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Post by noetsi on Jul 15, 2019 23:25:36 GMT -5
the numbers for the Yankees are different. Moreover this is their entire career, people get worse as they get older and chapman has not reached that stage. I looked for their Yankee not all MLB career for a reason. That’s irrelevant. You averred that they were better than Chapman. Now, you want to factor in Chapman’s future blown saves, which have not yet occurred? Its irrelevant to you. I only care about a player's performance on the Yankees. I could care less what they do on other teams. I think Sori was a better closer on the Yankees than Chapman has been this year - I suspect Robertson was as well |
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Post by noetsi on Jul 15, 2019 23:28:05 GMT -5
Kaybli this was my first comment comparing players. Note the term "our". That means as a Yankee. Not their MLB records.
But I would have preferred Robertson or Soriano to chapman when they were our closers.
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Post by kaybli on Jul 15, 2019 23:29:56 GMT -5
Here's Roberston's numbers. Do the math yourself. I'm tired of this:
I must be a masochist because I calculated Robertson's save percentage as a Yankee: 72.6 percent. Not even close to Chapman's.
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Post by anthonyd46 on Jul 15, 2019 23:53:09 GMT -5
Billy Squire: Will it go round in circles? |
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Post by inger on Jul 15, 2019 23:57:34 GMT -5
Billy Squire: Will it go round in circles? Thank you. Yes, Billy PRESTON. Good song. Fits many recent posting episodes of late... |
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Post by rizzuto on Jul 16, 2019 0:00:21 GMT -5
Just keep moving those goal posts and cherry pick away to your liking, noetsi. Noetsi is the red herring anthropomorphized, in which the arguer ignores the opponent’s argument by subtly changing the subject to rescue failed assertions. |
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Post by inger on Jul 16, 2019 0:03:38 GMT -5
In Robertson’s career, he has saved 137 of 172 opportunities or .7965% In Soriano’s career, he saved 207 of 245 opportunities or .8449% In Chapman’s career, he has saved 261 of 292 opportunities or .8938% Okay, Russ? I know what the predictable Noetsi will say. It only matters what they did for the Yankees. As if one season of being the closer proves anything for Soriano. Or Roberston's sporadic closing with the Yankees means anything. Which of course reduces the matter to small sample sizes. Meaningless drivel that leads to many people pulling stats and doing the research. Sadly, this is a bit reminiscent of T. Marino stirring the pot with circular bullshit while he reached into his underwear and giggled at us. Russ! Go to your room! Bad, bad Russ!... |
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Post by rizzuto on Jul 16, 2019 0:05:05 GMT -5
Here's Roberston's numbers. Do the math yourself. I'm tired of this:
I must be a masochist because I calculated Robertson's save percentage as a Yankee: 72.6 percent. Not even close to Chapman's.
I know...why did we take the time to even look up the numbers? |
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Post by rizzuto on Jul 16, 2019 0:06:45 GMT -5
I know what the predictable Noetsi will say. It only matters what they did for the Yankees. As if one season of being the closer proves anything for Soriano. Or Roberston's sporadic closing with the Yankees means anything. Which of course reduces the matter to small sample sizes. Meaningless drivel that leads to many people pulling stats and doing the research. Sadly, this is a bit reminiscent of T. Marino stirring the pot with circular bullshit while he reached into his underwear and giggled at us. Russ! Go to your room! Bad, bad Russ!... I think you’re right. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jul 16, 2019 0:12:16 GMT -5
Here's Roberston's numbers. Do the math yourself. I'm tired of this:
I must be a masochist because I calculated Robertson's save percentage as a Yankee: 72.6 percent. Not even close to Chapman's.
And, here is Soriano’s with the Yankees only: .8627. Still, below Chapman at .8938. |
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Post by kaybli on Jul 16, 2019 0:13:39 GMT -5
I must be a masochist because I calculated Robertson's save percentage as a Yankee: 72.6 percent. Not even close to Chapman's.
I know...why did we take the time to even look up the numbers? ?  Who knows. I said I wouldn't. Then I came back 20 minutes later and did. |
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Post by kaybli on Jul 16, 2019 0:16:02 GMT -5
I must be a masochist because I calculated Robertson's save percentage as a Yankee: 72.6 percent. Not even close to Chapman's.
And, here is Soriano’s with the Yankees only: .8627. Still, below Chapman. You can only count 2012 rizzuto not 2011! Because he was the full time closer then only! 
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Post by rizzuto on Jul 16, 2019 0:17:11 GMT -5
I know...why did we take the time to even look up the numbers? ? [img src="//storage.proboards.com/6828121/images/udcwFqPimnXDtjoTmoVL.gif" class="smile" alt=" "] Who knows. I said I wouldn't. Then I came back 20 minutes later and did. And, here we are, still at it, but Noetsi is nowhere to be found...we are idiots. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jul 16, 2019 0:19:33 GMT -5
And, here is Soriano’s with the Yankees only: .8627. Still, below Chapman. You can only count 2012 rizzuto not 2011! Because he was the full time closer then only! [img alt=" " class="smile" src="//storage.proboards.com/6828121/images/CXbXLVOkSvBJeDFNHBpz.gif"]
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Post by inger on Jul 16, 2019 0:21:10 GMT -5
I recall when Mo when seemingly go through a short slump or two each season. The older he got, the more the doom and gloom era would begin to pick at his carcass. Like any team, or any athlete for that matter, no one is as good as they are when they’re at the top of their game, not as bad as they look when they’re out of sorts.
Chapman has indeed been in a down cycle of late. That makes it convenient for folks who draw quick conclusions to condemn him. I have concerns that he is no longer finding that 104-105 MPH range, seldom even the 101 we saw tonight. He’s obviously worked hard to reinvent himself, and his results have been a pleasant surprise to me.
If we choose to cry about not having the next Mariano, we’ll probably cry for a long time...
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Who knows. I said I wouldn't. Then I came back 20 minutes later and did. 
