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Post by pippsheadache on Apr 25, 2019 11:28:01 GMT -5
In addition to the obvious -- that it hurts the club to lose him right now and he was so hot -- it's sad that Frazier never seems to be able to play when his biggest opportunities are there. The Yankees are now starting guys who, other than Gardner, are at best seventh on the OF depth chart.
While this level of injuries is unprecedented, even looking forward, the Yankees are loaded with players who have missed large chunks of the season multiple times.
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Post by rizzuto on Apr 25, 2019 12:25:21 GMT -5
In addition to the obvious -- that it hurts the club to lose him right now and he was so hot -- it's sad that Frazier never seems to be able to play when his biggest opportunities are there. The Yankees are now starting guys who, other than Gardner, are at best seventh on the OF depth chart. While this level of injuries is unprecedented, even looking forward, the Yankees are loaded with players who have missed large chunks of the season multiple times. Very true. Stanton played injured last season, Judge is injured second year in a row, Sanchez two years on the DL, Didi second time in two years, Hicks has been hurt every year it seems, Frazier two years in a row, Torres was hurt last year and Andujar this year, it just doesn’t seem to end. Every decade pundits declare that athletes are bigger, stronger, and faster...but durability these days is pathetic. |
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Post by noetsi on Apr 25, 2019 12:46:40 GMT -5
I think as they become more athletic they are more liable to injury. They are taking the body places it was not really designed for. Still other teams are not in the same boat we are.
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Post by pippsheadache on Apr 25, 2019 13:24:09 GMT -5
In addition to the obvious -- that it hurts the club to lose him right now and he was so hot -- it's sad that Frazier never seems to be able to play when his biggest opportunities are there. The Yankees are now starting guys who, other than Gardner, are at best seventh on the OF depth chart. While this level of injuries is unprecedented, even looking forward, the Yankees are loaded with players who have missed large chunks of the season multiple times. Very true. Stanton played injured last season, Judge is injured second year in a row, Sanchez two years on the DL, Didi second time in two years, Hicks has been hurt every year it seems, Frazier two years in a row, Torres was hurt last year and Andujar this year, it just doesn’t seem to end. Every decade pundits declare that athletes are bigger, stronger, and faster...but durability these days is pathetic. Yep. Hicks leads the pack, with seven IL stints in his seven-year career. Sanchez has four times in three years. Judge now three times in four years. Didi missed a month in 2018 and now this. Andujar on the list last year and this year, again a minimum of a month each time. Frazier back to back years. Gleyber had a fairly long DL string last year, plus his lost time in the minors. Stanton was a DL regular until 2017-18, and he's returned to the trend this year. That leaves aside pitchers, who we just expect to get hurt, and ridiculous cases like Bird and Ellsbury. And of course Tulowitzki, who everyone knew would be injured. There do not appear to be any answers. Most of these players are young. You can't just dump them. But realistically, based on their histories, you can't expect them to become durable as they age. These aren't one-off flukes. I guess you just basically hope to get a good half to three quarters of a season from them, and also hope they don't all go down at once like this year. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Apr 25, 2019 13:44:28 GMT -5
I think as they become more athletic they are more liable to injury. They are taking the body places it was not really designed for. Still other teams are not in the same boat we are. For ages it was axiomatic in baseball that weight-lifting made you more vulnerable to injuries. Players were for the most part only too happy to concur. Eddie Murray, who wasn't exactly from the distant past, was famously averse to weight training, yet still managed to hit over 500 home runs while rarely missing large numbers of games. I don't question that modern training and conditioning programs make players stronger. I do question if it makes them less susceptible to serious injuries. In fact I think a case can be made that more players miss time due to injuries now than in the past. Just look at the number of players teams need to use to get through a season now compared to 50 years ago. As has often been noted -- first time I heard it was from Sparky Anderson, but I'm sure it pre-dates him -- you can't strain fat. Nobody is going back to old school training and conditioning regimens. But it looks to me incontrovertible that part of this means accepting a larger number of long-term injuries, at least until there are significant advances in treating them. Which probably will happen. Hopefully today for the sake of the Yankees. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Apr 25, 2019 14:21:28 GMT -5
Because beating dead horses makes us stronger, and because all of these injuries have ticked me off enough to send me rummaging through the archives, I checked the Yankees rosters for each season since the 162 game schedule was introduced in 1961. I wanted to see for each season how many players played at least 140 games, not counting strike years.
For the vast majority of those years, the Yankees averaged between four and five players who played at least 140 games. The highest mark was eight in 2007.
In only two seasons did the Yankees have as few as two players play at least 140 games. One was 1967, when they stunk and were scrambling to find major league caliber players to put out there. The other was 1985, when they didn't stink but had enough injuries to make it happen.
