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Post by inger on Jan 25, 2019 14:18:19 GMT -5
I always heard Mussina was a difficult interview on most occasions. I doubt his reticence to speak had none to little to do with Kay, and if Mussina wasn’t in the mood to speak.
Personally, I feel as though the players should have the freedom to decided when to accept interviews and when. It to, but should temper those decisions with the knowledge that refusals are actually about denying the fans that pay their salaries of news that many fans are hungry for.
We don’t know if Mussina disliked Kay, orvif his dog died that morning. It’s a bit sad that one negative experience may have led to a lifetime feud, but also sad if Mussina was nearly impossible for many reporters to speak to...
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Post by chiyankee on Jan 25, 2019 14:24:28 GMT -5
Knowing the way Mussina was, I doubt he lost any sleep over the fact that he and Kay never spoke again. He didn't need the media's adulation.
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Post by greatfatness on Jan 25, 2019 14:41:26 GMT -5
Knowing the way Mussina was, I doubt he lost any sleep over the fact that he and Kay never spoke again. He didn't need the media's adulation. His election to the Hall is reminding me that a lot of writers and career baseball guys didn’t like Moose because he was a smart guy who read books and didn’t fuck around the way so many athletes did and he also didn’t kiss ass. For sure he probably hasn’t given this another thought and wouldn’t care what Kay thinks. But all these years later Kay has to bring it up. Says a lot about Kay. |
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Post by inger on Jan 25, 2019 14:46:58 GMT -5
I guess it’s only news if we care about it...
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Post by noetsi on Jan 25, 2019 17:15:16 GMT -5
Yes, there were 11 of the original 225 voters that left Ruth off their ballots. The only two logical explanations to me would be that he pissed them off at some point, or that even then there were egoists that decided no one deserved election on the first ballot. Neither is acceptable logic to me, but since nothing is acceptable I have to look for the most logical ill logic I can think of. There is also a third unacceptable illogical reason I can drum up, which would be anti-Yankee sentiment, which certainly had to exist given their dominance at the time in both on field performance and financial might. I put this one in a separate category because I feel it to be a bit sadder if a player was punished because of hatred for his team, and the logic weakens a bit more when Wagner’s case is viewed. Cobb also, but in his case he may have been hated enough on his own. Rumors still exist that he may have murdered three people. Since there was never any proof, I don’t even like to mention this, but rumor and innuendo go a long way toward damaging a reputation... Another possibility is that they felt there were 10 better players, which seems illogical, but some voters might not even have filled in 10 spots.
Sports writers did not belong to giant conglomerates in those days so one can not rule out animosity against the Yankees as an explanation.
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Post by noetsi on Jan 25, 2019 17:17:21 GMT -5
Kay bringing that up now is pretty sad. Even having a feud over something like that is sad.
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 25, 2019 20:58:05 GMT -5
Funny, I just had lunch today with a long-time friend from Mussina's hometown near Williamsport, PA. Mussina still lives there, and is well-known in the community. What comes across is that Mussina has done a lot of good things very quietly -- supposedly the Montoursville Little League Field is pretty much professional quality thanks to Moose -- but in public situations, like scheduled meet and greet situations at the local mall, he is not easy to deal with.
My friend, who has dealt with Moose on several occasions, said he has witnessed him do really cool things spontaneously. Like pitching in to personally deliver hoagies from a local shop when the place was overwhelmed. Just out of nowhere. I think he may be a bit like a long-ago Yankee hero Roger Maris -- a good small-town guy comfortable in a low-key environment, but basically not really outgoing and not a public person who cares about his media image.
For the most part I like Michael Kay as a broadcaster, but I think it was really crappy of him to come out with this story on this day. And I always got the impression that Mussina was not the most popular guy in the Yankee clubhouse, but maybe that was media propaganda from reporters who didn't get the kinds of quotes they wanted.
Remember he took a stat course with Jwild at Stanford. It would be nice to get his take on Moose. But I guess that is too much to hope for.
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Post by inger on Jan 25, 2019 22:33:48 GMT -5
I would put it this way. From everything I understand about Mussina, he’s probably a little like Trevor Bauer. Eccentric. A bit distant. Comfortable in his own skin, but not keen on pretending to be something he’s not. More briefly, genuine. Honest to a fault, so he’s not going to lie to make someone feel better.
In my book, that’s a damned decent human being. His pitching skills were a blessing that came with the curse of having to live a public life...
These type of people make great friends to a few people, but if they don’t click with you, you’re better off to stay out of their way. I would venture to say Michael Kay could aggravate that sort of personality because I see Kay as a celebrity (worshiper) who feels that he is also a celebrity that should be worshiped. Kay makes friend with a lot of people who are not really his friends, but he fails to recognize that because they’re his “friends” for the wrong reasons. Mussina ain’t pretending, so he resents that.
This has been inger psychology lesson #10673a.
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Post by greatfatness on Jan 26, 2019 8:09:58 GMT -5
I would put it this way. From everything I understand about Mussina, he’s probably a little like Trevor Bauer. Eccentric. A bit distant. Comfortable in his own skin, but not keen on pretending to be something he’s not. More briefly, genuine. Honest to a fault, so he’s not going to lie to make someone feel better. In my book, that’s a damned decent human being. His pitching skills were a blessing that came with the curse of having to live a public life... These type of people make great friends to a few people, but if they don’t click with you, you’re better off to stay out of their way. I would venture to say Michael Kay could aggravate that sort of personality because I see Kay as a celebrity (worshiper) who feels that he is also a celebrity that should be worshiped. Kay makes friend with a lot of people who are not really his friends, but he fails to recognize that because they’re his “friends” for the wrong reasons. Mussina ain’t pretending, so he resents that. This has been inger psychology lesson #10673a. Trevor Bauer is an asshole. He’s gone out of his way to troll people online. Mussina is a guy who kept to himself and has spent his time out of baseball on family and community service. Those two don’t belong in the same sentence. |
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Post by greatfatness on Jan 26, 2019 8:16:11 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Jan 26, 2019 11:16:27 GMT -5
This is the lone exception...It was weird...Prior to that, he seemed to stay to himself, and even interviewed each one of his team mates to ask why he isn't well-liked so he could see what he could do to fit in better. He lacks social skills and social intellect to some degree. I had sort of put this story aside at the time I wrote that. The other thing he did, which was the injury playing with his drone was also on a different plane than Mussina, because I think Mussina would avoid doing anything that might jeopardize even a moment of his work. I still maintain the personality types to be similar. In this case, as you point out, the choices made are different...As for Nikki Giles, the only things we know about her are what we see in the twitter feed and that she got her 15 minutes of fame out of it... |
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Post by noetsi on Feb 5, 2019 20:48:47 GMT -5
Glad he wasn't a Yankee.
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