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Post by bomberhojoe on Mar 18, 2024 13:17:47 GMT -5
Straight to the folk music rack. And I did enjoy some of their stuff, too… I was helping to set up a new store once and there was a guy about ten years younger than me that came in to do a bit of carpentry. I had soft rock on that day. He liked heavier rock. As the day went on, he said “Leon, I just heard the Carpenters! Can we change the station?” I said “Gary, put it on any station you want buddy.” It was like I had told him he’d get double pay…. Call me sexist, but I always thought it was weird when Karen played drums, which she did early on. It was unusual at the time...fairly common now. Most of the drums on the Carpenter's recordings and their live shows was performed by Hal Blaine. Blaine was one of the most recorded drummers in history. He played with Dean Martin, Sinatra, Simon and Garfunkel, Elvis Presley, Beach Boys, and the Byrds to name a few.
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 18, 2024 13:18:43 GMT -5
Really weird Carpenters would even know of or weigh in re "Mott the Hoople". Another band with New York in their name..."New York Rock and Roll Ensemble", with the late Michael Kamen. Not many songs feature cellos & oboes... www.youtube.com/watch?v=oml7uPoTALgOh man, that one made my day. I haven't thought about the New York Rock and Roll Ensemble in decades, but that album was one of the heavy rotation background soundtracks for our weeknight post-dinner pinochle/poker/hearts games in college. "Down The Highway" and "Gravedigger" are two more I remember well from that LP. That album and stuff by Seatrain ("13 Questions) and The Moody Blues ("Threshhold Of A Dream") and Led Zeppelin (1 through 4) and Cream ("Wheels Of Fire") have those same associations. Also the enormously talented Emitt Rhodes ("Fresh As A Daisy") who I am guessing you are familiar with. NY R&R Ensemble came a few years after another enormously talented group of Juilliard students, the Left Banke, had some big hits of the baroque rock school -- "Walk Away Renee" and "Pretty Ballerina" were their two biggest, but their albums were all very strong. The Move, a UK group that later morphed into ELO, was another group that brought their own cellos to the concert.
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 18, 2024 13:23:56 GMT -5
Straight to the folk music rack. And I did enjoy some of their stuff, too… I was helping to set up a new store once and there was a guy about ten years younger than me that came in to do a bit of carpentry. I had soft rock on that day. He liked heavier rock. As the day went on, he said “Leon, I just heard the Carpenters! Can we change the station?” I said “Gary, put it on any station you want buddy.” It was like I had told him he’d get double pay…. Call me sexist, but I always thought it was weird when Karen played drums, which she did early on. It was unusual at the time...fairly common now. The only 60s groups with girl drummers who had Top 40 hits that I can think of were The Honeycombs (Honey Lantry drumming on "Have I The Right") and The Mojo Men (Jan Errico drumming on their elegant version of Stephen Stills' "Sit Down I Think I Love You"). The first girl group I recall in which they all played instruments and had some chart records was Fanny in the early 70s (hits with "Charity Ball" and a cover of Marvin Gaye's "Ain't That Peculiar.") They were serious rockers and definitely inspired The Runaways and The Go-Gos among others.
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 18, 2024 13:30:21 GMT -5
Call me sexist, but I always thought it was weird when Karen played drums, which she did early on. It was unusual at the time...fairly common now. Most of the drums on the Carpenter's recordings and their live shows was performed by Hal Blaine. Blaine was one of the most recorded drummers in history. He played with Dean Martin, Sinatra, Simon and Garfunkel, Elvis Presley, Beach Boys, and the Byrds to name a few. Hal Blaine is an absolute legend, even by Wrecking Crew standards. He had a British equivalent in Bobby Graham. I have some vague recollection that Cubby O'Brien from the original Mouseketeers (with his twin sister Karen) also did some drumming for The Carpenters. Hal Blaine actually had a spoken word vocal on a Beach Boys album cut called "Amusement Park USA" where he does a carnival barker spiel.
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 18, 2024 13:32:07 GMT -5
Saw The Beatles at Shea for around $5. Wow! Hard to top that one. Yeah Chi. I said before that one wins the internet. The rest of us are just vying for second place.
