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Post by chiyankee on Mar 18, 2024 14:45:56 GMT -5
Karen Carpenter was an excellent drummer but the only time I think of their music is at Christmas time when a local station here goes all Christmas music format and includes some their holiday covers. I will admit right here on this forum that I liked the fuzz guitar solo on "Goodbye To Love." And remember even John Lennon loved Karen's voice. Of course he also married Yoko, so maybe we shouldn't take his opinions too seriously. OK, maybe I went overboard calling Karen an excellent drummer.  I do believe that she was at least competent behind the kit before being pressured by her record label and brother to step away from the drums and focus more on her lead singing, probably to better market their act. On a sad note, some believe that may have lead to her anxiety which lead to her eating disorders which eventually lead to her death. Who knows for sure. |
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Post by inger on Mar 18, 2024 14:51:39 GMT -5
Karen Carpenter was an excellent drummer but the only time I think of their music is at Christmas time when a local station here goes all Christmas music format and includes some their holiday covers. I will admit right here on this forum that I liked the fuzz guitar solo on "Goodbye To Love." And remember even John Lennon loved Karen's voice. Of course he also married Yoko, so maybe we shouldn't take his opinions too seriously. Karen Carpenter had incredible intonation, but once I saw them in TV I couldn’t unsee, nor unhear her lisp. That also led me to notice Richard’s lisp as well. My apology to any lispers we may have in our group. Most of you, I’m guessing are not singing professionally… |
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Post by inger on Mar 18, 2024 14:53:13 GMT -5
By Yoko standards that's practically "In My Life" caliber. At least she doesn't sound like she is being murdered in this one. At least the world was spared a Yoko/Linda McCartney "Together At Last" tour. Yikes! … |
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 18, 2024 15:08:41 GMT -5
I will admit right here on this forum that I liked the fuzz guitar solo on "Goodbye To Love." And remember even John Lennon loved Karen's voice. Of course he also married Yoko, so maybe we shouldn't take his opinions too seriously. Karen Carpenter had incredible intonation, but once I saw them in TV I couldn’t unsee, nor unhear her lisp. That also led me to notice Richard’s lisp as well. My apology to any lispers we may have in our group. Most of you, I’m guessing are not singing professionally… When she was asked why she so consistently sang in her lower register, Karen Carpenter said "The money's in the basement." I always liked that formulation. |
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Post by inger on Mar 18, 2024 15:16:08 GMT -5
Karen Carpenter had incredible intonation, but once I saw them in TV I couldn’t unsee, nor unhear her lisp. That also led me to notice Richard’s lisp as well. My apology to any lispers we may have in our group. Most of you, I’m guessing are not singing professionally… When she was asked why she so consistently sang in her lower register, Karen Carpenter said "The money's in the basement." I always liked that formulation. I sang in my lower register as a boy because I thought it was “macho”. Who cares? There was no money in the basement t or the attic… 😂 But Karen was right. Her upper register would have never hit the charts on a consistent basis…Like two completely different voices… |
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Post by jiminy on Mar 18, 2024 17:19:11 GMT -5
Numerous bands claimed The New York Dolls had an influenced in their muscial careers from Aerosmith, Kiss, Sex Pistols, and The Clash to name a few. I saw The New York Dolls in concert as well as David Johansen as David Johansen and Buster Pointdexter. I saw Buster Pointdexter in concert of all places in Disneyland and I pretty sure Marie Osmond was there as well. Yeah, back in the day at the Whiskey a Go Go, the Los Angeles version of CBGB, I saw Tom Petty opened up for Blondie and John (Cougar back then) Mellencamp opened up the Jam, not to forget seeing The Runaways (Joan Jett), Televison, Mink DeVille and Van Halen and down the street at the Roxy, I saw the Patty Smith Group and David Essex to name a few that I can remember at the top of my head. Going to concerts was great since the prices were so low compared to today. I saw Queen play for $6 at the Santa Monica Civic and a couple years ago a Queen tribute band wanted $20 at the Bakersfield Fox Theater. Saw The Beatles at Shea for around $5. That was a different time. Late last year, my daughter saw Taylor Swift in concert for around $500. For $500, I saw some of the best music acts like the Stones, The Who, Bruce Springteen, The Clash, David Bowie, Queen, Roxy Music, ELO, Tom Petty, T-Rex, Peter Gabriel, Prince, Michael Jackson and Sly and the Family Stone and still would have change to see more acts. |
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 18, 2024 17:24:51 GMT -5
Saw The Beatles at Shea for around $5. That was a different time. Late last year, my daughter saw Taylor Swift in concert for around $500. For $500, I saw some of the best music acts like the Stones, The Who, Bruce Springteen, The Clash, David Bowie, Queen, Roxy Music, ELO, Tom Petty, T-Rex, Peter Gabriel, Prince, Michael Jackson and Sly and the Family Stone and still would change to see more acts. Of course. But $5. then is $50. today...so it's not inflation. One of my sons was a HUGE U2 fan. I remember when they played Mile High Stadium around '96 it cost him around $350 each...he took his girlfriend. BTW...when you saw Springsteen, did he throw any "speedballs"? |
