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Post by inger on Jan 22, 2020 13:56:10 GMT -5
Not so sure, though the Braves did shorten the fences as he approached the record. That may have also given us the Davey Johnson “surprise” 40+ HR season...Was that cheating, too? Yeah... sorta... I was referring to the greenies... if people are gonna be self righteous for one drug, they need to apply it to all drugs... Shoot. I had forgotten about greenies. Bouton said he felt the advantage to be more psychological than physiological, and that could sometimes backfire on you. He said you could start feeling gay (funny how our language has changed), and think you could groove a fastball by a guy and, WHAM!. Anyway, yes. Greenies, cocaine, LSD, hog testicle extract, abstinence and alcohol have all been tried. some may have helped, so we’re legal and some were not. Nothing has shown much evidence of efficacy except for the modern pharmacology, but I do agree that cheating is cheating. If I were among the athletes I suppose that if someone wanted to take hog testicle extract because they felt that to be the only way they could me I probably feel okay with that. “Testicle away, my friend”. The same with drinking. I saw plenty of guys drink on the golf course to “relax”. In my experience they didn’t play any better, sometimes worse. But at least they didn’t care as much. That’s the one thing about the cheating of the late 20th century and after. It was very effective.I don’t think it was as wide spread as greenie use, therefore perhaps it the least fair of the environments... |
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Post by sierchio on Jan 22, 2020 14:24:26 GMT -5
As someone who tried methamphetamine, more than I'd like to admit, I could definitely see how it could give you a big edge in baseball.. And who knows how many players these days are legally using it because of doctors prescriptions for ADD.. I know the media has reported a few players that have exemptions but who knows how many we don't know about...
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Post by noetsi on Jan 22, 2020 17:30:56 GMT -5
The German army tried meth big time in WWII. To improve performance. It did not work real well.
Steroids are the only drug that I can think of that actually is illegal and improves performance. Alcohol is not going to improve performance, it will on average reduce it I would think by reducing reflexes and vision. The same is true of LSD, THC etc.
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Post by greatfatness on Jan 22, 2020 17:54:05 GMT -5
I was referring to the greenies... if people are gonna be self righteous for one drug, they need to apply it to all drugs... Anyway, yes. Greenies, cocaine, LSD, hog testicle extract, abstinence and alcohol have all been tried. some may have helped, so we’re legal and some were not. Nothing has shown much evidence of efficacy except for the modern pharmacology, but I do agree that cheating is cheating. If I were among the athletes I suppose that if someone wanted to take hog testicle extract because they felt that to be the only way they could me I probably feel okay with that. “Testicle away, my friend”. It would take a lot of balls to try that |
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Jan 22, 2020 18:00:25 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Jan 22, 2020 18:00:25 GMT -5
Anyway, yes. Greenies, cocaine, LSD, hog testicle extract, abstinence and alcohol have all been tried. some may have helped, so we’re legal and some were not. Nothing has shown much evidence of efficacy except for the modern pharmacology, but I do agree that cheating is cheating. If I were among the athletes I suppose that if someone wanted to take hog testicle extract because they felt that to be the only way they could me I probably feel okay with that. “Testicle away, my friend”. It would take a lot of balls to try that LOL. Big ‘uns... |
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Post by sierchio on Jan 22, 2020 19:45:50 GMT -5
Well we all know the Babe took the bull testicle extract lol
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Post by greatfatness on Jan 22, 2020 20:01:47 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Jan 22, 2020 20:44:53 GMT -5
Quite interesting point about aging as a baseball fan. In the early years we hear of players who we never saw that are in the HOF, and we must assume their greatness, with the evidence being numerical. For me that was Babe Ruth and Joe DiMaggio and their ilk. Then comes a phase where players that we saw perhaps as they were finishing their prime and subsequently playing out the final years. For me that meant Mickey Mantle and Whitey Ford. Following that comes the phase where you knew of the young boys and perhaps followed them as prospects with great expectations. You get to watch the entire process, all the way from youthful exuberance to the last pitch or swing. For me that now means Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera. I don’t see how I could have had two greater men to follow the career paths to demonstrate not only skill afield but honor as human beings. The Yankees may be the only franchise that could allow for such a group of phases for a young boy to follow into senior citizenship and be able to witness such a fine group, all of which played their most meaningful years if not all their years in a single uniform. Thankful to be a Yankee fan. In some ways I feel that I too have had a Hall of Fame life because of that great fortune of having picked out a hat I liked when I was maybe five years old. I suppose it was meant to be... |