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 18, 2024 13:44:50 GMT -5
Really weird Carpenters would even know of or weigh in re "Mott the Hoople". Another band with New York in their name..."New York Rock and Roll Ensemble", with the late Michael Kamen. Not many songs feature cellos & oboes... www.youtube.com/watch?v=oml7uPoTALgOh man, that one made my day. I haven't thought about the New York Rock and Roll Ensemble in decades, but that album was one of the heavy rotation background soundtracks for our weeknight post-dinner pinochle/poker/hearts games in college. "Down The Highway" and "Gravedigger" are two more I remember well from that LP. That album and stuff by Seatrain ("13 Questions) and The Moody Blues ("Threshhold Of A Dream") and Led Zeppelin (1 through 4) and Cream ("Wheels Of Fire") have those same associations. Also the enormously talented Emitt Rhodes ("Fresh As A Daisy") who I am guessing you are familiar with. NY R&R Ensemble came a few years after another enormously talented group of Juilliard students, the Left Banke, had some big hits of the baroque rock school -- "Walk Away Renee" and "Pretty Ballerina" were their two biggest, but their albums were all very strong. The Move, a UK group that later morphed into ELO, was another group that brought their own cellos to the concert. "Walk Away Renee" & "Pretty Ballerina" were favorites. Had the singles of both and as I recall the flip side of one was also pretty good...although I don't remember the name or the tune. I believe "Beside You" (NYR&R) was used in the Robin Williams movie "What Dreams May Come". Years ago, prior to having a closed MRI I was asked if I wanted any music piped in. I said ok, and was given a choice from the artists available. I chose Moody Blues and once I was inside "Threshold Of A Dream" began, starting with "In The Beginning". I was really happy when "Lovely To See You" kicked in.
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 18, 2024 13:49:27 GMT -5
Yeah, two different musical planets, for sure. I'm a bit surprised that they would go out of their way to attack a band like that, because they seemed to me to still want some street cred despite making millions with mainstream pop. I remember a Rolling Stone interview with Karen Carpenter where she dropped more F-Bombs than Janis Joplin after a fifth of Southern Comfort. The New York Dolls were definitely cutting edge. Like Velvet Underground or Iggy and the Stooges. If I am remembering correctly, they were even ahead of the proto-punks like Talking Heads and The Sex Pistols and The Ramones and Patti Smith Group. David Johansen has been so over the map his whole career, but I liked him best during his solo "Funky But Chic" or "Is This What I Get For Loving You" period. As much as I always enjoyed a wide range of music, I was never going to be the first guy in my circle to latch on to a group like The New York Dolls. I always need an adjustment period, as I did with Hendrix or Steely Dan or any other new direction. But the adjustment period was never long -- like maybe a couple of days -- so at least I was the second or third guy in my circle to catch up and then it was my turn to say "What! You haven't heard that new cut from Nervus Rex? Where have you been?" The only time I ever went to CBGB the band playing was a group from Queens called The Fleshtones. I wonder if you recall them. I supported a lot of commercially unsuccessful bands in the 70s like The Fabulous Poodles and Four Out Of Five Doctors and Tenpole Tudor and Toe Fat. Another great lost band from that time was The Cretones -- very mainstream power pop, don't know how they didn't make it -- Ronstadt covered a bunch of their songs like "Catherine" and "Real Love" but of course she covered everything. Anyway, I love discussing this stuff. Numerous bands claimed The New York Dolls had an influenced in their muscial careers from Aerosmith, Kiss, Sex Pistols, and The Clash to name a few. I saw The New York Dolls in concert as well as David Johansen as David Johansen and Buster Pointdexter. I saw Buster Pointdexter in concert of all places in Disneyland and I pretty sure Marie Osmond was there as well. Yeah, back in the day at the Whiskey a Go Go, the Los Angeles version of CBGB, I saw Tom Petty opened up for Blondie and John (Cougar back then) Mellencamp opened up the Jam, not to forget seeing The Runaways (Joan Jett), Televison, Mink DeVille and Van Halen and down the street at the Roxy, I saw the Patty Smith Group and David Essex to name a few that I can remember at the top of my head. Going to concerts was great since the prices were so low compared to today. I saw Queen play for $6 at the Santa Monica Civic and a couple years ago a Queen tribute band wanted $20 at the Bakersfield Fox Theater. Didn't know you were an LA guy. I lived there from 95-2000, but by then when I went to a club it was to see somebody whose heyday was decades earlier. Although I made a point to