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Post by greatfatness on Jan 22, 2019 21:02:35 GMT -5
Four really good choices. Amazing the writers didn’t screw this one up.
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 22, 2019 21:04:33 GMT -5
Four really good choices. Amazing the writers didn’t screw this one up. Yeah, the old blind squirrel axiom. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 22, 2019 21:06:31 GMT -5
I think the veterans committee was replaced by a number of committees for specific time spans. If a pitcher from the era Mays pitched is not in, he probably won't. I think that was the only death on field in MLB history. Well if you don't count the birds killed by throws from the outfield  Think Winfield killed one... You're right Noetsi, to this day it remains the only such death. At least as far as human beings are concerned. Yep, Winfield got himself a seagull. I think Randy Johnson did too. |
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Post by greatfatness on Jan 22, 2019 21:26:03 GMT -5
Four really good choices. Amazing the writers didn’t screw this one up. Yeah, the old blind squirrel axiom. Well placido Polanco got two votes, so there’s still plenty of stupidity floating around in the BBWAA gene pool |
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Post by inger on Jan 22, 2019 21:26:30 GMT -5
The only one of the four I was wavering on was Mussina. Since he squeezed in at 76.whatever%, it would appear I wasn’t the only one that wavered. I’m good with him there, and would have been fine had he just missed. I guess the reporter who stated he was going to leave Mo off his ballot was just getting his 15 seconds of fame... Rivera is such a deserving person that I don’t mind the ill logic behind a relief pitcher being the first to be elected unanimously... Oh, to have the honor getting a plaque next to Harold Baines and Lee Smith...if only Wayne Causey could get in.., Mussina was definitely my fourth of the four, but I still think he is at least a reasonable choice. That leaves Carl Mays remaining as the only pitcher (excluding PED cases or otherwise ineligible) as the only pitcher with at least 100 more victories than losses not in the HOF. And of course Carl Mays was the guy who threw the pitch that killed Ray Chapman, and he was known as a headhunter even in that much rougher era, so I don't think there will be a groundswell to vote him in within the Veterans Committee or whatever it is called these days. Moose retains the distinction, along with Sandy Koufax, of being the only pitchers to win 20 games in their final season. With the way the game is played today, it's hard to imagine there being another one. Jeter goes in next year. Next unanimous too, I would wager. If they stupidly had to wait this long to put someone in unanimously, there could be no better choice than Mariano Rivera. I think next year is Larry Walker's last on the regular ballot. I have to look it up for myself, but I was reading one of the baseball sites recently which said that for all the insane gap between Walker's stats at Coors and everywhere else, his road slash line was just a tick below Ken Griffey Jr.'s overall slash line. I'm just repeating what I read -- always a dangerous proposition -- and nobody is saying Larry Walker = Ken Griffey Jr. But if that is in fact the case, Walker's bloated Coors stats are maybe hurting him more than they should. I'm still of open mind on this one. He seemed borderline HOF to me just based on watching him play. The home/road splits issue is one that is either overblown today or was ignored in the past...or both. Red Sox fans please stop reading here... Some numbers for Carl Yastrzemski that many will find surprising: Home .302/.402/.503 // 382 doubles Away .264/.357/.422 // 264 doubles Vs. RHP .299/.398/.492 // 10576 PA vs. LHP .244/.321/.371 // 3416 PA So for all he was at Fenway, on the road he was basically Brett Gardner. For all he was vs. RHP, he was oft-protected vs. LHP and when he did play against them he was basically Brett Gardner circa 2018, one of the worst seasons of Gardner’s career. But wait! Was he really Brett Gardner? Well, he built an undeserved reputation as a left fielder by playing clanks off the shortest LF wall in baseball. On the road he was an average fielder. One other oddity I picked up. While Yaz was never a great base theif, he was slightly above 60% stealing vs. RHP, while vs. LHP he was only successful on 12 of 36 attempts. I should think that revisionist history would find us many past stars that padded their stats at home that are already in the Hall of Fame. Is that truly their “fault”? Do GMs not consider whether or not a player seems to hit the ball in a manner or direction that will suit their home ball park? Of course they do! The player still has to take advantage of the opportunity to take advantage of the dimensions, or Astro-Turf or wind, or...whatever the site provides despite the opponent’s desire to stop them from doing so. I’d still have to think about Walker more, if only because his era saw so many players with huge offensive numbers that his don’t particularly leap off the page at me. But he is at least worth thinking about... |
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Post by noetsi on Jan 22, 2019 21:29:25 GMT -5
I think the veterans committee was replaced by a number of committees for specific time spans. If a pitcher from the era Mays pitched is not in, he probably won't. I think that was the only death on field in MLB history. Well if you don't count the birds killed by throws from the outfield Think Winfield killed one... You're right Noetsi, to this day it remains the only such death. At least as far as human beings are concerned. Yep, Winfield got himself a seagull. I think Randy Johnson did too. I was "watching" the Winfield game on the internet. The update took forever. And the results were....pretty wacky.
