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Post by inger on Dec 2, 2019 22:22:17 GMT -5
I’m not too concerned about losing Betances. He’ll be 32, and he made $7.125M in 2019 to face two batters. Despite the fact that he has tremendous talent when throwing pitches, he’s such a liability in the clutch. His career fielding percentage is a chimpanzee-like .873, and he’s allowed 72 of 84 runners to steal*, often at the most inopportune times. Not to mention the passed ball and wild pitch issues he’s had in the clutch, nor the occasional total lack of command.
If we get him back, we get him back. If not, maybe he’ll screw up while working against us...
He was fun for a while, but with all his secondary faults, if he drops off any at all as a pitcher, he’ll quickly become a net negative...
* 86%. The league average in the same time period is 71%...
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Post by greatfatness on Dec 3, 2019 4:18:49 GMT -5
I’m not too concerned about losing Betances. He’ll be 32, and he made $7.125M in 2019 to face two batters. Despite the fact that he has tremendous talent when throwing pitches, he’s such a liability in the clutch. His career fielding percentage is a chimpanzee-like .873, and he’s allowed 72 of 84 runners to steal*, often at the most inopportune times. Not to mention the passed ball and wild pitch issues he’s had in the clutch, nor the occasional total lack of command. If we get him back, we get him back. If not, maybe he’ll screw up while working against us... He was fun for a while, but with all his secondary faults, if he drops off any at all as a pitcher, he’ll quickly become a net negative... * 86%. The league average in the same time period is 71%... I’m not sure I buy this. He is really easy to steal off of but he’s definitely not alone in that regard. Under Rothschild the pitching staff particularly relievers didn’t do much to hold runners on. Chapman and Ottavino are two others who come to mind who are not good at that either. I think there are at least three good reasons not to keep Betances but I wouldn’t consider his fielding percentage or ability to hold runners on either of them. And beyond that a practical reason why I don’t think he will be back even if the team wants to keep him. First reason is the obvious one - we don’t know for sure if he’s healthy. Second is somewhat related. Before his injury, between 2014-2018 he was the most used reliever on the team. Largely because he was so good during that time. But the miles add up nonetheless. In fact he was the most used reliever in the sport. From Fangraphs: “ Between 2014 and 2018, the Yankees called upon Dellin for 373.1 innings, by a significant margin the most in major league baseball among qualified relievers (Yusmeiro Petit is a distant second at 355.1 innings). During that timeframe, Betances threw a whopping 6,226 pitches, more than any other reliever in baseball, and almost three hundred pitches more than second-place Brad Brach. To put it another way, Betances appeared in 349 games during that span, fifth-most in baseball — an average of 73 innings pitched and 68 appearances per 162 games. And he did it all while averaging 97.4 mph with his fastball, sixth-hardest in baseball among relievers.“ That’s a lot of wear and tear and as we saw, then he wore and tore. Even if he’s healthy for spring training, how much tread is left on those tires? Hard to know. Last reason is the market. Every offseason, teams overpay for relievers. Betances was so valuable during the years above because he was durable, excellent and cost controlled. All of those might be in doubt now and someone will be likely to throw a contract at him beyond a rational matching offer. With the way the team capitulated to Chapman’s contract demands, doing it again seems unlikely. I guess there’s one more reason not to expect him back and that’s how some in the Yankees front office treated Betances. During that period when the team got more value out of him than any other pitcher in the bullpen recall that Randy Levine clumsily botched Betances’ arbitration hearing, mispronouncing his name, suggesting that he was part of the reason for the team’s declining attendance and mocking the notion that he should be paid like a closer for his contributions. That’s not the sort of thing that people forget and doesn’t exactly lead to a player giving management a hometown discount. So I think he’s gone. The pen was great without him last year so I suppose it’s fine and they can’t really overpay Chapman and Betances at the same time and invest in the other more pressing needs. But for several years there, he was really great. When he leaves it will officially end the one time promised “Killer B’s” era (anyone remember that?) with Brackman, Banuelos and Betances. |
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Post by greatfatness on Dec 3, 2019 4:58:13 GMT -5
The Reds are spending some cash and have landed Moustakas. I wonder if that takes them out of bidding for Didi or if they have more to spend. |
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Post by greatfatness on Dec 3, 2019 6:13:03 GMT -5
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Post by chiyankee on Dec 3, 2019 9:21:31 GMT -5
The Reds are spending some cash and have landed Moustakas. I wonder if that takes them out of bidding for Didi or if they have more to spend. There's been talk of the Reds adding another free agent, so the money must be there. |
