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Post by jiminy on Mar 17, 2024 14:32:17 GMT -5
Always glad to see another Mott fan. They had much more chart success in the UK than here, where "Dudes" was the only huge one, but I do recall "All The Way From Memphis" getting quite a bit of airplay and also "The Golden Age Of Rock And Roll" among others. I really liked their take on the Velvet Underground/Lou Reed "Sweet Jane" on the ATYD album. I wonder if you are among the few who remember The British Lions, the group the remains of Mott formed after Ian Hunter left to go solo and Mick Ralphs joined up with Paul Rodgers from Free to form Bad Company? The British Lions were an excellent band who seemed like they should have been commercially viable, but alas it was not to be. I can remember them being on the late-night music show "Midnight Special" in the late 70s. I still listen to their stuff from time to time. I am guessing you probably appreciated Ian Hunter's solo work as well -- my favorite of his was "Temporary Beauty" and of course he had "Cleveland Rocks" among his many efforts. He will be 85 years old later this year. How did that happen? I remember liking the cover artwork on the "Dudes" LP. It looked like a group of jazz-age swells at the racetrack. It was credited to an album cover artist (can't recall his name) who also did work for Bowie and T. Rex and Procol Harum. But I did some research on it and it turns out to have been lifted almost completely from a 1917 magazine ad for some clothing company. One of the casualties of the displacement of vinyl by CDs was the loss of highly visible cover artwork. Yes, I have been at two Ian Hunter concerts with Mick Ronson. In fact, I got their autographs as well at a record store promotion. I have never heard of the group British Lions, which kinda surprises me based on your description of the band. Which reminds of what Karen and Richard Carpenter said about Mott the Hoople being awful and amateurish and they went on to badmouth another of my favorite bands, The New York Dolls. as nothing more than a garage band. I am sorry, but a duo that amounted to nothing more than cover artists were way off base in their assessments of two great rock bands who relied on original material. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 17, 2024 18:49:35 GMT -5
Always glad to see another Mott fan. They had much more chart success in the UK than here, where "Dudes" was the only huge one, but I do recall "All The Way From Memphis" getting quite a bit of airplay and also "The Golden Age Of Rock And Roll" among others. I really liked their take on the Velvet Underground/Lou Reed "Sweet Jane" on the ATYD album. I wonder if you are among the few who remember The British Lions, the group the remains of Mott formed after Ian Hunter left to go solo and Mick Ralphs joined up with Paul Rodgers from Free to form Bad Company? The British Lions were an excellent band who seemed like they should have been commercially viable, but alas it was not to be. I can remember them being on the late-night music show "Midnight Special" in the late 70s. I still listen to their stuff from time to time. I am guessing you probably appreciated Ian Hunter's solo work as well -- my favorite of his was "Temporary Beauty" and of course he had "Cleveland Rocks" among his many efforts. He will be 85 years old later this year. How did that happen? I remember liking the cover artwork on the "Dudes" LP. It looked like a group of jazz-age swells at the racetrack. It was credited to an album cover artist (can't recall his name) who also did work for Bowie and T. Rex and Procol Harum. But I did some research on it and it turns out to have been lifted almost completely from a 1917 magazine ad for some clothing company. One of the casualties of the displacement of vinyl by CDs was the loss of highly visible cover artwork. Yes, I have been at two Ian Hunter concerts with Mick Ronson. In fact, I got their autographs as well at a record store promotion. I have never heard of the group British Lions, which kinda surprises me based on your description of the band. The one British Lions song that I ever heard get radio time was "One More Chance To Run." Other than my two brothers who were both fans, I've only known a few people who ever heard of them. But I have their album, so I know they existed -- Overend Watts, Buffin, Morgan Fisher, John Fiddler, etc. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 17, 2024 19:20:32 GMT -5
