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Post by greatfatness on Oct 31, 2019 13:17:35 GMT -5
Cole didn’t take long to separate himself. He’s team Boros now. Complete mercenary. Just like when he was drafted, a complete sense of entitlement. Maybe that’s good for us. I can take or leave him, to be honest. Today’s greatness is tomorrow’s over paid mediocrity. There are pitchers who peak at his age, some peak even earlier, and some remain effective or even become more effective late in their careers. It’s all very unpredictable. Anything longer than five years carries a ridiculous amount of risk... If I were a team owner, I’d want to offer ridiculous annual values for short term deals, maybe one to three years...Don’t know if the players would bite, but I’d try it... I can take him. Unlike last years crop of overhyped free agents here’s a guy who truly is elite right now and fills a need for the team. To me this is just like when they went out and got CC. Would love to see him locked in for the next half of his career in pinstripes. |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 31, 2019 13:26:54 GMT -5
We’re getting 5 degrees tonight...Back up to 40 tomorrow though... Hey guys! We hit (-5) early this morning. Just the third time I can recall it being that cold where I was living at the time. Also had a (-5) the first night I spent in Kentucky, and had a nasty (-24) once when I was a teenager living in MD. Geez, it's only Oct. 31st. |
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Post by inger on Oct 31, 2019 13:34:14 GMT -5
Hey guys! We hit (-5) early this morning. Just the third time I can recall it being that cold where I was living at the time. Also had a (-5) the first night I spent in Kentucky, and had a nasty (-24) once when I was a teenager living in MD. Geez, it's only Oct. 31st. Nice, more seasonal 42 degrees today, though the little ghosts and goblins will be a good bit colder. Low tonight will be 16, so the little monsters may see 30 or so before they go back inside... |
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Post by sierchio on Oct 31, 2019 15:31:34 GMT -5
Cole didn’t take long to separate himself. He’s team Boros now. Complete mercenary. Just like when he was drafted, a complete sense of entitlement. Maybe that’s good for us. I can take or leave him, to be honest. Today’s greatness is tomorrow’s over paid mediocrity. There are pitchers who peak at his age, some peak even earlier, and some remain effective or even become more effective late in their careers. It’s all very unpredictable. Anything longer than five years carries a ridiculous amount of risk... If I were a team owner, I’d want to offer ridiculous annual values for short term deals, maybe one to three years...Don’t know if the players would bite, but I’d try it... That experiment is supposedly coming a year from now when my boy BAUER hits the market. He said he wants to be mercenary and sign high dollar one year deals for the rest of his career... big gamble on his part... I love the guys personality. I think we would get along... MadBum peaked at 26 and looking at his career stats, he's pretty over-rated.. guess being elite in the post season will do that.. Kershaw, while still good/great, is no longer elite and the decline happened right as he hit 30.. but I think he's crafty enough to "reinvent" himself... even so, a declining Kershaw is equal to MadBum at his peak... in my opinion. CC hit 30 and stopped being elite.. from age 31-38 his ERA+ is right around 100.. maxing out at 125 during his age 31 season.. Could be a Scherzer/Verlander and keep being dominate as he ages... even getting better with age... (Max actually had the lowest FIP of his career this season... I hope the back doesn't start slowing him down) If you ignoring Verlanders horrible age 31 season, and go from his age 32 season to current, his ERA+ is 147... beating his age 22-30 season ERA+ of 127... once again ignoring that horrible age 31 season in 2014. Cole only had 3 "elite" seasons, his All-Star campaigns in 2015, 2018 and 2019... For all when know, when he leaves Houston he could become a pitcher who averages an ERA+ in the 120's... he just happened to peak his two years before FA... The more I think about it, the more I'm against signing Cole to a deal longer than 5 years... which I believe he'll command... and receive ..and I think Cole might struggle in 2020 after all the extra innings... he had a career high in regular season innings at 212 and add the post season to that, it's way more than he's ever pitched in his career.... so I'm gonna guess there might be a little World Series hang over in effect.... |
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Post by sierchio on Oct 31, 2019 15:34:18 GMT -5
Speaking of World Series hang over, I didn't mention Chris Sale... and that reminds me I didn't mention the highest paid pitcher of all time, Mr. David Price...
