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Post by chiyankee on Jan 27, 2020 17:19:17 GMT -5
The Pirates are one of the ten franchises which have stayed in the same city starting from the great period of stability from 1903 to 1953, when there was no franchise movement in MLB. The Yankees, Tigers, Indians, Red Sox and White Sox in the AL, and the Pirates, Cubs, Cardinals, Reds and Phillies in the NL. Going on 120 years in the same place. That's a pretty good stretch. I always hate to see franchises move. It gives the entire sport an aura of instability. I still believe there is an underlying instability anyway, one that most seem to either not see or live in denial of... Since 1970, I think Montreal relocating to Washington D.C. has been the only MLB move. There's been a lot of new franchises started up since then, but no moves that I can think of. |
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Post by greatfatness on Jan 27, 2020 18:34:03 GMT -5
I always hate to see franchises move. It gives the entire sport an aura of instability. I still believe there is an underlying instability anyway, one that most seem to either not see or live in denial of... Since 1970, I think Montreal relocating to Washington D.C. has been the only MLB move. There's been a lot of new franchises started up since then, but no moves that I can think of. George threatened to move the Yankees to New Jersey but when he was able to squeeze money out of NY, he backed off of the threat. That whole episode smelled awful of rampant greed and unfortunately it worked. |
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Post by kaybli on Jan 27, 2020 19:55:37 GMT -5
MLB Rumors: Red Sox' Mookie Betts trade talks with Padres at this sticking point
The Padres are willing to send outfielder Wil Myers, "two young major leaguers and at least one prospect" to the Red Sox in exchange for Betts, Acee reported Monday.
Betts is set to earn $27 million on the final year of his contract, however, so in return for taking on his contract, San Diego wants Boston to take on more of Myers' hefty deal, per Acee:
Myers is owed $61 million over the next three seasons, and the Red Sox are offering to assume about half that. Sources said the Padres would prefer to eat only about a quarter of the money owed Myers in order to take on Betts' salary.
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Post by inger on Jan 27, 2020 20:10:49 GMT -5
MLB Rumors: Red Sox' Mookie Betts trade talks with Padres at this sticking point
The Padres are willing to send outfielder Wil Myers, "two young major leaguers and at least one prospect" to the Red Sox in exchange for Betts, Acee reported Monday.
Betts is set to earn $27 million on the final year of his contract, however, so in return for taking on his contract, San Diego wants Boston to take on more of Myers' hefty deal, per Acee:
Myers is owed $61 million over the next three seasons, and the Red Sox are offering to assume about half that. Sources said the Padres would prefer to eat only about a quarter of the money owed Myers in order to take on Betts' salary.
Oh no! Iz dem poor widdle Wed Soxes all bwoke? Huhuhuhuhu. Be vewy quiet. I’m hunting wabbits... |
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Post by greatfatness on Jan 27, 2020 20:13:24 GMT -5
MLB Rumors: Red Sox' Mookie Betts trade talks with Padres at this sticking point
The Padres are willing to send outfielder Wil Myers, "two young major leaguers and at least one prospect" to the Red Sox in exchange for Betts, Acee reported Monday.
Betts is set to earn $27 million on the final year of his contract, however, so in return for taking on his contract, San Diego wants Boston to take on more of Myers' hefty deal, per Acee:
Myers is owed $61 million over the next three seasons, and the Red Sox are offering to assume about half that. Sources said the Padres would prefer to eat only about a quarter of the money owed Myers in order to take on Betts' salary.
If the Sox are smart they hold their ground. Betts is the only special part of this deal. SD needs him more than the Sox need the deal. |
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Post by inger on Jan 27, 2020 21:00:09 GMT -5
MLB Rumors: Red Sox' Mookie Betts trade talks with Padres at this sticking point
The Padres are willing to send outfielder Wil Myers, "two young major leaguers and at least one prospect" to the Red Sox in exchange for Betts, Acee reported Monday.
Betts is set to earn $27 million on the final year of his contract, however, so in return for taking on his contract, San Diego wants Boston to take on more of Myers' hefty deal, per Acee:
Myers is owed $61 million over the next three seasons, and the Red Sox are offering to assume about half that. Sources said the Padres would prefer to eat only about a quarter of the money owed Myers in order to take on Betts' salary.
