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Post by inger on Jun 16, 2018 12:11:14 GMT -5
Thanks, Utah. I knew Rex as a sports announcer when I was a kid...
I’ll look him up. Most likely, even if he was known as a strikeout pitcher then his K rate would have been muted by the era he pitched in. Should be an interesting case study...
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Post by inger on Jun 16, 2018 12:20:19 GMT -5
So, Barney finished his career with a 5.1 k per nine rate. But he was done at 25 with an arm injury. That, along with the era will disqualify him for the crown of “King Of Fewest K’s With A 100 MPH FB”...
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 16, 2018 17:31:39 GMT -5
So, Barney finished his career with a 5.1 k per nine rate. But he was done at 25 with an arm injury. That, along with the era will disqualify him for the crown of “King Of Fewest K’s With A 100 MPH FB”... I think Utah was spot on with Rex Barney. He threw right at 600 innings over six seasons, missing two years to WWII. His strikeout numbers remained essentially the same over each of those seasons (4.2 to 6.1). Though Eovaldi has thrown more innings, this is only his seventh season (5.4 to 7.1) and his strikeout range is remarkably similar (1.9 to 1.7). Though not as many players struck out at the rate of today's players, Eovaldi gives up more than a hit an inning (9.4), whereas Barney's nine inning average was much lower (7.1). So, Barney struck out fewer batters with his 100 mph heater, though he was much harder to hit. While we should consider the era in which they both played, I wouldn't penalize Barney because Tommy John's doctor hadn't been practicing yet. Where they really differed was in BB/9: Eovaldi (2.9) vs. Barney (6.2). I have to wonder how many walks were due to the equipment the catchers had (or didn't have) in that era, trying to catch that type of velocity. |
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Post by utahyank on Jun 16, 2018 21:01:46 GMT -5
So, Barney finished his career with a 5.1 k per nine rate. But he was done at 25 with an arm injury. That, along with the era will disqualify him for the crown of “King Of Fewest K’s With A 100 MPH FB”... I think Utah was spot on with Rex Barney. He threw right at 600 innings over six seasons, missing two years to WWII. His strikeout numbers remained essentially the same over each of those seasons (4.2 to 6.1). Though Eovaldi has thrown more innings, this is only his seventh season (5.4 to 7.1) and his strikeout range is remarkably similar (1.9 to 1.7). Though not as many players struck out at the rate of today's players, Eovaldi gives up more than a hit an inning (9.4), whereas Barney's nine inning average was much lower (7.1). So, Barney struck out fewer batters with his 100 mph heater, though he was much harder to hit. While we should consider the era in which they both played, I wouldn't penalize Barney because Tommy John's doctor hadn't been practicing yet. Where they really differed was in BB/9: Eovaldi (2.9) vs. Barney (6.2). I have to wonder how many walks were due to the equipment the catchers had (or didn't have) in that era, trying to catch that type of velocity.interesting thought, rizz.........Brooklyn generally had good defensive catchers as I recall, but the catchers small-pocket mitts were not the equal of todays big glove.....In Barney's case, I think he was just wild.....the umpires then were programmed toward calling strikes, but even they had a limit (  )...........I used to watch some Brooklyn games when I worked for the Atomic Energy Commission in Jersey, and he had great stuff, but not much idea how to repeat his delivery, once it went awry....... |
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Post by inger on Jun 19, 2018 22:01:36 GMT -5
Here's something cool. There were a lot of pitching records set in 1968, many that we can quote right off the tops of our heads...But Luis Tiant, who had a splendid season in '68 made it really tough to find a way to beat him. He was the Anti-Betances that season as nine runners attempted to steal against him, and all nine were caught stealing. That is the most attempts in a season in MLB history vs. any pitcher without a single success. Our buddy Whitey Ford had an interesting season in 1960 when he pitched the most innings in a season without allowing a stolen base with 283 innings...Only three dared to attempt a steal against the Chairman of the Board...and all three were gunned down...
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Post by kaybli on Jun 19, 2018 22:06:19 GMT -5
Here's something cool. There were a lot of pitching records set in 1968, many that we can quote right off the tops of our heads...But Luis Tiant, who had a splendid season in '68 made it really tough to find a way to beat him. He was the Anti-Betances that season as nine runners attempted to steal against him, and all nine were caught stealing. That is the most attempts in a season in MLB history vs. any pitcher without a single success. Our buddy Whitey Ford had an interesting season in 1960 when he pitched the most innings in a season without allowing a stolen base with 283 innings...Only three dared to attempt a steal against the Chairman of the Board...and all three were gunned down... Nice stolen base factoids, inger!  |
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Post by inger on Jun 19, 2018 22:14:54 GMT -5
What you talkin 'bout, Willis? Not a single stolen base allowed in that factoid... (:
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Post by inger on Jun 20, 2018 1:35:06 GMT -5
A little more fun here with failure to steal bases...Do you know who got caught stealing the most times as a base runner without successfully stealing a base? In 1952, Pete Runnels attempted to steal and failed...ten times...that is 0 for 10, folks...Just to make sure we squeeze the maximum amount of amazement out of this factoid, Runnels, who later in his career won two batting titles, so I don't want to trample on him too much here...was in his first full season when had the infamous 0 for 10 season. As it turns out, he was also 0 for 3 in 1951, and THEN he failed in his first 3 attempts to steal a base in 1953, giving him a streak of 16 consecutive steal attempts before he righted the ship and stole a base...Then, in 1955 he got caught 9 times out of 12 attempts...For his career, the lifetime .291 hitter was successful on 37 steals and was caught 51 times, a dreadful 42% success ratio. Luckily, he improved at stealing bases with age and experience. By the time he had complete his first 5 MLB seasons, Runnels had been nabbed 29 times with only 8 successful steals...(.216 success rate)...Runnels was beloved by someone. For a fellow with only 49 career HR, he was named to three All-Star teams and received MVP votes in six separate seasons...Perhaps his mom got to vote for MVP?