visit the legends that were still around like The Whisky and The Roxy and The Rainbow Bar and Grill. I actually did stop in at the Rainbow while passing through LA in the summer of 72 on a trip from the Bay Area to Tijuana. It was brand new then and the group NRBQ was playing there. We also dropped into Gazzari's if you remember that one. Great fun. Funny you mentioned Disneyland. The night after our brief encounter with the Sunset Strip we went to Knotts Berry Farm and Disneyland -- I grew up on the East Coast and had never been there and I insisted over strong opposition. Anyway, in addition to A Small World After All and the Jungle Cruise we saw Tommy Roe performing. Not exactly avant garde, but he was a good guy and everybody had a great time. Santa Monica Civic Auditorium was another place I had to pay homage to. When I was in high school there was a film called "The TAMI Show" that a bunch of us went to see that was filmed there -- hosted by Jan and Dean and featuring The Beach Boys, The Rolling Stones, James Brown, Chuck Berry, Marvin Gaye, Lesley Gore, Gerry and the Pacemakers and many more. The Stones were in the unenviable position of closing directly after James Brown had brought the place to an insane frenzy, and they were not happy about it. I still watch that James Brown clip periodically and it's as stunning now as we thought it was back in 1964.
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 18, 2024 13:49:37 GMT -5
Call me sexist, but I always thought it was weird when Karen played drums, which she did early on. It was unusual at the time...fairly common now. Most of the drums on the Carpenter's recordings and their live shows was performed by Hal Blaine. Blaine was one of the most recorded drummers in history. He played with Dean Martin, Sinatra, Simon and Garfunkel, Elvis Presley, Beach Boys, and the Byrds to name a few. The Byrds were my favorite American group. Their original drummer, Michael Clarke, barely knew how to play drums. He was chosen because of his resemblance to Stones Brian Jones. Let's not forget Rochester native Steve Gadd among terrific studio drummers...he of the fantastic "Aja" sem-solo.
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 18, 2024 13:56:16 GMT -5
Oh man, that one made my day. I haven't thought about the New York Rock and Roll Ensemble in decades, but that album was one of the heavy rotation background soundtracks for our weeknight post-dinner pinochle/poker/hearts games in college. "Down The Highway" and "Gravedigger" are two more I remember well from that LP. That album and stuff by Seatrain ("13 Questions) and The Moody Blues ("Threshhold Of A Dream") and Led Zeppelin (1 through 4) and Cream ("Wheels Of Fire") have those same associations. Also the enormously talented Emitt Rhodes ("Fresh As A Daisy") who I am guessing you are familiar with. NY R&R Ensemble came a few years after another enormously talented group of Juilliard students, the Left Banke, had some big hits of the baroque rock school -- "Walk Away Renee" and "Pretty Ballerina" were their two biggest, but their albums were all very strong. The Move, a UK group that later morphed into ELO, was another group that brought their own cellos to the concert. "Walk Away Renee" & "Pretty Ballerina" were favorites. Had the singles of both and as I recall the flip side of one was also pretty good...although I don't remember the name or the tune. I believe "Beside You" (NYR&R) was used in the Robin Williams movie "What Dreams May Come". Years ago, prior to having a closed MRI I was asked if I wanted any music piped in. I said ok, and was given a choice from the artists available. I chose Moody Blues and once I was inside "Threshold Of A Dream' began, starting with "In The Beginning". I was really happy when "Lovely To See You" kicked in. Good stuff Bob. The flips of those two were "I Haven't Got The Nerve" and "Lazy Day." Both nice songs. They had another minor hit called "She May Call You Up Tonight" that I like as much as Renee and Ballerina. The Moodies did have just a touch of pretense with their ponderous poetic breaks, but I still like the music. Others from that album were "Send Me No Wine" and "Never Comes The Day" and "Are You Sitting Comfortably." And always great album covers.
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 18, 2024 13:57:11 GMT -5
Most of the drums on the Carpenter's recordings and their live shows was performed by Hal Blaine. Blaine was one of the most recorded drummers in history. He played with Dean Martin, Sinatra, Simon and Garfunkel, Elvis Presley, Beach Boys, and the Byrds to name a few. The Byrds were my favorite American group. Their original drummer, Michael Clarke, barely knew how to play drums. He was chosen because of his resemblance to Stones Brian Jones. Let's not forget Rochester native Steve Gadd among terrific studio drummers...he of the fantastic "Aja" sem-solo. And Blaine was from right down the Thruway in Buffalo.
