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Post by kaybli on Sept 14, 2019 22:49:43 GMT -5
Who are all these rouges gallery characters the Blue Jays are trotting out to start?  |
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Post by inger on Sept 14, 2019 23:02:11 GMT -5
Who are all these rouges gallery characters the Blue Jays are trotting out to start? I like replies in this thread. I try not to leave a whole lot of questions to ask, though. I think one look at the standings and their 91 losses is pushing the Jays to rush pitchers through the system to catch up with the young hitters that they’ve already promoted to shorten the time back to contention. With 2019 deeper in the toilet than they expected, they want to get a look at these guys. I didn’t check, but should have... I think this guy was a college pitcher, just like today’s starter. Rush, rush...They can either showcase them or plan on building a staff around them... |
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Post by inger on Sept 14, 2019 23:05:17 GMT -5
Nope, started in the Jays .org at 20 yrs old...Not really ready without a better curve and change up in my opinion, but that hard sinker running either direction with late action along with a slider and he could tough in the bullpen now. That’s not what they want though...
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Post by inger on Sept 16, 2019 23:05:59 GMT -5
6/17 vs. Anaheim Angels / Jose Suarez 2-6; 6.84
The 21-year old LH is listed at 5’10” and 170 pounds. Well, he WAS 170 pounds about 2-3 years ago. And he WAS still growing. Wider only. He’s now listed at 225. Maybe he... well, probably not. He probably just got fat.
He also failed to break camp this spring due to shoulder soreness, but rehabbed through that. He hasn’t featured his former top end of 95 MPH this season so far, and his once-burgeoning K-rate in AAA has dropped considerably both in AAA in MLB this far.
He’s young. He was once ranked at #79 on BBA’s National
Prospect List, so maybe there is more here than meets the eye.
RHH are mauling him at .341/.415/.626. His limited high leverage stats show .514/.424/.586 with 5/5 SB under pressure in just 33 such AB.
He’s been assaulted for 20 HR in only 71.1 MLB innings. His last 8 games, (6 starts), he’s been 0-5, 8.64.
4S FB, 92. Mostly straight, with a bit of sink. Hard to imagine a pitch with this description fleshing out 45-50% of his pitch mix, but it does.
Change up, 82. Nice speed differential, and has strong cut and some sink. Is reducing usage, but still at 20-25% of mix.
Curve, 76. Slow, but sweeping glove side movement with a bit of late bite. Gets hit in the air. Throwing more of these as the season moves along, now up to 25-28%.
Slider, 81. The fly ball pitch has 2-plane movement. Is only seen about 3 times per game.
Sinker, 91. Has been an extreme fly ball pitch in limited usage. Seems reluctant to trust this pitch since promotion to MLB, though three three of them his first start in September (the only ones detected to date).
The home run count reveals his lack of command of the edges of the zone. He’s very young, so it may be a while before we see what he can do. Maybe he’ll find those missing 3 MPH. He seems too susceptible to the hard hitting line ups, allowing 11.1 hits per nine and such a high HR rate...
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Post by inger on Sept 17, 2019 22:48:18 GMT -5
9/18/19 vs. Anaheim Angels / Dillon Peters 3-3; 4.83 Age 26, Throw L
The move from Miami to Anaheim has been good for Dillon so far. There have adjustments to his repertoire, and a bit more success for him. Still, there are more challenges ahead for him. His first-inning ERA (career numbers used for entire report) is a Paxton-like 8.27 and batters attack his first 25 pitches to the lusty time of a .402/.507/.598 slash line.
He is highly ground ball centric, yet his HR rate is on the higher side at 3.0/9. He will tend to lose the plate and allow walks in spates. His BB/9, while improving is still at 3.9/9.
He relies on weak contact, and can get quite a bit of it when he is locating the fast ball and can mix in his somewhat erratic off sped stuff. To hold the Yankees down, he’ll need to get past those early pitches and the first inning problems. It may not help him that he’s never faced the Yankees before, nor pitched in Yankee Stadium.
4S FB; 91. Pretty straight, command is in and out but can be good in stretches. Moves the pitch around well. It’s a fly ball pitch, so Yankee batters will be happy to know they’ll see about 45-50% of these used.
