by chiyankee on Feb 7, 2019 16:01:44 GMT -5
Come on, Jetes. The Yankees aren't stupid.
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