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 18, 2024 13:59:32 GMT -5
"Walk Away Renee" & "Pretty Ballerina" were favorites. Had the singles of both and as I recall the flip side of one was also pretty good...although I don't remember the name or the tune. I believe "Beside You" (NYR&R) was used in the Robin Williams movie "What Dreams May Come". Years ago, prior to having a closed MRI I was asked if I wanted any music piped in. I said ok, and was given a choice from the artists available. I chose Moody Blues and once I was inside "Threshold Of A Dream' began, starting with "In The Beginning". I was really happy when "Lovely To See You" kicked in. Good stuff Bob. The flips of those two were "I Haven't Got The Nerve" and "Lazy Day." Both nice songs. They had another minor hit called "She May Call You Up Tonight" that I like as much as Renee and Ballerina. The Moodies did have just a touch of pretense with their ponderous poetic breaks, but I still like the music. Others from that album were "Send Me No Wine" and "Never Comes The Day" and "Are You Sitting Comfortably." And always great album covers. Yep...those are the two. Don't recall "She May Call You Up Tonight" Wouldn't call myself a huge Moody Blues fan, but as things have worked out I've seen them in concert several times. Red Rocks was the best...and most appropriate.
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 18, 2024 14:01:16 GMT -5
I have what I consider eclectic taste re music...others might call it something else. There were a few Carpenters songs I enjoyed...but I definitely wouldn't call them "rockers". Karen Carpenter was an excellent drummer but the only time I think of their music is at Christmas time when a local station here goes all Christmas music format and includes some their holiday covers. I will admit right here on this forum that I liked the fuzz guitar solo on "Goodbye To Love." And remember even John Lennon loved Karen's voice. Of course he also married Yoko, so maybe we shouldn't take his opinions too seriously.
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 18, 2024 14:04:16 GMT -5
Good stuff Bob. The flips of those two were "I Haven't Got The Nerve" and "Lazy Day." Both nice songs. They had another minor hit called "She May Call You Up Tonight" that I like as much as Renee and Ballerina. The Moodies did have just a touch of pretense with their ponderous poetic breaks, but I still like the music. Others from that album were "Send Me No Wine" and "Never Comes The Day" and "Are You Sitting Comfortably." And always great album covers. Yep...those are the two. Don't recall "She May Call You Up Tonight" Wouldn't call myself a huge Moody Blues fan, but as things have worked out I've seen them in concert several times. Red Rocks was the best...and most appropriate. Red Rocks is beautiful. I was blown away when I finally made it there. I am sure you know The Beatles played there. Hollywood Bowl, where they also played, is another wonderful venue. We went to many concerts there, but it was usually for the LA Philharmonic.
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 18, 2024 14:05:54 GMT -5
Karen Carpenter was an excellent drummer but the only time I think of their music is at Christmas time when a local station here goes all Christmas music format and includes some their holiday covers. I will admit right here on this forum that I liked the fuzz guitar solo on "Goodbye To Love." And remember even John Lennon loved Karen's voice. Of course he also married Yoko, so maybe we shouldn't take his opinions too seriously. "Who Has Seen The Wind".... youtu.be/2hMaGLwPq_U
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Post by bomberhojoe on Mar 18, 2024 14:07:46 GMT -5
Most of the drums on the Carpenter's recordings and their live shows was performed by Hal Blaine. Blaine was one of the most recorded drummers in history. He played with Dean Martin, Sinatra, Simon and Garfunkel, Elvis Presley, Beach Boys, and the Byrds to name a few. The Byrds were my favorite American group. Their original drummer, Michael Clarke, barely knew how to play drums. He was chosen because of his resemblance to Stones Brian Jones. Let's not forget Rochester native Steve Gadd among terrific studio drummers...he of the fantastic "Aja" sem-solo. I've been a drummer pretty much since I was born, and have seen over 50 years of some great drummers. Steve Gadd may be the best I've ever seen. There's a video of Steve playing in the army jazz band some time in the 1960s. He was already pretty awesome then.
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