Wonder if you would get arrested if you killed an eagle in the US....
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Jan 22, 2019 21:31:08 GMT -5
Really great class. Hopefully Bonds, Clemens, Walker, and Schilling get in soon but I worry they wont. I figure McGriff will go in on Veterans Cmte.
I know why hes not getting much love but Manny Ramirez was among the Top 5 right handed hitters I have ever seen (along with ARod, Pujols, Miggy Cabrera, and Trout).
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Jan 22, 2019 21:33:03 GMT -5
Jeter is the only first ballot guy who will go in next year...none of the other guys on for the first time in 2020 will ever get in, I suspect.
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Post by noetsi on Jan 22, 2019 21:35:14 GMT -5
Really great class. Hopefully Bonds, Clemens, Walker, and Schilling get in soon but I worry they wont. I figure McGriff will go in on Veterans Cmte. I know why hes not getting much love but Manny Ramirez was among the Top 5 right handed hitters I have ever seen (along with ARod, Pujols, Miggy Cabrera, and Trout). I hope Bonds and Clemens never get in. Why reward criminal behavior.
Its not about ability alone. Felons should not get into the hall [and yes I know the felony conviction was overturned].
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Bonds_perjury_case
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Post by chiyankee on Jan 22, 2019 22:28:39 GMT -5
Four really good choices. Amazing the writers didn’t screw this one up. I agree, 4 great choices. I would have put Clemens, Bonds, McGriff, Schilling and Walker in too, but at least they got these four right. |
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Post by chiyankee on Jan 22, 2019 22:48:25 GMT -5
Here's a great Mussina stat I saw on Twitter from Sweeny Murti. I never saw this one.
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Post by inger on Jan 23, 2019 0:03:32 GMT -5
Here's a great Mussina stat I saw on Twitter from Sweeny Murti. I never saw this one. “All I can say is that the Yankees were my daddy”... |
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Jan 23, 2019 8:28:25 GMT -5
Mariano Rivera among 2019 HOF inductees
Mariano Rivera, Roy Halladay, Edgar Martinez, and Mike Mussina have been elected to the National Baseball Hall of Fame.
They'll be officially inducted this summer in Cooperstown, New York, along with Today's Game Era Committee selections Lee Smith and Harold Baines. Rivera and Halladay are in as first-ballot selections, and Mussina finally topped the 75-percent voting threshold in his sixth year on the ballot. It was a full 10-year wait for Martinez. Rivera, the all-time MLB leader in saves and a five-time World Series champion, received votes on 100 percent of the 425 ballots cast, becoming the first player ever to be voted in unanimously.
Source: BBWAA.com
Jan 22 - 6:21 PM
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 23, 2019 9:55:41 GMT -5
Well placido Polanco got two votes, so there’s still plenty of stupidity floating around in the BBWAA gene pool It never fails. Guys who have gotten HOF votes in the relatively recent past include Brad Radke, Aaron Sele, Armando Benitez, Lenny Dykstra, Danny Tartabull and Jacque Jones. Anybody, tell me your favorite Jacque Jones memories. |
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Post by inger on Jan 23, 2019 10:15:52 GMT -5
Well placido Polanco got two votes, so there’s still plenty of stupidity floating around in the BBWAA gene pool It never fails. Guys who have gotten HOF votes in the relatively recent past include Brad Radke, Aaron Sele, Armando Benitez, Lenny Dykstra, Danny Tartabull and Jacque Jones. Anybody, tell me your favorite Jacque Jones memories. Well, he did sing that theme song on "The Love Boat" pretty well... Oh, you said JACQUE, not Jack...So never mind... |
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