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Post by kaybli on Oct 30, 2018 20:25:52 GMT -5
I think Chuck is thinking of Sanchez having the second lowest batting average for a Yankee with over 300 At bats. Overall, his OPS was .697. That's not good, even for a catcher, but it not close to historically awful. For what its worth, Boston catchers had a collective .533 OPS. Anybody know who had the lowest for a Yankee with at least 300 ABs? Red Kleinow (.168 in 1908). Hat tip to RiverAveBlues. |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 30, 2018 20:27:36 GMT -5
I think Chuck is thinking of Sanchez having the second lowest batting average for a Yankee with over 300 At bats. Overall, his OPS was .697. That's not good, even for a catcher, but it not close to historically awful. For what its worth, Boston catchers had a collective .533 OPS. Anybody know who had the lowest for a Yankee with at least 300 ABs? My first thought was their SS in the mid-70s, a guy named Jim Mason. He hit .152 in 1975, but only had 223 ABs. The next year he brought that up to a lusty .180 in 217 ABs. Jim Mason had eight major league seasons with at least double-digit ABs. By a very long shot, his best hitting season was with the Yankees in 1974, when he hit .250 in 440 ABs. His next best effort was a pathetic .2016. After a while, you have to realize that a guy just isn't going to get going. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 30, 2018 20:31:20 GMT -5
Anybody know who had the lowest for a Yankee with at least 300 ABs? My first thought was their SS in the mid-70s, a guy named Jim Mason. He hit .152 in 1975, but only had 223 ABs. The next year he brought that up to a lusty .180 in 217 ABs. Jim Mason had eight major league seasons with at least double-digit ABs. By a very long shot, his best hitting season was with the Yankees in 1974, when he hit .250 in 440 ABs. His next best effort was a pathetic .2016. After a while, you have to realize that a guy just isn't going to get going. Haha. See, it didn't start with Aaron Boone after all. |
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Post by greatfatness on Oct 30, 2018 20:42:14 GMT -5
Anybody know who had the lowest for a Yankee with at least 300 ABs? Red Kleinow (.168 in 1908). Hat tip to RiverAveBlues. Remember when Cashman said at the winter meetings that “Red Kleinow is our center fielder”? |
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Post by kaybli on Oct 30, 2018 20:43:39 GMT -5
Red Kleinow (.168 in 1908). Hat tip to RiverAveBlues. Remember when Cashman said at the winter meetings that “Red Kleinow is our center fielder”? Just look at this handsome fella!:
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 30, 2018 20:51:30 GMT -5
Remember when Cashman said at the winter meetings that “Red Kleinow is our center fielder”? [img alt="  " class="smile" src="//storage.proboards.com/6828121/images/udcwFqPimnXDtjoTmoVL.gif"] Just look at this handsome fella!:
Great work, GF and Kaybli. How cool would it be for the Yankees to hold a day for him. The first 15,000 customers 14 and over get a Red Kleinow bobblehead. |
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Post by inger on Oct 30, 2018 22:10:40 GMT -5
[img class="smile" src="//storage.proboards.com/6828121/images/udcwFqPimnXDtjoTmoVL.gif" alt=" "] Just look at this handsome fella!:
Great work, GF and Kaybli. How cool would it be for the Yankees to hold a day for him. The first 15,000 customers 14 and over get a Red Kleinow bobblehead. They say he played like his hair was on fire... |
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Post by inger on Oct 30, 2018 22:49:19 GMT -5
If you read that Sanchez had the second worst season ever for a player with 300 ABs, I will tell you unequivocally without even looking it up that there is not one iota of truth to that. There have been many, many worse offensive seasons that didn’t occur in the dead ball era... The 18 PB. are indeed a black mark on his season, but not other-worldly bad. If we assume that he could have had double that many if he had played a full season, JC Martin had 33 one season for the Mets and several noted catchers have allowed 20 or so. I think Chuck is thinking of Sanchez having the second lowest batting average for a Yankee with over 300 At bats. Overall, his OPS was .697. That's not good, even for a catcher, but it not close to historically awful. For what its worth, Boston catchers had a collective .533 OPS. Okay, that would make a lot more sense. It occurred to me that Sanchez only had the second worst average of players with over 300 AB in the MLB this season due to the amazing shrinking batting average of Chris Davis. I can imagine Davis telling his wife “I was in the water! It’s shrinkage”!!! |
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Post by inger on Oct 30, 2018 23:06:48 GMT -5
This also reminded me of George Scott, who in 1968 was similarly victimized like Tom Tresh by the pitching witch that owned baseball that year. Scott hit .171/.237./238 after hitting .303 in 1967.
Scott recovered and had a fine career afterward...Like Sanchez, he was a young hitter who had already established himself as a fine hitter when the bottom suddenly fell out on him. At least, if the bottom didn’t fall out... he just...couldn’t...get...going...in almost 400 AB that season...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 7:09:16 GMT -5
We can only hope. I’m just bothered that the team seems to have so many “ifs”. Catcher, first, left field, short, starting pitching and an owner who probably doesn’t want to go over the magic number. I’m probably being too worried too early.
