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Post by inger on Sept 7, 2019 19:41:55 GMT -5
Tommy Holmes, 1945 Boston Braves. 175 OPS +. Second and third best seasons @ 128 and 126... Inger, I think that was already determined back on August 8. Utah threw out Holmes's name and you verified it. Although I have no objection to a "best of Inger" thread. Lol. I do recall that now. I happened to look at Holmes career, and actually did so without doing so because of this thread and made the “discovery”. Vasco De Gama, Chris Columbus, Erik the Red, Utahyank, inger. The historians will have to sort out who found what someday. Good catch, Pipps. You’re older than I am, but apparently have a much better memory than I. I doubt anyone could ever find enough “bests” of inger to post. Perhaps “Dumbest”, “Worst”, “Most Disconcerting”...any of those might make a nice recall... |
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 7, 2019 19:47:49 GMT -5
Hah. I just remember being impressed by Utah coming up with that one.
A Best of Inger is a book waiting to be written. Plenty of material.
This is a very good topic. My meagre responses are not due to lack of interest, but inability to come up with examples.
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Post by inger on Sept 7, 2019 20:00:42 GMT -5
Hah. I just remember being impressed by Utah coming up with that one. A Best of Inger is a book waiting to be written. Plenty of material. This is a very good topic. My meagre responses are not due to lack of interest, but inability to come up with examples. I had a moment of weakness at one point, and thought about lowering the bar to a thirty point differential. Then, I started to realize how truly special the +40 point barricade was making the thread. I think keeping the line at 40 greatly reduced the population of the thread. Even as is, the rules have had to be stretched a couple times to find what? A dozen or so players? Remarkable... (I should go back and do a recap. Too lazy, or not interested enough right now. I’m sure more players exist... I think...maybe... |
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Post by inger on Nov 1, 2019 20:35:19 GMT -5
It’s been a while since a player has been added to this group. I just happened to note that this is Miguel Dilone’s birthday, which reminded me that he had hit for a .341 average in 1980. Even though he didn’t hit a single HR that year, he has an OPS+ of 120. The following year he had a 98, but had fewer than 300 PA. He never posted a season better than 65+ in any of his other seasons in his 12-year career...
Dilone also has the distinction of having served as one of Charles O. Finley’s group of players who spent time on the A’s roster with the primary job of pinch-running. After trying Herb Washington in that role, Finley got more creative in finding players who could serve the team in other ways, usually with the ability to at least play the field and occasionally swing a bat that would allow them to reach base...
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Post by pippsheadache on Nov 2, 2019 5:43:17 GMT -5
Allen Lewis was another of Finley's running specialists. He had only 31 PAs in 156 games, with 44 SBs. Not a strategy that was widely adopted. And for good reason.
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Post by inger on Nov 2, 2019 10:59:35 GMT -5
Add Matt Alexander and Larry Lintz to C.O. Finley’s list of speed specialists...
Alexander also was later dealt to the Pirates, for whom he filled the same role. Can you imagine a player being kept on the roster to run only? Ten man pitching staffs allowed so much flexibility...
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Post by sierchio on Nov 2, 2019 11:50:46 GMT -5
I didn't go through the thread... but first name I thought of... the great Jacoby Ellsbury... and his 146 OPS+ in 2011... 33 points higher than his next closest full season...
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Post by inger on Nov 2, 2019 12:01:03 GMT -5
I didn't go through the thread... but first name I thought of... the great Jacoby Ellsbury... and his 146 OPS+ in 2011... 33 points higher than his next closest full season... That’s pretty good, but we’re looking for a 40 point diff in OPS. Close, but no cigar. Guys in the thirties are a lot easier to find. The 40+ club has been found to be very exclusive... |
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Post by sierchio on Nov 2, 2019 12:32:08 GMT -5
Ah ha... I like games. This seems like a fun game... Let me try.. I'll be back!!
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Post by sierchio on Nov 2, 2019 12:35:03 GMT -5
Technical note... you said OPS.. in the season I mentioned Ellsbury OPS was 928.. his next closest, full season OPS, 781.. a full 147 points..  I know, you're looking for OPS+.. 40 points in OPS would probably include every player... ever |
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Post by inger on Nov 2, 2019 12:54:58 GMT -5
Technical note... you said OPS.. in the season I mentioned Ellsbury OPS was 928.. his next closest, full season OPS, 781.. a full 147 points.. I know, you're looking for OPS+.. 40 points in OPS would probably include every player... ever Yes. OPS+. Just a whimsical choice, but it really narrows the field... |
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Post by sierchio on Nov 2, 2019 12:58:23 GMT -5
My second thought was Angel Berroa... I didn't realize how average his ROY season was though... lol I thought I had one with Rafael Furcal with his 166 OPS+ (2008) beating out his next best season of 125 but he only played 36 games in 2008  I'm getting close!!!! Off topic: Tim Salmon was no Mike Trout, but damn, looking at his stats, he was better than I remember him Does Joe Charboneau's career count??? Walt Weiss had a 14 year career never posting an OPS+ over 100... crazzzzzy Ozzie Guillen, did the same over 16 years... it's amazing how much they used to value defense... |
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Post by inger on Nov 2, 2019 14:22:33 GMT -5
My second thought was Angel Berroa... I didn't realize how average his ROY season was though... lol I thought I had one with Rafael Furcal with his 166 OPS+ (2008) beating out his next best season of 125 but he only played 36 games in 2008 I'm getting close!!!! Off topic: Tim Salmon was no Mike Trout, but damn, looking at his stats, he was better than I remember him Does Joe Charboneau's career count??? Walt Weiss had a 14 year career never posting an OPS+ over 100... crazzzzzy Ozzie Guillen, did the same over 16 years... it's amazing how much they used to value defense... You should probably read the thread first. There are not only some players that qualified but several near misses are also mentioned that would save you search time. If I get the time, I’ll do a single page thread recap showing who’s on and those that we know of that just missed, but I’m not promising that in the near term. The catcher project has been set aside for several months... |
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Post by sierchio on Nov 2, 2019 15:12:37 GMT -5
The way I was searching though involved me looking at who won Rookie of the Year each season , not really random guesses... so I don't know if reading the whole thread would've helped my search.. but I shall go over it shortly
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Post by inger on Nov 2, 2019 16:48:58 GMT -5
The way I was searching though involved me looking at who won Rookie of the Year each season , not really random guesses... so I don't know if reading the whole thread would've helped my search.. but I shall go over it shortly It could really use a recap, I know. I think we did decide to allow Charboneau. He’s sort of a technicality. Then some were allowed because they only had one season with 400 AB. In other words, these players are quite hard to find, so there are reasonable “cheats” allowed to get them on the roster... |
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