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Post by inger on Aug 8, 2019 19:06:40 GMT -5
Yanks with their first TD on the board. Should we go for the two point conversion, or settle for the kick?... Tauchman passes for the two-pointer!... This has me thinking about players that had decent careers, but one really exceptional season. REALLY exceptional. I’m hoping tat’s not what we’re seeing, but it just made me way nostalgic for some old names that would fit the bill. I don’t mean Brady Anderson. I know he hit 50 one year and never more than 21 before, nor 24 after. His OPS + the year he hit 50 was around 160, I think, but although you might not realize it, he had 4 other seasons that he posted up in the 130’s or so. I’m thinking more like guys who popped for a season that was, let’s say... at least 40 OPS+ points higher than any other season they ever had, and that they’d have to have at least an eight year career...I’m thinking Jim Gentile and Norm Cash, 1961. Joe Torre had that great .363 year, I think that was 170+ territory, but he had other seasons in the 130-145 range...So HE doesn’t count, either... Think, men. Think... |
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Post by inger on Aug 8, 2019 19:31:29 GMT -5
Asking Kaybli to start this off by moving a couple posts so we can volley this about...Stay tuned...
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Post by pippsheadache on Aug 8, 2019 19:36:29 GMT -5
Tauchman passes for the two-pointer!... This has me thinking about players that had decent careers, but one really exceptional season. REALLY exceptional. I’m hoping tat’s not what we’re seeing, but it just made me way nostalgic for some old names that would fit the bill. I don’t mean Brady Anderson. I know he hit 50 one year and never more than 21 before, nor 24 after. His OPS + the year he hit 50 was around 160, I think, but although you might not realize it, he had 4 other seasons that he posted up in the 130’s or so. I’m thinking more like guys who popped for a season that was, let’s say... at least 40 OPS+ points higher than any other season they ever had, and that they’d have to have at least an eight year career...I’m thinking Jim Gentile and Norm Cash, 1961. Joe Torre had that great .363 year, I think that was 170+ territory, but he had other seasons in the 130-145 range...So HE doesn’t count, either... Think, men. Think... Hmm. Norm Cash is for sure the poster child for your criteria. Ellsbury might be in the running, although not as extreme as what you are looking for. Phil Plantier had one really good season and not much else, but again not in Norm Cash country. And Norm Cash as you know had a fine career, but definitely that 1961 was an outlier. |
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Post by inger on Aug 8, 2019 19:54:33 GMT -5
Norm Cash / 1961 / .361/.487/.661; 42 HR 132 RBI OPS + 201
2nd best /1971/ .283/.382/.531; 32 HR 91 RBI. ops+ 149
A 52 point diff in OPS. Career OPS 139, diff 62 points
Note the ten year gap...
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Post by noetsi on Aug 8, 2019 19:55:48 GMT -5
Maris had more than one great year but he hit 61 in 61 and had 214 in the other 11 years combined.
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Post by inger on Aug 8, 2019 19:59:11 GMT -5
Maris had more than one great year but he hit 61 in 61 and had 214 in the other 11 years combined. Noted . He was also the AL MVP the year before, and had an OPS too close too ‘61. But, that's a fine near miss. Maris has a very short prime due to injuries... |
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Post by noetsi on Aug 8, 2019 20:03:34 GMT -5
Yeah he retired at 33 and died at 51
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Post by inger on Aug 8, 2019 20:03:37 GMT -5
Jim Gentile/ 1961/ .302/.423/.646; 46 HR 141 RBI OPS + 187
2nd best /1960/ .292/.403/.500; 21 HR. 98 RBI OPS + 145
Barely squeaks in with an OPS diff of 42 points.
Career OPS+ 136, diff 51 points
Cash is still the champ, but Gentile is on the team...
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Post by noetsi on Aug 8, 2019 20:04:50 GMT -5
Do one on pitchers
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Post by inger on Aug 8, 2019 20:06:32 GMT -5
Yeah he retired at 33 and died at 51 So sad to read about the pressure on him in ‘61, with his hair falling out and such. I recall my former mother-in-law when she lost her favorite child when he was 50 and she was in her early 70’s. She lost so much hair she looked like a typical case of male pattern baldness. It grew back in a few years later... |
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Post by pippsheadache on Aug 8, 2019 20:07:01 GMT -5
Jim Gentile/ 1961/ .302/.423/.646; 46 HR 141 RBI OPS + 187 2nd best /1960/ .292/.403/.500; 21 HR. 98 RBI OPS + 145 Barely squeaks in with an OPS diff of 42 points. Career OPS+ 136, diff 51 points Cash is still the champ, but Gentile is on the team... Although they did play the same position. We're covered at first. |
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Post by inger on Aug 8, 2019 20:08:17 GMT -5
I thought maybe we’d work this one first, Russ. I catch the pitchers after a few more days. I still need to finish the Yankee catcher project, too... Patience, my friend. You must have patience or make your own kill... (: |
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Post by noetsi on Aug 8, 2019 20:10:51 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Aug 8, 2019 20:12:49 GMT -5
Jim Gentile/ 1961/ .302/.423/.646; 46 HR 141 RBI OPS + 187 2nd best /1960/ .292/.403/.500; 21 HR. 98 RBI OPS + 145 Barely squeaks in with an OPS diff of 42 points. Career OPS+ 136, diff 51 points Cash is still the champ, but Gentile is on the team... Although they did play the same position. We're covered at first. I should have mentioned that Gentile did not qualify for rate stats in 1960. He was just coming into his own that season. I don’t mind that his AN we’re a bit short, because he played a “representative number# of games. I also wasn’t thrilled that he had those two seasons back to back, but I guess that’s okay, too. Better that he backs Cash up at 1B. Think he played a bit of OF, too. Handy backup player... (: |
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Post by pippsheadache on Aug 8, 2019 20:14:14 GMT -5
Maris had more than one great year but he hit 61 in 61 and had 214 in the other 11 years combined. Noted . He was also the AL MVP the year before, and had an OPS too close too ‘61. But, that's a fine near miss. Maris has a very short prime due to injuries... Maris also had a very fine 1963 before injuries shortened his season. No question the 60-61 seasons were the exceptions, but he had several very good other seasons. His aggressive style of play was a big factor in all of his injuries. A diver, a crasher, a breaker upper of double plays. I was always a big Roger Maris fan. |
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