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Post by greatfatness on Oct 31, 2019 15:36:23 GMT -5
Complete mercenary. Just like when he was drafted, a complete sense of entitlement. Maybe that’s good for us. I can take or leave him, to be honest. Today’s greatness is tomorrow’s over paid mediocrity. There are pitchers who peak at his age, some peak even earlier, and some remain effective or even become more effective late in their careers. It’s all very unpredictable. Anything longer than five years carries a ridiculous amount of risk... If I were a team owner, I’d want to offer ridiculous annual values for short term deals, maybe one to three years...Don’t know if the players would bite, but I’d try it... That experiment is supposedly coming a year from now when my boy BAUER hits the market. He said he wants to be mercenary and sign high dollar one year deals for the rest of his career... big gamble on his part... I love the guys personality. I think we would get along... MadBum peaked at 26 and looking at his career stats, he's pretty over-rated.. guess being elite in the post season will do that.. Kershaw, while still good/great, is no longer elite and the decline happened right as he hit 30.. but I think he's crafty enough to "reinvent" himself... even so, a declining Kershaw is equal to MadBum at his peak... in my opinion. CC hit 30 and stopped being elite.. from age 31-38 his ERA+ is right around 100.. maxing out at 125 during his age 31 season.. Could be a Scherzer/Verlander and keep being dominate as he ages... even getting better with age... (Max actually had the lowest FIP of his career this season... I hope the back doesn't start slowing him down) If you ignoring Verlanders horrible age 31 season, and go from his age 32 season to current, his ERA+ is 147... beating his age 22-30 season ERA+ of 127... once again ignoring that horrible age 31 season in 2014. Cole only had 3 "elite" seasons, his All-Star campaigns in 2015, 2018 and 2019... For all when know, when he leaves Houston he could become a pitcher who averages an ERA+ in the 120's... he just happened to peak his two years before FA... The more I think about it, the more I'm against signing Cole to a deal longer than 5 years... which I believe he'll command... and receive ..and I think Cole might struggle in 2020 after all the extra innings... he had a career high in regular season innings at 212 and add the post season to that, it's way more than he's ever pitched in his career.... so I'm gonna guess there might be a little World Series hang over in effect.... Zero chance he signs a short deal unless it is for a ridiculous AAV which wouldn’t work for the Yankees. So saying you wouldn’t sign him for more than a 5 year deal really is saying you’d pass. Which isn’t irrational. But that’s the market now for a top of the rotation arm and he’s a much better bet than Corbin last year who never has dominated the way Cole just did. Unclear to me right now if Cashman and Hal will pursue another starter but to me if they do this is the guy. |
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Post by sierchio on Oct 31, 2019 15:56:02 GMT -5
Re: what I just posted..
It seems right handers tend to age better than left handers..????? I'm not posting this as an opinion... I'm posting this as a question of your opinions...
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Post by sierchio on Oct 31, 2019 16:17:46 GMT -5
Sale signed an extention of 5 yrs/$145M... add 2 years because Sale was 2 years older when he signed the extension, and add an extra year for free agency "mark up" that's 8 years.. Sale was paid an aav of 29 million, so lets have a free agency mark up of 32 million..
Price has the richest FA @ 31 million for 7 years = 217 million total.. So I'll predict Cole gets 32-33 million for 8 years...
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Post by sierchio on Oct 31, 2019 16:25:55 GMT -5
Greinke signed a contract with an AAV of around 34.5 million.. maybe offer Cole 36 million for 5 years... 180 million my guess above 33 million at 8 years would be 264 million... thats 84 million over 3 years he's missing out on... aka 28 million for his age 34-36 seasons.. yeah he's not taking that 5 year deal I offered lol Maybe meet in the middle.. do a 6 or 7 year deal around 34-35 million... damn thats crazy... I don't think Hal will open the purse for Cole  |
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Post by inger on Oct 31, 2019 18:17:13 GMT -5
Re: what I just posted.. It seems right handers tend to age better than left handers..????? I'm not posting this as an opinion... I'm posting this as a question of your opinions... Disagree. It’s just that there are more RH than LH, so when you start looking for a particular animal, such as “pitchers who aged better”, there will be more RH in the group vs. LH. Randy Johnson Warren Spahn Steve Carlton Jim Kaat Tommy John Jamie Moyer And the beat goes on... Not to mention the left handed relievers that seem to pitch until they go on Medicare... |
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Post by noetsi on Oct 31, 2019 18:48:52 GMT -5
I think knuckleballers (admittedly a rare group ) could pitch from a wheel chair and get people out if they could cover first base.
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 31, 2019 19:53:30 GMT -5
Greinke signed a contract with an AAV of around 34.5 million.. maybe offer Cole 36 million for 5 years... 180 million my guess above 33 million at 8 years would be 264 million... thats 84 million over 3 years he's missing out on... aka 28 million for his age 34-36 seasons.. yeah he's not taking that 5 year deal I offered lol Maybe meet in the middle.. do a 6 or 7 year deal around 34-35 million... damn thats crazy... I don't think Hal will open the purse for Cole Yes, for a starter like Cole, he’ll make 34 or 35 million per year, so about a million dollars per start! From there, it’s all about years. I expect somewhere close to 250 million dollar package. Not a bad day at the office. |
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Post by sierchio on Nov 6, 2019 22:57:00 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Nov 6, 2019 23:31:29 GMT -5
Yes. I think they switched the balls. I think they needed to. But I think they should have announced it. We all should have known what was coming.
Biggest problem is that they waited until the post season.
Funny that we didn’t hear the pitchers saying good things about the ball, or the seams like we did when they were struggling to adapt earlier in the season.
Home runs are fine. So are outs. They’re a part of the game...
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Post by greatfatness on Nov 7, 2019 5:32:54 GMT -5
Yes. I think they switched the balls. I think they needed to. But I think they should have announced it. We all should have known what was coming. Biggest problem is that they waited until the post season. Funny that we didn’t hear the pitchers saying good things about the ball, or the seams like we did when they were struggling to adapt earlier in the season. Home runs are fine. So are outs. They’re a part of the game... There definitely were comments from the pitchers in the Yankees / Astros series about how the balls seemed different and they would have liked to know that a change was being made. MLB management is a shitshow. The sport succeeds in spite of them. |
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