Curve, 77. Sharp downward bite and a bit of sweep. It’s an exceptional ground ball pitch, and is used about 20-25% of the time. In his rookie year in Miami, this pitch was utilized about 37% of the time.
Change, 84. A bit firm and only a 7 MPH differential from the fast ball, but his arm motion is good with it, getting him excellent ground ball rates. His transformation sees him using the pitch 20-30% of the time.
Sinker, 91. Gets swings and misses with it. Some days he has it, and uses it 10% of the time. Some days he keeps it in the quiver.
Slider, 83. A high contact pitch that gets great ground ball results that used to be used 10-25%, is now down to 1-3 pitches per 100.
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Post by rizzuto on Sept 17, 2019 23:07:55 GMT -5
We just might put a lid on Dill Peters...
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Post by inger on Sept 18, 2019 8:41:27 GMT -5
BTW, with September roster expansions I’ve dug a bit deeper on some of these young guys getting their first and second starts. I’ve discovered a good prospect site called 2080 Baseball that is quite good and you guys might enjoy. I tried it for a couple of veteran players and they didn’t show up there, which makes me think the site is relatively young, and that all reviews are intended to be for prospects...
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Post by kaybli on Sept 18, 2019 9:29:57 GMT -5
BTW, with September roster expansions I’ve dug a bit deeper on some of these young guys getting their first and second starts. I’ve discovered a good prospect site called 2080 Baseball that is quite good and you guys might enjoy. I tried it for a couple of veteran players and they didn’t show up there, which makes me think the site is relatively young, and that all reviews are intended to be for prospects... Thanks, I'll check it out! |
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Post by inger on Sept 19, 2019 0:36:20 GMT -5
6/19 vs. Anaheim Angels / Andrew Heaney 4-5; 4.76 / LH
Forgot to note his height weight, but oh well. Bout so high and so wide. I think a bit small like most of Anaheim’s pitchers so far.
His career has been constantly side tracked to a point that at 28, it’s hard to really say how talented he might be if he could stay healthy. In 6 MLB seasons, mostly as s starting pitcher, Heaney has only accumulated a record of 20-25 in just 427 innings.
Though it’s not a career trend, this season he’s posted reverse stats with left-handlers hitting him at a slash of .299/.349/.506. He’s had difficulty on the road throughout his career, with a 7-13 record, but won his only decision in three starts against the Yankees while putting up a 1.70 ERA in three total starts.
As in his career, this season has seen Healey tend to pitch to fly ball contact and hold batters to a .211 average on flies and a .315 average in grounders. His BA allowed of .603 vs. line drives as well as his line drive rate are actually better than MLB average.
His first time through the order this season, he’s held batters to a .195 BA, but the second time through it’s .269, and followed by .328 the third time facing them. He hasn’t seen any hitters a fourth time yet in his 16 starts. He’s stumbled in September so far with an 8.79 ERA in three starts. Indications are that he’s struggling to come to terms with best friend Tyler Skaggs death, and now new allegations of a drug and alcohol cocktail that appears to have been the cause of death.
Sinker, 93. Hard velo for a sinker. Very little sink, too. More apt to get swings and misses than to get grounders, has a tendency to be hit in the air. About 55% of his mix.
Curve, 80. Again, quite fast and with little depth compared to many curves, gets some swing and miss and is hit in the air.
Change up, 85. Has some natural sink and arm side fade. Like his other two offerings, tends to get airborne.
Only three pitches, none exceptional. I’d swear the Angels just put different faces and uniforms and send the same guy to the mound every day. The description is always sort of average to mediocre. No wonder Trout and Ohsani are not enough.
It’s hard not to root for a guy who’s constantly rehabbing, but he can wait at least one more start to turn his career around, right?...
