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Post by chiyankee on Feb 26, 2019 12:35:56 GMT -5
And shortly Harper will eclipse this deal. Are we seeing a changing tide where less guys go to free agency going forward? Very interesting dynamic right now. Arenado can also opt out after three years, so this is an all win situation for him. |
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Post by kaybli on Feb 26, 2019 12:39:59 GMT -5
I thought we were skipping out on Machado so we could nab Arenado next year according to some? Andujar better improve his defense.
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Post by NewYawka on Feb 26, 2019 12:45:18 GMT -5
And shortly Harper will eclipse this deal. Are we seeing a changing tide where less guys go to free agency going forward? Very interesting dynamic right now. Yanks should offer Judge a deal now...8 years, $144M-$160M...buy out his arbitration years, sign him until he is 34 and have great payroll flexibility later as he will never be earning $30M+ per year. Judge gets a huge raise this year and for the next few as he goes through arbitration and gets security in exchange for less up side down the road. |
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Post by greatfatness on Feb 26, 2019 12:47:51 GMT -5
Are we seeing a changing tide where less guys go to free agency going forward? Very interesting dynamic right now. Yanks should offer Judge a deal now...8 years, $144M-$160M...buy out his arbitration years, sign him until he is 34 and have great payroll flexibility later as he will never be earning $30M+ per year. Judge gets a huge raise this year and for the next few as he goes through arbitration and gets security in exchange for less up side down the road. I agree that would be great for the Yankees. Why would Judge do that? He and JBJ stand in a position to be the highest paid players in baseball not named Mike Trout. |
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Post by greatfatness on Feb 26, 2019 12:48:46 GMT -5
This is the kind of thing that can push the MLBPA to force a work stoppage. I read things like this and think that MLB and ownership is not very bright.
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Feb 26, 2019 12:54:54 GMT -5
Are we seeing a changing tide where less guys go to free agency going forward? Very interesting dynamic right now. Arenado can also opt out after three years, so this is an all win situation for him. Nearly all of these contracts seem to have that opt-out right around the midway point these days. Cano was actually one of the few in recent memory that didnt. I think this is the right move for Arenado and he should probably just stay there in Colorado...also spares some other team from overpaying him for Coors-juiced production. He is a better player as a Rockie than he would be elsewhere or at least thats what the numbers suggest to me. His splits are pretty extreme Coors vs. road and its actually been widening a bit over the years since he became a star in 2015 (see below). Take away the Coors effect and hes probably an .830 or so OPS guy which puts him closer to 40th overall rather than top 10 in baseball. His defense is spectacular and he adds a lot of value there but these big money contracts are largely skewed towards offense. | Year | Coors | Away | | 2018 | 1.105 | .772 | | 2017 | 1.036 | .886 | | 2016 | 1.030 | .832 | | 2015 | .960 | .835 |
Though a closer look at the numbers as I write this, I suppose he is more similar to Machado that I originally thought but maybe that just means that Machado was overvalued. |
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Post by kaybli on Feb 26, 2019 12:55:04 GMT -5
Yanks should offer Judge a deal now...8 years, $144M-$160M...buy out his arbitration years, sign him until he is 34 and have great payroll flexibility later as he will never be earning $30M+ per year. Judge gets a huge raise this year and for the next few as he goes through arbitration and gets security in exchange for less up side down the road. I agree that would be great for the Yankees. Why would Judge do that? He and JBJ stand in a position to be the highest paid players in baseball not named Mike Trout. Jackie Bradley Jr.? |
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Feb 26, 2019 12:56:14 GMT -5
Yanks should offer Judge a deal now...8 years, $144M-$160M...buy out his arbitration years, sign him until he is 34 and have great payroll flexibility later as he will never be earning $30M+ per year. Judge gets a huge raise this year and for the next few as he goes through arbitration and gets security in exchange for less up side down the road. I agree that would be great for the Yankees. Why would Judge do that? He and JBJ stand in a position to be the highest paid players in baseball not named Mike Trout. JBJ? Do you mean Mookie? |
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Post by greatfatness on Feb 26, 2019 12:58:06 GMT -5
I agree that would be great for the Yankees. Why would Judge do that? He and JBJ stand in a position to be the highest paid players in baseball not named Mike Trout. JBJ? Do you mean Mookie? Sorry, yes. Brain fart. |
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Post by greatfatness on Feb 26, 2019 13:01:30 GMT -5
Arenado can also opt out after three years, so this is an all win situation for him. Nearly all of these contracts seem to have that opt-out right around the midway point these days. Cano was actually one of the few in recent memory that didnt. I think this is the right move for Arenado and he should probably just stay there in Colorado...also spares some other team from overpaying him for Coors-juiced production. He is a better player as a Rockie than he would be elsewhere or at least thats what the numbers suggest to me. His splits are pretty extreme Coors vs. road and its actually been widening a bit over the years since he became a star in 2015 (see below). Take away the Coors effect and hes probably an .830 or so OPS guy which puts him closer to 40th overall rather than top 10 in baseball. His defense is spectacular and he adds a lot of value there but these big money contracts are largely skewed towards offense. | Year | Coors | Away | | 2018 | 1.105 | .772 | | 2017 | 1.036 | .886 | | 2016 | 1.030 | .832 | | 2015 | .960 | .835 |