If the Sox are smart they hold their ground. Betts is the only special part of this deal. SD needs him more than the Sox need the deal. San Diego is so hot to move Myers we could probably get him for Ellsbury... |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 28, 2020 2:02:44 GMT -5
I always hate to see franchises move. It gives the entire sport an aura of instability. I still believe there is an underlying instability anyway, one that most seem to either not see or live in denial of... Since 1970, I think Montreal relocating to Washington D.C. has been the only MLB move. There's been a lot of new franchises started up since then, but no moves that I can think of. It doesn't change your valid point one iota, Chi, but there was the move of the Washington Senators to Texas in 1972. But for sure, compared to the NFL or the NBA, MLB is practically carved in stone when it comes to moving franchises. I do remember when a White Sox move to St. Petersburg was practically considered a done deal -- I think in the 1980s? -- and then they got the city to finance that out of date before it opened New Comiskey. GF mentioned the Yankees talking about moving to NJ unless the city came around. The Phillies did the same thing a few years earlier, threatening to move to South Jersey until the city underwrote that parking garage known as Veterans Stadium. New Jersey is very useful in providing leverage for owners of sports franchises. |
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Post by kaybli on Jan 28, 2020 2:31:49 GMT -5
Since 1970, I think Montreal relocating to Washington D.C. has been the only MLB move. There's been a lot of new franchises started up since then, but no moves that I can think of. It doesn't change your valid point one iota, Chi, but there was the move of the Washington Senators to Texas in 1972. But for sure, compared to the NFL or the NBA, MLB is practically carved in stone when it comes to moving franchises. I do remember when a White Sox move to St. Petersburg was practically considered a done deal -- I think in the 1980s? -- and then they got the city to finance that out of date before it opened New Comiskey. GF mentioned the Yankees talking about moving to NJ unless the city came around. The Phillies did the same thing a few years earlier, threatening to move to South Jersey until the city underwrote that parking garage known as Veterans Stadium. New Jersey is very useful in providing leverage for owners of sports franchises.  Shape up or we're moving the team to New Jersey! Costanza! |
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Post by greatfatness on Jan 28, 2020 6:06:15 GMT -5
Since 1970, I think Montreal relocating to Washington D.C. has been the only MLB move. There's been a lot of new franchises started up since then, but no moves that I can think of. It doesn't change your valid point one iota, Chi, but there was the move of the Washington Senators to Texas in 1972. But for sure, compared to the NFL or the NBA, MLB is practically carved in stone when it comes to moving franchises. I do remember when a White Sox move to St. Petersburg was practically considered a done deal -- I think in the 1980s? -- and then they got the city to finance that out of date before it opened New Comiskey. GF mentioned the Yankees talking about moving to NJ unless the city came around. The Phillies did the same thing a few years earlier, threatening to move to South Jersey until the city underwrote that parking garage known as Veterans Stadium. New Jersey is very useful in providing leverage for owners of sports franchises. It’s like the dad threat “you kids quiet down back there or I’m turning this car right around and going home!” Nobody wants to go home in the middle of a road trip and no teams fans want to move to New Jersey. Hell, the Jets and Giants fans still pretend they’re NY teams and the Nets moved to Brooklyn. |
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Post by sierchio on Jan 28, 2020 12:14:24 GMT -5
I'm gonna start making demands and threatening "I'll move back to Jersey!!!" Oh wait, you have to have value for that threat to work  |
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Post by chiyankee on Jan 29, 2020 10:08:20 GMT -5
Since 1970, I think Montreal relocating to Washington D.C. has been the only MLB move. There's been a lot of new franchises started up since then, but no moves that I can think of. It doesn't change your valid point one iota, Chi, but there was the move of the Washington Senators to Texas in 1972. But for sure, compared to the NFL or the NBA, MLB is practically carved in stone when it comes to moving franchises. I do remember when a White Sox move to St. Petersburg was practically considered a done deal -- I think in the 1980s? -- and then they got the city to finance that out of date before it opened New Comiskey. GF mentioned the Yankees talking about moving to NJ unless the city came around. The Phillies did the same thing a few years earlier, threatening to move to South Jersey until the city underwrote that parking garage known as Veterans Stadium. New Jersey is very useful in providing leverage for owners of sports franchises. Thanks for the correction, Pipps. For some reason, I thought the Senators moved to Texas to become the Rangers after the 69 season, just like the legendary Seattle Pilots franchise moving to Milwaukee to become the Brewers. I need to double check this stuff! |