Yes, I have been at two Ian Hunter concerts with Mick Ronson. In fact, I got their autographs as well at a record store promotion. I have never heard of the group British Lions, which kinda surprises me based on your description of the band. Which reminds of what Karen and Richard Carpenter said about Mott the Hoople being awful and amateurish and they went on to badmouth another of my favorite bands, The New York Dolls. as nothing more than a garage band. I am sorry, but a duo that amounted to nothing more than cover artists were way off base in their assessments of two great rock bands who relied on original material. Yeah, two different musical planets, for sure. I'm a bit surprised that they would go out of their way to attack a band like that, because they seemed to me to still want some street cred despite making millions with mainstream pop. I remember a Rolling Stone interview with Karen Carpenter where she dropped more F-Bombs than Janis Joplin after a fifth of Southern Comfort. The New York Dolls were definitely cutting edge. Like Velvet Underground or Iggy and the Stooges. If I am remembering correctly, they were even ahead of the proto-punks like Talking Heads and The Sex Pistols and The Ramones and Patti Smith Group. David Johansen has been so over the map his whole career, but I liked him best during his solo "Funky But Chic" or "Is This What I Get For Loving You" period. As much as I always enjoyed a wide range of music, I was never going to be the first guy in my circle to latch on to a group like The New York Dolls. I always need an adjustment period, as I did with Hendrix or Steely Dan or any other new direction. But the adjustment period was never long -- like maybe a couple of days -- so at least I was the second or third guy in my circle to catch up and then it was my turn to say "What! You haven't heard that new cut from Nervus Rex? Where have you been?" The only time I ever went to CBGB the band playing was a group from Queens called The Fleshtones. I wonder if you recall them. I supported a lot of commercially unsuccessful bands in the 70s like The Fabulous Poodles and Four Out Of Five Doctors and Tenpole Tudor and Toe Fat. Another great lost band from that time was The Cretones -- very mainstream power pop, don't know how they didn't make it -- Ronstadt covered a bunch of their songs like "Catherine" and "Real Love" but of course she covered everything. Anyway, I love discussing this stuff. |
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 17, 2024 19:47:38 GMT -5
Which reminds of what Karen and Richard Carpenter said about Mott the Hoople being awful and amateurish and they went on to badmouth another of my favorite bands, The New York Dolls. as nothing more than a garage band. I am sorry, but a duo that amounted to nothing more than cover artists were way off base in their assessments of two great rock bands who relied on original material. Really weird Carpenters would even know of or weigh in re "Mott the Hoople". Another band with New York in their name..."New York Rock and Roll Ensemble", with the late Michael Kamen. Not many songs feature cellos & oboes... www.youtube.com/watch?v=oml7uPoTALg |
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Post by jiminy on Mar 18, 2024 10:50:16 GMT -5
Which reminds of what Karen and Richard Carpenter said about Mott the Hoople being awful and amateurish and they went on to badmouth another of my favorite bands, The New York Dolls. as nothing more than a garage band. I am sorry, but a duo that amounted to nothing more than cover artists were way off base in their assessments of two great rock bands who relied on original material. Yeah, two different musical planets, for sure. I'm a bit surprised that they would go out of their way to attack a band like that, because they seemed to me to still want some street cred despite making millions with mainstream pop. I remember a Rolling Stone interview with Karen Carpenter where she dropped more F-Bombs than Janis Joplin after a fifth of Southern Comfort. The New York Dolls were definitely cutting edge. Like Velvet Underground or Iggy and the Stooges. If I am remembering correctly, they were even ahead of the proto-punks like Talking Heads and The Sex Pistols and The Ramones and Patti Smith Group. David Johansen has been so over the map his whole career, but I liked him best during his solo "Funky But Chic" or "Is This What I Get For Loving You" period. As much as I always enjoyed a wide range of music, I was never going to be the first guy in my circle to latch on to a group like The New York Dolls. I always need an adjustment period, as I did with Hendrix or Steely Dan or any other new direction. But the adjustment period was never long -- like maybe a couple of days -- so at least I was the second or third guy in my circle to catch up and then it was my turn to say "What! You haven't heard that new cut from Nervus Rex? Where have you been?" The only time I ever went to CBGB the band playing was a group from Queens called The Fleshtones. I wonder if you recall them. I supported a lot of commercially unsuccessful bands in the 70s like The Fabulous Poodles and Four Out Of Five Doctors and Tenpole Tudor and Toe Fat. Another great lost band from that time was The Cretones -- very mainstream power pop, don't know how