Though a closer look at the numbers as I write this, I suppose he is more similar to Machado that I originally thought but maybe that just means that Machado was overvalued. I’m surprised they gave it here but they may doubt he’s going to exercise it. I heard CC say that when the Yanks put it on the table it sealed the deal for him because it eliminated the risk of him and his family being stuck in NY unhappy. |
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Feb 26, 2019 13:04:23 GMT -5
OKay in that case agreed...I dont think a Judge extension would be able to be as small as NewYawka proposed. It would probably have to be at least 7 years at $25mm per. I guess the one reason why Judge would consider doing it is that he wont be a free agent until his age 31 season because he was an oldish rookie so to get the buyout of his arb years and get the financial guarantee may be able to be sold to him (why is it any different than Arenado?). Could see the case either way on this one depending on what the terms of the deal are. |
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Post by greatfatness on Feb 26, 2019 15:02:11 GMT -5
OKay in that case agreed...I dont think a Judge extension would be able to be as small as NewYawka proposed. It would probably have to be at least 7 years at $25mm per. I guess the one reason why Judge would consider doing it is that he wont be a free agent until his age 31 season because he was an oldish rookie so to get the buyout of his arb years and get the financial guarantee may be able to be sold to him (why is it any different than Arenado?). Could see the case either way on this one depending on what the terms of the deal are. I agree. I think at the right price maybe he’d consider it. I also think the risk of labor uncertainty is motivating some of these deals. He and his agent have to be following these deals, thinking about Trout and thinking about what Mookie will do. On the flip side, as amazing as he has been these guys all have to think about injuries. He had a total fluke injury and it sidetracked him last year. So maybe that also factors in when these guys consider on what terms they’d value certainty over possible extreme upside. I’m interested to see what the Yanks do. He’s the kind of player you lock up. I also have suspected that Hal and Cashman have been planning to allow at least the possibility of signing Trout should be become available, as he truly is generational talent. You’d like to think it isn’t necessarily one or the other but there would have to be some consequences somewhere in the payroll and roster. |
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Feb 26, 2019 15:13:15 GMT -5
OKay in that case agreed...I dont think a Judge extension would be able to be as small as NewYawka proposed. It would probably have to be at least 7 years at $25mm per. I guess the one reason why Judge would consider doing it is that he wont be a free agent until his age 31 season because he was an oldish rookie so to get the buyout of his arb years and get the financial guarantee may be able to be sold to him (why is it any different than Arenado?). Could see the case either way on this one depending on what the terms of the deal are. I agree. I think at the right price maybe he’d consider it. I also think the risk of labor uncertainty is motivating some of these deals. He and his agent have to be following these deals, thinking about Trout and thinking about what Mookie will do. On the flip side, as amazing as he has been these guys all have to think about injuries. He had a total fluke injury and it sidetracked him last year. So maybe that also factors in when these guys consider on what terms they’d value certainty over possible extreme upside. I’m interested to see what the Yanks do. He’s the kind of player you lock up. I also have suspected that Hal and Cashman have been planning to allow at least the possibility of signing Trout should be become available, as he truly is generational talent. You’d like to think it isn’t necessarily one or the other but there would have to be some consequences somewhere in the payroll and roster. I think that Mookie will be a FA at 28 and Trout at 29 vs. Judge at 31 (and two years after those guys) is going to be a big factor. The "right side" / "wrong side" of 30 thing is going to come in to play, in my opinion. |
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Post by inger on Feb 26, 2019 15:46:47 GMT -5
I would expect the players to push for free agency after their 4th season, and for ownership to eventually settle for 5. Perhaps they may even phase in 4 years by starting st 5 and scheduling a future date for the 4 year limit. In turn, there would have to be an adjustment of the arbitration schedule...
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Feb 26, 2019 16:04:51 GMT -5
I would expect the players to push for free agency after their 4th season, and for ownership to eventually settle for 5. Perhaps they may even phase in 4 years by starting st 5 and scheduling a future date for the 4 year limit. In turn, there would have to be an adjustment of the arbitration schedule... Wonder if the other side of that coin is that draft signing bonuses/slot values are decreased then and an increase in compensation for losing a player that you spent time and resources developing but lost the rights to sooner. |
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