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Post by inger on Dec 3, 2019 11:04:49 GMT -5
I’m not too concerned about losing Betances. He’ll be 32, and he made $7.125M in 2019 to face two batters. Despite the fact that he has tremendous talent when throwing pitches, he’s such a liability in the clutch. His career fielding percentage is a chimpanzee-like .873, and he’s allowed 72 of 84 runners to steal*, often at the most inopportune times. Not to mention the passed ball and wild pitch issues he’s had in the clutch, nor the occasional total lack of command. If we get him back, we get him back. If not, maybe he’ll screw up while working against us... He was fun for a while, but with all his secondary faults, if he drops off any at all as a pitcher, he’ll quickly become a net negative... * 86%. The league average in the same time period is 71%... I’m not sure I buy this. He is really easy to steal off of but he’s definitely not alone in that regard. Under Rothschild the pitching staff particularly relievers didn’t do much to hold runners on. Chapman and Ottavino are two others who come to mind who are not good at that either. I think there are at least three good reasons not to keep Betances but I wouldn’t consider his fielding percentage or ability to hold runners on either of them. And beyond that a practical reason why I don’t think he will be back even if the team wants to keep him. First reason is the obvious one - we don’t know for sure if he’s healthy. Second is somewhat related. Before his injury, between 2014-2018 he was the most used reliever on the team. Largely because he was so good during that time. But the miles add up nonetheless. In fact he was the most used reliever in the sport. From Fangraphs: “ Between 2014 and 2018, the Yankees called upon Dellin for 373.1 innings, by a significant margin the most in major league baseball among qualified relievers (Yusmeiro Petit is a distant second at 355.1 innings). During that timeframe, Betances threw a whopping 6,226 pitches, more than any other reliever in baseball, and almost three hundred pitches more than second-place Brad Brach. To put it another way, Betances appeared in 349 games during that span, fifth-most in baseball — an average of 73 innings pitched and 68 appearances per 162 games. And he did it all while averaging 97.4 mph with his fastball, sixth-hardest in baseball among relievers.“ That’s a lot of wear and tear and as we saw, then he wore and tore. Even if he’s healthy for spring training, how much tread is left on those tires? Hard to know. Last reason is the market. Every offseason, teams overpay for relievers. Betances was so valuable during the years above because he was durable, excellent and cost controlled. All of those might be in doubt now and someone will be likely to throw a contract at him beyond a rational matching offer. With the way the team capitulated to Chapman’s contract demands, doing it again seems unlikely. I guess there’s one more reason not to expect him back and that’s how some in the Yankees front office treated Betances. During that period when the team got more value out of him than any other pitcher in the bullpen recall that Randy Levine clumsily botched Betances’ arbitration hearing, mispronouncing his name, suggesting that he was part of the reason for the team’s declining attendance and mocking the notion that he should be paid like a closer for his contributions. That’s not the sort of thing that people forget and doesn’t exactly lead to a player giving management a hometown discount. So I think he’s gone. The pen was great without him last year so I suppose it’s fine and they can’t really overpay Chapman and Betances at the same time and invest in the other more pressing needs. But for several years there, he was really great. When he leaves it will officially end the one time promised “Killer B’s” era (anyone remember that?) with Brackman, Banuelos and Betances. The fact that Baneulos was in MLB in 2019 was quite a surprise. He’ll be 29 next season and has never blossomed. Well, maybe he has. Weeds blossom too... |
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Post by greatfatness on Dec 3, 2019 15:13:51 GMT -5
I’m not sure I buy this. He is really easy to steal off of but he’s definitely not alone in that regard. Under Rothschild the pitching staff particularly relievers didn’t do much to hold runners on. Chapman and Ottavino are two others who come to mind who are not good at that either. I think there are at least three good reasons not to keep Betances but I wouldn’t consider his fielding percentage or ability to hold runners on either of them. And beyond that a practical reason why I don’t think he will be back even if the team wants to keep him. First reason is the obvious one - we don’t know for sure if he’s healthy. Second is somewhat related. Before his injury, between 2014-2018 he was the most used reliever on the team. Largely because he was so good during that time. But the miles add up nonetheless. In fact he was the most used reliever in the sport. From Fangraphs: “ Between 2014 and 2018, the Yankees called upon Dellin for 373.1 innings, by a significant margin the most in major league baseball among qualified relievers (Yusmeiro Petit is a distant second at 355.1 innings). During that timeframe, Betances threw a whopping 6,226 pitches, more than any other reliever in baseball, and almost three hundred pitches more than second-place Brad Brach. To put it another way, Betances appeared in 349 games during that span, fifth-most in baseball — an average of 73 innings pitched and 68 appearances per 162 games. And he did it all while averaging 97.4 mph with his fastball, sixth-hardest in baseball among relievers.