they didn't make it -- Ronstadt covered a bunch of their songs like "Catherine" and "Real Love" but of course she covered everything. Anyway, I love discussing this stuff. Numerous bands claimed The New York Dolls had an influenced in their muscial careers from Aerosmith, Kiss, Sex Pistols, and The Clash to name a few. I saw The New York Dolls in concert as well as David Johansen as David Johansen and Buster Pointdexter. I saw Buster Pointdexter in concert of all places in Disneyland and I pretty sure Marie Osmond was there as well. Yeah, back in the day at the Whiskey a Go Go, the Los Angeles version of CBGB, I saw Tom Petty opened up for Blondie and John (Cougar back then) Mellencamp opened up the Jam, not to forget seeing The Runaways (Joan Jett), Televison, Mink DeVille and Van Halen and down the street at the Roxy, I saw the Patty Smith Group and David Essex to name a few that I can remember at the top of my head. Going to concerts was great since the prices were so low compared to today. I saw Queen play for $6 at the Santa Monica Civic and a couple years ago a Queen tribute band wanted $20 at the Bakersfield Fox Theater. |
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 18, 2024 10:53:27 GMT -5
Yeah, two different musical planets, for sure. I'm a bit surprised that they would go out of their way to attack a band like that, because they seemed to me to still want some street cred despite making millions with mainstream pop. I remember a Rolling Stone interview with Karen Carpenter where she dropped more F-Bombs than Janis Joplin after a fifth of Southern Comfort. The New York Dolls were definitely cutting edge. Like Velvet Underground or Iggy and the Stooges. If I am remembering correctly, they were even ahead of the proto-punks like Talking Heads and The Sex Pistols and The Ramones and Patti Smith Group. David Johansen has been so over the map his whole career, but I liked him best during his solo "Funky But Chic" or "Is This What I Get For Loving You" period. As much as I always enjoyed a wide range of music, I was never going to be the first guy in my circle to latch on to a group like The New York Dolls. I always need an adjustment period, as I did with Hendrix or Steely Dan or any other new direction. But the adjustment period was never long -- like maybe a couple of days -- so at least I was the second or third guy in my circle to catch up and then it was my turn to say "What! You haven't heard that new cut from Nervus Rex? Where have you been?" The only time I ever went to CBGB the band playing was a group from Queens called The Fleshtones. I wonder if you recall them. I supported a lot of commercially unsuccessful bands in the 70s like The Fabulous Poodles and Four Out Of Five Doctors and Tenpole Tudor and Toe Fat. Another great lost band from that time was The Cretones -- very mainstream power pop, don't know how they didn't make it -- Ronstadt covered a bunch of their songs like "Catherine" and "Real Love" but of course she covered everything. Anyway, I love discussing this stuff. Numerous bands claimed The New York Dolls had an influenced in their muscial careers from Aerosmith, Kiss, Sex Pistols, and The Clash to name a few. I saw The New York Dolls in concert as well as David Johansen as David Johansen and Buster Pointdexter. I saw Buster Pointdexter in concert of all places in Disneyland and I pretty sure Marie Osmond was there as well. Yeah, back in the day at the Whiskey a Go Go, the Los Angeles version of CBGB, I saw Tom Petty opened up for Blondie and John (Cougar back then) Mellencamp opened up the Jam, not to forget seeing The Runaways (Joan Jett), Televison, Mink DeVille and Van Halen and down the street at the Roxy, I saw the Patty Smith Group and David Essex to name a few that I can remember at the top of my head. Going to concerts was great since the prices were so low compared to today. I saw Queen play for $6 at the Santa Monica Civic and a couple years ago a Queen tribute band wanted $20 at the Bakersfield Fox Theater. Saw The Beatles at Shea for around $5. |
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Post by chiyankee on Mar 18, 2024 10:55:25 GMT -5
Numerous bands claimed The New York Dolls had an influenced in their muscial careers from Aerosmith, Kiss, Sex Pistols, and The Clash to name a few. I saw The New York Dolls in concert as well as David Johansen as David Johansen and Buster Pointdexter. I saw Buster Pointdexter in concert of all places in Disneyland and I pretty sure Marie Osmond was there as well. Yeah, back in the day at the Whiskey a Go Go, the Los Angeles version of CBGB, I saw Tom Petty opened up for Blondie and John (Cougar back then) Mellencamp opened up the Jam, not to forget seeing The Runaways (Joan Jett), Televison, Mink DeVille and Van Halen and down the street at the Roxy, I saw the Patty Smith Group and David Essex to name a few that I can remember at the top of my head. Going to concerts was great since the prices were so low compared to today. I saw Queen play for $6 at the Santa Monica Civic and a couple years ago a Queen tribute band wanted $20 at the Bakersfield Fox Theater. Saw The Beatles at Shea for around $5. Wow! Hard to top that one. |