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Post by inger on Jan 29, 2020 11:23:24 GMT -5
Speaking of the Brewers, the league-switching antic of MLB are just as bothersome to me. It’s how the Astros got to be our friends... (:
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 29, 2020 13:16:51 GMT -5
It doesn't change your valid point one iota, Chi, but there was the move of the Washington Senators to Texas in 1972. But for sure, compared to the NFL or the NBA, MLB is practically carved in stone when it comes to moving franchises. I do remember when a White Sox move to St. Petersburg was practically considered a done deal -- I think in the 1980s? -- and then they got the city to finance that out of date before it opened New Comiskey. GF mentioned the Yankees talking about moving to NJ unless the city came around. The Phillies did the same thing a few years earlier, threatening to move to South Jersey until the city underwrote that parking garage known as Veterans Stadium. New Jersey is very useful in providing leverage for owners of sports franchises. Thanks for the correction, Pipps. For some reason, I thought the Senators moved to Texas to become the Rangers after the 69 season, just like the legendary Seattle Pilots franchise moving to Milwaukee to become the Brewers. I need to double check this stuff! What an ill-conceived idea the Seattle Pilots were. Dubious funding and a minor league stadium that held fewer than 20,000 when the season began. Seattle had been a great PCL franchise, but it wasn't ready for the majors. Jim Bouton was among the better-known names, although his best days were well behind him. They had Tommy Davis, who had a couple of HOF seasons with the Dodgers before a broken ankle stopped him in his tracks and he never recovered. I remember how my father used to rave about Tommy Davis but he was a completely different player after his injury. This is how tentative things were. It wasn't until April 1 1970 -- six days before opening day -- that the Pilots learned they would move to Milwaukee for their second season. Of course Bud Selig, who had been a minority owner of the Milwaukee Braves, bought the team. He was always Mr. Milwaukee and an NL guy, so to Inger's point about league changes, Selig made sure his Brewers moved to the NL once he became Commissioner. Typical slimy Selig maneuver. |
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Post by greatfatness on Jan 29, 2020 15:02:02 GMT -5
Thanks for the correction, Pipps. For some reason, I thought the Senators moved to Texas to become the Rangers after the 69 season, just like the legendary Seattle Pilots franchise moving to Milwaukee to become the Brewers. I need to double check this stuff! What an ill-conceived idea the Seattle Pilots were. Dubious funding and a minor league stadium that held fewer than 20,000 when the season began. Seattle had been a great PCL franchise, but it wasn't ready for the majors. Jim Bouton was among the better-known names, although his best days were well behind him. They had Tommy Davis, who had a couple of HOF seasons with the Dodgers before a broken ankle stopped him in his tracks and he never recovered. I remember how my father used to rave about Tommy Davis but he was a completely different player after his injury. This is how tentative things were. It wasn't until April 1 1970 -- six days before opening day -- that the Pilots learned they would move to Milwaukee for their second season. Of course Bud Selig, who had been a minority owner of the Milwaukee Braves, bought the team. He was always Mr. Milwaukee and an NL guy, so to Inger's point about league changes, Selig made sure his Brewers moved to the NL once he became Commissioner. Typical slimy Selig maneuver. Made for a great book though.... |
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Post by desousa on Jan 29, 2020 15:32:42 GMT -5
What an ill-conceived idea the Seattle Pilots were. Dubious funding and a minor league stadium that held fewer than 20,000 when the season began. Seattle had been a great PCL franchise, but it wasn't ready for the majors. Jim Bouton was among the better-known names, although his best days were well behind him. They had Tommy Davis, who had a couple of HOF seasons with the Dodgers before a broken ankle stopped him in his tracks and he never recovered. I remember how my father used to rave about Tommy Davis but he was a completely different player after his injury. This is how tentative things were. It wasn't until April 1 1970 -- six days before opening day -- that the Pilots learned they would move to Milwaukee for their second season. Of course Bud Selig, who had been a minority owner of the Milwaukee Braves, bought the team. He was always Mr. Milwaukee and an NL guy, so to Inger's point about league changes, Selig made sure his Brewers moved to the NL once he became Commissioner. Typical slimy Selig maneuver. Made for a great book though.... I was 14-15 years old when I read "Ball Four" and it really changed the way I looked at baseball and it's players. I bet it's still a good read. |
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Shape up or we're moving the team to New Jersey! Costanza! 