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Post by jiminy on Mar 18, 2024 17:35:30 GMT -5
That was a different time. Late last year, my daughter saw Taylor Swift in concert for around $500. For $500, I saw some of the best music acts like the Stones, The Who, Bruce Springteen, The Clash, David Bowie, Queen, Roxy Music, ELO, Tom Petty, T-Rex, Peter Gabriel, Prince, Michael Jackson and Sly and the Family Stone and still would change to see more acts. Of course. But $5. then is $50. today...so it's not inflation. One of my sons was a HUGE U2 fan. I remember when they played Mile High Stadium around '96 it cost him around $350 each...he took his girlfriend. BTW...when you saw Springsteen, did he throw any "speedballs"? With that change, I saw U 2 and The Doors as well. I don't get the reference to "speedballs". I saw Springteen twice in concert. What was kinda funny was the second time I saw Springteen, someone stop me and asked for my autograph believing I was Ritchie Blackmore of Deep Purple. |
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Post by bomberhojoe on Mar 18, 2024 17:45:06 GMT -5
I've been a drummer pretty much since I was born, and have seen over 50 years of some great drummers. Steve Gadd may be the best I've ever seen. There's a video of Steve playing in the army jazz band some time in the 1960s. He was already pretty awesome then. What's your opinion Jeff Porcaro, the 70's version of Hal Blaine, who later was in Toto? Jeff Porcaro was a great drummer. Along with Toto, he did lots of studio work. Steely Dan, Jackson Browne, Boz Scaggs, Hall and Oates, Warren Zevon, Springsteen, Simon and Garfunkel and Dire Straits to name but a few. |
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 18, 2024 17:50:02 GMT -5
Of course. But $5. then is $50. today...so it's not inflation. One of my sons was a HUGE U2 fan. I remember when they played Mile High Stadium around '96 it cost him around $350 each...he took his girlfriend. BTW...when you saw Springsteen, did he throw any "speedballs"? With that change, I saw U 2 and The Doors as well. I don't get the reference to "speedballs". I saw Springteen twice in concert. What was kinda funny was the second time I saw Springteen, someone stop me and asked for my autograph believing I was Ritchie Blackmore of Deep Purple. "I don't get the reference to "speedballs"." From his song "Glory Days"... |
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Post by chiyankee on Mar 18, 2024 18:04:23 GMT -5
With that change, I saw U 2 and The Doors as well. I don't get the reference to "speedballs". I saw Springteen twice in concert. What was kinda funny was the second time I saw Springteen, someone stop me and asked for my autograph believing I was Ritchie Blackmore of Deep Purple. "I don't get the reference to "speedballs"." From his song "Glory Days"... Kind of like John Fogerty and his "I can be centerfield". We always said "I can play centerfield" |
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Post by bomberhojoe on Mar 18, 2024 18:08:22 GMT -5
There was a female drummer who played with Santana alot who was really good. Yeah...I just thought it was odd at the time, just as I thought drummers as lead singers was. I can't justify it...just was. Sheila E. was Prince's drummer. I think Cindy Blackman was Santana's drummer. Check out "Count Me In" if you have Netflix. Yes, Cindy Blackman (Mrs. Santana) has been drummer for Santana for the last decade. Santana has had several drummers over the years. Most famously was probably Mike Shrieve who played with him at Woodstock. |
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Post by bomberhojoe on Mar 18, 2024 18:11:17 GMT -5
I've been a drummer pretty much since I was born, and have seen over 50 years of some great drummers. Steve Gadd may be the best I've ever seen. There's a video of Steve playing in the army jazz band some time in the 1960s. He was already pretty awesome then. Great! What's your opinion of Neil Peart? When I was younger I thought Neil was a bit of an overplayer. But as I got older I grew to appreciate him more. He was an amazing talent! Gone too soon. |
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 18, 2024 18:15:04 GMT -5
Great! What's your opinion of Neil Peart? When I was younger I thought Neil was a bit of an overplayer. But as I got older I grew to appreciate him more. He was an amazing talent! Gone too soon. Yep...I wasn't a "Rush" fan, so I didn't pay a lot of attention to them. It wasn't until later that I did, and he was awesome. I think he was a big fan of Buddy Rich...and was an accomplished jazz drummer himself. And yeah...a lot of heartache in his far too short life. |
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Post by bomberhojoe on Mar 18, 2024 18:37:21 GMT -5
I've been a drummer pretty much since I was born, and have seen over 50 years of some great drummers. Steve Gadd may be the best I've ever seen. There's a video of Steve playing in the army jazz band some time in the 1960s. He was already pretty awesome then. How do you rate Gene Krupa? And who are your favorite rock drummers? I'm a big Gene Krupa fan! He was flashy, but was a great timekeeper. Sing Sing Sing is a absolute classic tune. Some of my favorite rock drummers have already been mentioned. Jeff Porcaro, Neil Peart, Steve Gadd, Bonham and Dennis Chambers. Some others (in no particular order) are Stewart Copeland, Vinnie Colaiuta, Carmine Appice, Steve Smith, Carl Palmer, Steve Jordan, Phil Collins, Kenny Aronoff, and Omar Hakim. |
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I do believe that she was at least competent behind the kit before being pressured by her record label and brother to step away from the drums and focus more on her lead singing, probably to better market their act. 