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Post by inger on Mar 18, 2024 10:59:57 GMT -5
Really weird Carpenters would even know of or weigh in re "Mott the Hoople". Another band with New York in their name..."New York Rock and Roll Ensemble", with the late Michael Kamen. Not many songs feature cellos & oboes... www.youtube.com/watch?v=oml7uPoTALgThat’s what I thought. The Carpenters weighing in on a rock band? I guess they considered themselves to be “rockers” back then… |
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 18, 2024 11:00:46 GMT -5
Saw The Beatles at Shea for around $5. Wow! Hard to top that one. It was an experience but, of course, couldn't actually hear them and we were sitting right behind the 3B dugout...stage was at 2B. Didn't have today's sound systems. |
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 18, 2024 11:04:28 GMT -5
Really weird Carpenters would even know of or weigh in re "Mott the Hoople". Another band with New York in their name..."New York Rock and Roll Ensemble", with the late Michael Kamen. Not many songs feature cellos & oboes... www.youtube.com/watch?v=oml7uPoTALgThat’s what I thought. The Carpenters weighing in on a rock band? I guess they considered themselves to be “rockers” back then… I have what I consider eclectic taste re music...others might call it something else. There were a few Carpenters songs I enjoyed...but I definitely wouldn't call them "rockers". |
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Post by chiyankee on Mar 18, 2024 11:07:42 GMT -5
Wow! Hard to top that one. It was an experience but, of course, couldn't actually hear them and we were sitting right behind the 3B dugout...stage was at 2B. Didn't have today's sound systems. And I imagine all the teenage girls never stopped screaming. |
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Post by inger on Mar 18, 2024 11:09:44 GMT -5
That’s what I thought. The Carpenters weighing in on a rock band? I guess they considered themselves to be “rockers” back then… I have what I consider eclectic taste re music...others might call it something else. There were a few Carpenters songs I enjoyed...but I definitely wouldn't call them "rockers". Straight to the folk music rack. And I did enjoy some of their stuff, too… I was helping to set up a new store once and there was a guy about ten years younger than me that came in to do a bit of carpentry. I had soft rock on that day. He liked heavier rock. As the day went on, he said “Leon, I just heard the Carpenters! Can we change the station?” I said “Gary, put it on any station you want buddy.” It was like I had told him he’d get double pay…. |
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 18, 2024 11:11:29 GMT -5
It was an experience but, of course, couldn't actually hear them and we were sitting right behind the 3B dugout...stage was at 2B. Didn't have today's sound systems. And I imagine all the teenage girls never stopped screaming. Non-stop...started before they even took the stage. If you plugged your ears you could hear the low end, but that was about it. |
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 18, 2024 11:13:54 GMT -5
I have what I consider eclectic taste re music...others might call it something else. There were a few Carpenters songs I enjoyed...but I definitely wouldn't call them "rockers". Straight to the folk music rack. And I did enjoy some of their stuff, too… I was helping to set up a new store once and there was a guy about ten years younger than me that came in to do a bit of carpentry. I had soft rock on that day. He liked heavier rock. As the day went on, he said “Leon, I just heard the Carpenters! Can we change the station?” I said “Gary, put it on any station you want buddy.” It was like I had told him he’d get double pay…. Call me sexist, but I always thought it was weird when Karen played drums, which she did early on. It was unusual at the time...fairly common now. |
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Post by chiyankee on Mar 18, 2024 11:14:30 GMT -5
That’s what I thought. The Carpenters weighing in on a rock band? I guess they considered themselves to be “rockers” back then… I have what I consider eclectic taste re music...others might call it something else. There were a few Carpenters songs I enjoyed...but I definitely wouldn't call them "rockers". Karen Carpenter was an excellent drummer but the only time I think of their music is at Christmas time when a local station here goes all Christmas music format and includes some their holiday covers. |
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