I can't imagine any other runner having been caught 16 straight times, even though in the dark ages of baseball the stolen base was over valued and caught stealing was not tracked...That is wicked bad base running!!! Enjoy the chart below that will show all of the runners who were caught seven or more times without stealing a single base, along with the season they "accomplished" the feat...or is that feet...not fleet feet...All seasons are after 1951 due to the unreliability of the record keeping on the CS stat prior to that season...Chet Lemon's name is a bit of a surprise. Fast enough to play CF, but bad enough at stealing bases to make it onto an all-time failure list...Remembering a few more crappy base-stealing seasons, Elijah Dukes, 3/10 in 2009, Will Clark 5/17 in 1987 (age 23), and Buddy Bell 7/15 in 1973...
Catcher Russ Nixon adds his name to our list by never stealing a base in his entire career, spanning twelve seasons. We all know he TRIED to steal bases, but alas, he failed all 7 times he attempted...He has the most AB with out a steal in MLB history with 2.504... 0/7 He gave up trying after his age 26 season, so it only took him about six years to learn that he was too slow to steal bases...
Player Year Age SB CS
Pete Runnels 1952 24 0 10
Oscar Robels 2005 29 0 8
Jose Offerman 2000 31 0 8
Chet Lemon 1983 28 0 7
Manny Trillo 1978 27 0 7
Mike Vail 1977 25 0 7
Ted Simmons 1976 26 0 7
John Milner 1976 26 0 7
Ron Theobald 1972 28 0 7
Dennis Menke 1966 25 0 7
Dick Gernert 1953 24 0 7
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Post by kaybli on Jun 20, 2018 1:36:41 GMT -5
 I love futility factoids.
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Post by inger on Jun 20, 2018 7:59:55 GMT -5
[img class="smile" alt=" " src="//storage.proboards.com/6828121/images/udcwFqPimnXDtjoTmoVL.gif"] I love futility factoids. I don't know why this didn't ring a bell until this morning, but Offerman stole 45 bases, getting caught 12 times just two years before his negative exploits...while stealing 20+ four times in his career...Another player who's career plummeted of a cliff in his early thirties in the years before the magic pills and shots of juju in the ass... |
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Post by inger on Jun 20, 2018 8:29:55 GMT -5
Here's a nifty bit of trivia for you guys. If no one can answer by late tonight, I'll reveal the answer. These four players have one thing in common, what is it?
Harry Chiti
Dickie Noles
Brad Gulden
John McDonald
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Post by inger on Jun 21, 2018 1:12:47 GMT -5
Here's a nifty bit of trivia for you guys. If no one can answer by late tonight, I'll reveal the answer. These four players have one thing in common, what is it? Harry Chiti Dickie Noles Brad Gulden John McDonald I almost forgot about this one, and apparently no one else really cared... (: The one thing these four players have in common is that they were all traded for a player to be named later, and then they became the player to be named later. So in essence, they were all traded for themselves. To the best of my knowledge these are the only four players that have experienced that phenomenon... One thing I would say is that the trade came out pretty even for both sides... |
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Post by Renfield on Jun 21, 2018 6:41:38 GMT -5
I was going to say "four players nobody ever heard of." Now we have some idea as to why.
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Jun 21, 2018 9:18:19 GMT -5
I came across this article that includes a 1959 from VP Richard Nixon that I found particularly interesting. I wanted to share it here because a few years back there was a discussion on the old board where JWild claimed, in response to a comment made by inger, that he couldnt keep silent if anyone spoke well of President Richard Nixon bc he (Nixon) was such a bitter repugnant racist. This is not meant to fan any flames, or even to change anyone's mind (almost impossible these days), but as I said, I just found this interesting and it made me recall and old discussion on PinstripesPlus. Sometimes things arent quite so black and white. www.washingtonexaminer.com/rare-letter-nixon-feared-us-racism-would-help-soviets-win-cold-war/article/2622326 |
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Post by kaybli on Jun 21, 2018 10:33:35 GMT -5
I came across this article that includes a 1959 from VP Richard Nixon that I found particularly interesting. I wanted to share it here because a few years back there was a discussion on the old board where JWild claimed, in response to a comment made by inger, that he couldnt keep silent if anyone spoke well of President Richard Nixon bc he (Nixon) was such a bitter repugnant racist. This is not meant to fan any flames, or even to change anyone's mind (almost impossible these days), but as I said, I just found this interesting and it made me recall and old discussion on PinstripesPlus. Sometimes things arent quite so black and white. www.washingtonexaminer.com/rare-letter-nixon-feared-us-racism-would-help-soviets-win-cold-war/article/2622326One letter doesn't excuse:
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when he tried appointing segregationist judges to the Supreme Court, Clement Haysworth and G. Harrold Carswell
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)...........I used to watch some Brooklyn games when I worked for the Atomic Energy Commission in Jersey, and he had great stuff, but not much idea how to repeat his delivery, once it went awry.......
I love futility factoids. 