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Post by inger on Sept 19, 2019 22:38:31 GMT -5
8/10/19 vs. Toronto Blue Jays Jacob Waguespack 3-1; 4.00 Are the Blue Jays just making up names for pitchers and putting somebody on the mound? This is the first I’ve ever heard of this guy. He’s a big fellow at 6’6” and 235. Intimidation rules... until you see the pitches. He was a non-descript reliever at Mississippi, had so-so numbers in his minor league days, but here he is, with a non-descript repertoire, and recently he’s been getting impressive results, posting two consecutive 6 inning starts and allowing a total of one run on seven hits between them. 4S FB at 93 has little movement but has been getting lots of not only swings and misses, but ground ball action as well. Since he throws it about 40% of the time, one wonders how he’s doing this. The 90 MPH curter he throws about 20% of the time appears to be his best offering with plenty of cut and good sink. Soft ground ball contact has been plentiful. He throws his 80 MPH 12-6 curve about 15% of the time. It’s usually a hittable flyball strike. He can start it high in the zone or lower. It’s seldom bounced, but he will sometimes entice weak contact with it below the zone. There is a 90 MPH sinker that has less sink than his cutter and only a tiny bit of armside movement. It’s flyball tendencies seem to belie the intent of a sinker (as does the lack of true sink), but oh well. Change up is at 84, the surprising cut on this pitch along with good swing and miss screams loudly “use me more”. So far it’s a 5% utilization pitch, so don’t tell him, please. It does have some scary backspin. Perhaps there is concern about the long flyball tendency when contact is made. There is a slider that for some reason I’m not getting a speed nor any other usage information on. It’s a slider, and given the rest of the velos it’s reasonable to put it in the mid 80’s. I see from his scatter charts on Baseball Savant that it’s almost always placed in a location where he appears to be trying to back door lefties with it and is often down and away with it. That seems weird for a RH pitcher. Could he be trying to front door RHH? Again weird. Tease lefties into swinging with itvwhen it’s down and a away? Unreasonably weird now. He hasn’t been around long, so everything is still fairly tiny samples, only a total of 36 innings. This far he’s been much tougher for lefties, allowing them only 11 hits and no HR in 16.2 innings against 50 outs if you will). Right handers have 26 hits in 19.1 innings (58 outs) and have struck 4 HR. He starts ofc games strong for a couple of innings, with trouble more apt to start popping up in the third, fourth, or fifth, though he avoided those troubles in his two most recent starts. There isn’t much ammunition for this young man, even with an arsenal of six pitches. He probably will get better when he puts a couple of those offerings on the scrap heap and learns to do whatever it is he does best, but his 4.00 ERA is back this far by a 4.13 FIP due to a lower than MLB average walk rate. For me, I’d suggest more cutters and change ups with a usage reduction of his 4-seamer and I’m mystified by the slider at this point. The curve has some potential but seems scary when it’s up in the zone... All I know is what’s in this report, which is not like watching him pitch...not at all... Bump. Since last facing the Yanks and allowing 3 runs in 3.2 innings on Aug. 10, Waguespack has started 5 times, with a 1-4 record and a 4.94 ERA. He’s pitched 23 innings, not bad for 5 starts in the current environment... He appears to be settling into his starting role in Toronto... Wageuspack Gets a bump He’s back... |
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Post by inger on Sept 19, 2019 22:51:32 GMT -5
That was my challenge to Wu Tang. Guess I’ll stay out of rap...
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Post by kaybli on Sept 19, 2019 22:55:45 GMT -5
That was my challenge to Wu Tang. Guess I’ll stay out of rap... [img alt="  " src="//storage.proboards.com/6828121/images/udcwFqPimnXDtjoTmoVL.gif" style="max-width:100%;" class="smile"] your Wu Tang name shall be Shallah Five Ingers of Death!
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Man with the Iron Ass!
Check out my Gravel Pit!
(Wu Tang actually has a song called Gravel Pit):
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Post by inger on Sept 19, 2019 23:29:57 GMT -5
That was my challenge to Wu Tang. Guess I’ll stay out of rap... [img style="max-width:100%;" alt=" " class="smile" src="//storage.proboards.com/6828121/images/udcwFqPimnXDtjoTmoVL.gif"] your Wu Tang name shall be Shallah Five Ingers of Death!
or
Man with the Iron Ass!
Check out my Gravel Pit!