“ That’s a lot of wear and tear and as we saw, then he wore and tore. Even if he’s healthy for spring training, how much tread is left on those tires? Hard to know. Last reason is the market. Every offseason, teams overpay for relievers. Betances was so valuable during the years above because he was durable, excellent and cost controlled. All of those might be in doubt now and someone will be likely to throw a contract at him beyond a rational matching offer. With the way the team capitulated to Chapman’s contract demands, doing it again seems unlikely. I guess there’s one more reason not to expect him back and that’s how some in the Yankees front office treated Betances. During that period when the team got more value out of him than any other pitcher in the bullpen recall that Randy Levine clumsily botched Betances’ arbitration hearing, mispronouncing his name, suggesting that he was part of the reason for the team’s declining attendance and mocking the notion that he should be paid like a closer for his contributions. That’s not the sort of thing that people forget and doesn’t exactly lead to a player giving management a hometown discount. So I think he’s gone. The pen was great without him last year so I suppose it’s fine and they can’t really overpay Chapman and Betances at the same time and invest in the other more pressing needs. But for several years there, he was really great. When he leaves it will officially end the one time promised “Killer B’s” era (anyone remember that?) with Brackman, Banuelos and Betances. The fact that Baneulos was in MLB in 2019 was quite a surprise. He’ll be 29 next season and has never blossomed. Well, maybe he has. Weeds blossom too... As excited as I am to see Garcia in pinstripes, Banuelos is a good example of why I wouldn’t be crushed if they traded him for a truly valuable part much as I didn’t mind dealing Sheffield for Paxton. |
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Post by inger on Dec 3, 2019 15:38:09 GMT -5
The fact that Baneulos was in MLB in 2019 was quite a surprise. He’ll be 29 next season and has never blossomed. Well, maybe he has. Weeds blossom too... As excited as I am to see Garcia in pinstripes, Banuelos is a good example of why I wouldn’t be crushed if they traded him for a truly valuable part much as I didn’t mind dealing Sheffield for Paxton. I think Garcia is as untouchable as a player can be. That said, if we can get someone for him that is himself also untouchable, you make the deal...I’d also like to see Florial kept as well. Unless we can get someone else equally untouchable for him...And Dominguez... and... |
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Post by kaybli on Dec 3, 2019 16:05:42 GMT -5
The top 10 most interesting MLB players non-tendered
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Post by kaybli on Dec 3, 2019 17:50:57 GMT -5
Zack Wheeler Bidding Already In Nine Figures
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Post by inger on Dec 3, 2019 19:16:16 GMT -5
Zack Wheeler Bidding Already In Nine Figures
Remembering when a $100,000 contract was the stratosphere of contracts, and they were never for more than a year? When they would make a big deal of tearing up a players contract and giving a $10,000 to a guy that pitched a no-hitter? When pitcher might win 20 games and get a raise one year, then win 18 the next year and take a pay cut? The same thing if a batter had an “off year” after hitting .300, dropping down to .288? When holdouts were regarded as scumbags by their team mates and fans? I remember an old cartoon. It was like today’s memes. There was a photo of Mickey Mantle and Roger Maris with a word balloon over Mantle’s head. Mantle: “Let’s see, Roger. That’s $100,000 for me, $75,000 for you, and $32.63* for the rest of the team”. *Okay, I’m not sure that was exactly $32.63, but you get the point...Not many here will remember those days. The age of innocence... |
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Post by inger on Dec 3, 2019 19:31:33 GMT -5
The top 10 most interesting MLB players non-tendered
Will we get in a bidding war with the Philadelphia Girardi’s for John Ryan Murphy?...Maybe Girardi sees the “Stewie of 2020” in the lad... |
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Post by inger on Dec 4, 2019 0:22:18 GMT -5
My guess at Yanks chances to sign:
Cole: 30%. Two bidders on west coast will make this one tough.
Strasburg 30%. Does he really want to be in DC that badly?
Wheeler: 0% if they land Cole or Strasburg.
Wheeler: 50% if they don’t land Cole or Strasburg.
The trick? Wheeler has a lot of suitors. He may not wait until after Cole or Strasburg sign...
Maybe only a 50% chance they sign either of these guys...
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Post by chiyankee on Dec 4, 2019 12:53:46 GMT -5
Cole Hamels is signing with the Braves for a one year deal.
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Post by chiyankee on Dec 4, 2019 14:54:52 GMT -5
Wow, the Phillies come out of nowhere and sign Wheeler.
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