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Post by rizzuto on Jan 22, 2020 23:19:02 GMT -5
Quite interesting point about aging as a baseball fan. In the early years we hear of players who we never saw that are in the HOF, and we must assume their greatness, with the evidence being numerical. For me that was Babe Ruth and Joe DiMaggio and their ilk. Then comes a phase where players that we saw perhaps as they were finishing their prime and subsequently playing out the final years. For me that meant Mickey Mantle and Whitey Ford. Following that comes the phase where you knew of the young boys and perhaps followed them as prospects with great expectations. You get to watch the entire process, all the way from youthful exuberance to the last pitch or swing. For me that now means Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera. I don’t see how I could have had two greater men to follow the career paths to demonstrate not only skill afield but honor as human beings. The Yankees may be the only franchise that could allow for such a group of phases for a young boy to follow into senior citizenship and be able to witness such a fine group, all of which played their most meaningful years if not all their years in a single uniform. Thankful to be a Yankee fan. In some ways I feel that I too have had a Hall of Fame life because of that great fortune of having picked out a hat I liked when I was maybe five years old. I suppose it was meant to be... I had no idea there was an NY on that sombrero... |
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Post by greatfatness on Jan 23, 2020 6:22:20 GMT -5
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Post by kaybli on Jan 23, 2020 10:34:01 GMT -5
Derek Jeter when asked, "When you look back on your career, what are you most proud of?”  |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 23, 2020 10:36:42 GMT -5
Derek Jeter when asked, "When you look back on your career, what are you most proud of?” Why we love Captain Clutch. |
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Post by greatfatness on Jan 23, 2020 14:30:24 GMT -5
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Post by rizzuto on Jan 23, 2020 21:12:16 GMT -5
Most shortstops don’t make that play because they’re too lazy to move to become the third cutoff man, instead choosing to watch the play in front of them. |
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Post by inger on Jan 23, 2020 21:40:30 GMT -5
Most shortstops don’t make that play because they’re too lazy to move to become the third cutoff man, instead choosing to watch the play in front of them. That is exactly what you call the devil in the details. I was often so disappointed in my team mates when they would lazily watch me cover areas that they could have reached faster, or at a better angle. Maybe some of that was because they knew that I was going to go to any lengths I could to make a play, I don’t know... I’d piss someone on my own team off once in a while when I’d speak up, but there were times it was just too much for me to hold in. Just remembering one of the few games I played at second base. It was near the end of my playing days and my arm was no longer any more than slightly below average. In that single game I had to retrieve a ball out of short RF right one line, that the 1B and RF both still almost stood stock still on, despite the fact that I was covering second for the potential steal. It turned into a disastrous two run triple. Had I not retrieved that ball it might still be lying there. Then, with a LHH hitter up, I had to hustle to second to apply a slap tag (out, baby) on a steal attempt. Finally, we had a ball hit into medium depth LCF that had the CF standing with his glove on top of his head, the shortstop trying, but turned the wrong way, and the LF playing cheerleader. Yes, the 2B (me) made the catch. Funny thing is that I broke immediately to the spot when the ball was hit because it had disaster written all over it. Besides, that guy had no business in CF. That had always been my position, but with my arm I thought maybe second base would keep me playing longer. When Jeter made that play I had full appreciation of the way he was thinking and the hustle it took to make that play. It’s called playing the game the right way, and game situation awareness...I actually knew in my heart that very few SS would have been in that place at that time... |
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