The only players on this team who even in late April have any chance to play in 140 games are Luke Voit, Gleyber Torres, DJ LeMahieu and Brett Gardner. It's hard to imagine that Gardner will make it, and the way Voit is constructed it's only a matter of time before he pulls something. This could well be the first Yankee team in the 59 year history of the 162 game schedule to not have at least two players get into 140 games. Hope not, but it's a real possibility.
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Post by kaybli on Apr 25, 2019 14:29:35 GMT -5
Because beating dead horses makes us stronger, and because all of these injuries have ticked me off enough to send me rummaging through the archives, I checked the Yankees rosters for each season since the 162 game schedule was introduced in 1961. I wanted to see for each season how many players played at least 140 games, not counting strike years. For the vast majority of those years, the Yankees averaged between four and five players who played at least 140 games. The highest mark was eight in 2007. In only two seasons did the Yankees have as few as two players play at least 140 games. One was 1967, when they stunk and were scrambling to find major league caliber players to put out there. The other was 1985, when they didn't stink but had enough injuries to make it happen. The only players on this team who even in late April have any chance to play in 140 games are Luke Voit, Gleyber Torres, DJ LeMahieu and Brett Gardner. It's hard to imagine that Gardner will make it, and the way Voit is constructed it's only a matter of time before he pulls something. This could well be the first Yankee team in the 59 year history of the 162 game schedule to not have at least two players get into 140 games. Hope not, but it's a real possibility. Great research but depressing results pipps! |
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Post by noetsi on Apr 25, 2019 17:45:23 GMT -5
"Yep. Hicks leads the pack, with seven IL stints in his seven-year career. Sanchez has four times in three years. Judge now three times in four years. Didi missed a month in 2018 and now this. Andujar on the list last year and this year, again a minimum of a month each time. Frazier back to back years. Gleyber had a fairly long DL string last year, plus his lost time in the minors. Stanton was a DL regular until 2017-18, and he's returned to the trend this year. That leaves aside pitchers, who we just expect to get hurt, and ridiculous cases like Bird and Ellsbury"
I was going to suggest looking for players who did not have a history of being hurt, but I don't know if that is even possible. Or whether you lose as a result, to me we seem to have a lot more injuries than other teams, but maybe that is just random chance. I used to think it occurred because our players were older, but that is no longer true.
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Post by chiyankee on Apr 25, 2019 17:57:10 GMT -5
Injury updates:
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Post by maizeyanks on Apr 26, 2019 16:27:28 GMT -5
@eboland11
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Another significant step today for Andujar. In first extended spring game of his rehab Andujar played five innings at third and went 2 for 3 with a walk
@eboland11
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Should add on to that Andujar line: one of the hits was a two-run HR. So again: five innings at third today in extended spring game in Tampa. Went 2 for 3 with a two-run HR and a walk.
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Some welcomed good news as long as Miggy's shoulder doesn't fall off tonight, which isn't out of the question with the way things have gone this year.
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Post by rizzuto on Apr 26, 2019 17:14:17 GMT -5
@eboland11 17m Another significant step today for Andujar. In first extended spring game of his rehab Andujar played five innings at third and went 2 for 3 with a walk @eboland11 15m Should add on to that Andujar line: one of the hits was a two-run HR. So again: five innings at third today in extended spring game in Tampa. Went 2 for 3 with a two-run HR and a walk. -- Some welcomed good news as long as Miggy's shoulder doesn't fall off tonight, which isn't out of the question with the way things have gone this year. The guy just hits. Can’t wait for him to return. |
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Post by inger on Apr 26, 2019 18:43:49 GMT -5
Lol at Pipps and the Voit’s construction content. What would the Stay-Puft Marshmallow man, the Michelin Man, and the Pillsbury Doughboy look like if they lifted weights and swung sledge hammers???
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Post by noetsi on Apr 26, 2019 20:20:01 GMT -5
Just use him as a DH until Stanton returns.
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Post by kaybli on Apr 28, 2019 11:32:11 GMT -5
Yankees' Miguel Andujar, Troy Tulowitzki, Aaron Hicks are making progress on injury front
Miguel Andujar (small tear, right labrum) is scheduled to begin a minor league rehab assignment on Tuesday for Class A Tampa.
Troy Tulowitzki (strained left calf) participated in a simulated game on Saturday, and the shortstop is due to begin playing in extended spring training games beginning on Monday.
Hicks could play in his first extended spring training game on Wednesday.
Jacoby Ellsbury on hold
What’s outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury up to in Florida?
It’s hard to say.
“(He’s) just kind of dealing with different things, so (he’s) not that far along,’’ Boone said of the “number of little things that continue to pop up’’ in his recovery from hip surgery last August.
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Post by noetsi on Apr 28, 2019 14:38:50 GMT -5
'Troy Tulowitzki (strained left calf) participated in a simulated game on Saturday'
Does that mean he played Stratomatic baseball?
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