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 31, 2018 7:54:47 GMT -5
We can only hope. I’m just bothered that the team seems to have so many “ifs”. Catcher, first, left field, short, starting pitching and an owner who probably doesn’t want to go over the magic number. I’m probably being too worried too early. I agree we have some "ifs" Chuck. But so does Boston -- their outfield is solid and young and barring injuries should be good for years. Boegarts should be a fixture at SS. But second base and catcher are definitely areas where they could use an upgrade, and Devers has not yet established himself at third (although he clearly has potential). I don't think the Moreland/Pearce tandem at first will necessarily be effective for another year. Kimbrel is a FA. A lot will happen in the off-season. I see that JT Realmuto is essentially demanding a trade from Miami. I don't want Boston getting its dirty mitts on him. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 31, 2018 8:11:55 GMT -5
I read that average viewership for this year's World Series was down 25 percent from last year (Astros-Dodgers) and 40 percent from 2016 (Indians-Cubs). It was the fifth lowest of the modern era (Giants-Tigers in 2012 was the lowest ever, followed by Phillies-Rays in 2008, Giants-Royals in 2014 and Giants-Rangers in 2010.)
With two such large markets from teams with national followings, I find that really surprising.
For the record, the most-watched World Series ever (differs if you use average number of viewers or ratings share) were the 1978 Yankees-Dodgers and 1980 Phillies-Royals. Each of those averaged over 40 million viewers. The Red Sox-Dodgers averaged just under 13.4 million. One-third of the viewership of the pre-cable, pre-streaming Yankees-Dodgers of 40 years ago. I get the reasons, but still not good for our favorite sport.
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Post by inger on Oct 31, 2018 8:15:46 GMT -5
We can only hope. I’m just bothered that the team seems to have so many “ifs”. Catcher, first, left field, short, starting pitching and an owner who probably doesn’t want to go over the magic number. I’m probably being too worried too early. I agree we have some "ifs" Chuck. But so does Boston -- their outfield is solid and young and barring injuries should be good for years. Boegarts should be a fixture at SS. But second base and catcher are definitely areas where they could use an upgrade, and Devers has not yet established himself at third (although he clearly has potential). I don't think the Moreland/Pearce tandem at first will necessarily be effective for another year. Kimbrel is a FA. A lot will happen in the off-season. I see that JT Realmuto is essentially demanding a trade from Miami. I don't want Boston getting its dirty mitts on him. Realmuto is THE best catcher in the game right now, combined offense and defense...I doubt we see it, but I'd trade them Sanchez and a few other considerations without blinking...I know Sanchez still has that amazing "potential", but there are too many potential pitfalls to ignore. His size for one will either limit his years behind the plate or his effectiveness there...So is the slow-running Sanchez nearly as valuable at first base or DH? I think not...In fact...It's also very important to scoop balls in the dirt at first base...So that may not be the end game that works best for him... That said, I'm not on a crusade to give up on Sanchez. Sometimes an opportunity comes along that makes sense, and you just need to do what you have to do... |
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Post by inger on Oct 31, 2018 8:18:05 GMT -5
I read that average viewership for this year's World Series was down 25 percent from last year (Astros-Dodgers) and 40 percent from 2016 (Indians-Cubs). It was the fifth lowest of the modern era (Giants-Tigers in 2012 was the lowest ever, followed by Phillies-Rays in 2008, Giants-Royals in 2014 and Giants-Rangers in 2010.) With two such large markets from teams with national followings, I find that really surprising. For the record, the most-watched World Series ever (differs if you use average number of viewers or ratings share) were the 1978 Yankees-Dodgers and 1980 Phillies-Royals. Each of those averaged over 40 million viewers. The Red Sox-Dodgers averaged just under 13.4 million. One-third of the viewership of the pre-cable, pre-streaming Yankees-Dodgers of 40 years ago. I get the reasons, but still not good for our favorite sport. Every body was able to play the entire World Series on their X-Box in the days between the end of the Division Championships and the start of the World Series, so they all knew how it would turn out... (: |
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 31, 2018 9:07:43 GMT -5
I see that JT Realmuto is essentially demanding a trade from Miami. I don't want Boston getting its dirty mitts on him. Realmuto is THE best catcher in the game right now, combined offense and defense...I doubt we see it, but I'd trade them Sanchez and a few other considerations without blinking...I know Sanchez still has that amazing "potential", but there are too many potential pitfalls to ignore. His size for one will either limit his years behind the plate or his effectiveness there...So is the slow-running Sanchez nearly as valuable at first base or DH? I think not...In fact...It's also very important to scoop balls in the dirt at first base...So that may not be the end game that works best for him... That said, I'm not on a crusade to give up on Sanchez. Sometimes an opportunity comes along that makes sense, and you just need to do what you have to do... It would definitely be a gutsy move for the Yankees to make a play for Realmuto. Much of the near-term future of the Yanks depends on Sanchez being an All Star caliber player. If they move him and he becomes Bill Dickey, it could get ugly in The Bronx. General Managers get paid a lot of money to make these calls. At this point, I am more interested in Boston not adding JT to JD than I am in the Yanks getting him. But if somehow he showed up on the doorstep, I am sure the Yanks could figure something out. |
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