(Wu Tang actually has a song called Gravel Pit):
I made it through 1:22 of that interesting “song”. LOL. Sixty five year old white man born in KK KLAN country. I’m the man Raised near the Klan Checkin’ out The Wu Tang Clan Wu-Tang Wu-Kool Aid, too Understand me? Then I understand you I can polish your shoe If you do mine, too Why you gotta cuss? Raise such a fuss Our skin don’t match Is that the catch? Our insides do That’s the natch Always laughed at that Klan Dumb old white man Fraid he ain’t gone away Til past our dying day If we have half a brain We put this all down the drain A man is a man If he lives all he can |
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Post by inger on Sept 20, 2019 22:26:12 GMT -5
09/15/2019 vs. Toronto Blue Jays / TJ Zeuch 0-0; 5.40 The 6’ 7” 225 right-hander is twenty four years old. He’s making his second MLB start and third appearance of the season and of his MLB career. To date, he has allowed 5 runs in 8.1 innings pitched, both fanning and walking 5. He has a loose and compact arm motion from a 3/4 slot, coming from the 3B side of the rubber. He pitches from a full wind up, repeating his mechanics well for a relatively young pitcher with so much height. FB is 92-94. Adjusts his grip for directional movement, seemingly aiming for the middle of the plate, and allowing the various movement to cut or run the ball to the outer edges with late movement. He tends to elevate this pitch on occasion, leading to hard contact, but overall the pitch also has good late sink, so gets lots of ground balls. An excellent pitch that can be troublesome for hitters. Curve, 76-78 MPH. 12-6 movement is less than most will almost no horizontal movement. It becomes more effective due to the change of speed and consistent arm slot. Slider, 82-83. Has mostly late vertical movement but he keeps it down very well and gets plenty of ground balls with it. Change up, 84-85. Does not have good feel for this pitch, but will need it to move above a 4th to 5th starter presence. So far has only shown a tendency in minors to throw this pitch to LHH. He telegraphs the pitch noticeably and it often is well out of the hitting zone. Overall, he controls his FB and the slider extremely well, and the curve is usually also around the zone. He doesn’t miss bats, if he gets that change up working and maybe finds a bit more bite on his curve he could be more of a front end of the rotation starter. Overall, there is a lot to like here. A pitcher to watch, and capable of some shut down work if he can get the ground balls hit to the right place at the right time. Watch for elevation. That could be his downfall in any given game. He’d do best to stick to what he does best against better hitting teams and experiment in side sessions and against weaker hitters in low leverage situations for now... Another bump. It’s good for me, as I’ve been delightfully busy of late... T. J. Zeuch re-deux... |
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Post by inger on Sept 21, 2019 21:38:33 GMT -5
6/26 vs. Blue Jays / Trent Thornton Smaller RHP features a good FB at 93-95, but can top out at 97 with riding action and near elite spin rate. He has an equally tough curve ball that does have elite spin and a sharp break. He used to throw a slider, but it’s now been replaced by a cutter with sharp inward tail to right handed hitters. He has a change up that needs more work and he needs to trust it more vs. LHH to begin getting them out. They hit him to the tune of .280 and a SLG of .521. Watch for Didi and Brett today! He has a funky delivery that does not stop him from throwing strikes with above average control being the norm. In addition to his struggles with LHH he has also struggled mightily the second time through the batting order, which has resulted in his getting tattooed for a 1.161 SLG in the third inning. His stuff is quite good, but whether he should be a starter is in question as he seems so far to profile more as a reliever that could get 4-6 outs. He pitched against the Yanks earlier this month and allowed 4 runs, 5 hits and a homer in that outing... Bumping Trent Thornton... This is his third start vs. the Yankees this season. He was pretty bad in the first two starts, but in his last one on August 11, he only allowed one run on three hits vs. the Bombers. The Yanks won that game with a late comeback. He is 0-1; 6.28 over all vs. NY this season. After that start Thornton had four more starts that were somewhat mediocre and was pulled from the starting rotation. Since then he has pitched twice as a “bulk innings” pitcher. First he pitched 5 no-hit innings, allowing only a walk to mar his performance vs. the Red Sox, then he pitched another fine 5 innings vs. the Orioles, allowing 1 run on three hits and a walk. Though he’s listed as tomorrow’s starter, we could indeed see an opener pitch ahead of Thornton, since that has been an effective tactic of late for him and the Blue Jays... |
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" src="//storage.proboards.com/6828121/images/udcwFqPimnXDtjoTmoVL.gif" style="max-width:100%;" class="smile"] your Wu Tang name shall be Shallah Five Ingers of Death!