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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 19, 2024 11:52:06 GMT -5
Not to mention more elobrate staging. I am more old school like guitarist Joe Perry of Aerosmith stated in his song "Let The Music Do Talking". I think a lot of it may be due to how artists generate income today. Used to be bands toured to promote their record sales...now they make much of their money playing concerts. Dr. Hook would have to do a serious inflation adjustment for that line "We sing about beauty and we sing about truth, for ten thousand dollars a show." But that was 1972. |
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Post by bomberhojoe on Mar 19, 2024 12:00:24 GMT -5
I'm a big Gene Krupa fan! He was flashy, but was a great timekeeper. Sing Sing Sing is a absolute classic tune. Some of my favorite rock drummers have already been mentioned. Jeff Porcaro, Neil Peart, Steve Gadd, Bonham and Dennis Chambers. Some others (in no particular order) are Stewart Copeland, Vinnie Colaiuta, Carmine Appice, Steve Smith, Carl Palmer, Steve Jordan, Phil Collins, Kenny Aronoff, and Omar Hakim. Oh man, "Sing Sing Sing" is a rocker for sure. It still sounds good today. I know he sort of achieved superstardom working with Goodman, who was brilliant of course but difficult to work with. Krupa did a couple of albums with Buddy Rich that you are probably aware of. I always defer to those who understand the nuances of drumming. Yeah, the guys you named usually seem to pop up on lists by knowledgeable critics. I also liked Keith Moon, Ginger Baker, Mitch Mitchell from Hendrix, Al Jackson from Booker T, Benny Benjamin from the Funk Brothers at Motown and James Brown's two main drummers, Clyde Stubblefield and Jabo Starks. Of course Clyde and Jabo had to play great or James would levy some serious fines. Since I'm not a drummer, I also like flash, so a guy like Dino Danelli from The Rascals is up my alley for twirling his sticks and flipping them up in the air. Sounds good enough to me. A product of my age, but the first drum solo that really caught my ear was Ron Wilson of The Surfaris doing "Wipe Out." I still love it. I saw those guys play during Surf Night (one of my sweet spots) at The House Of Blues in LA in the 90s. Before they went on, they held a drawing and the winner got to sit in on drums for "Wipe Out." He got a lot of laughs. For pure endurance, I still give credit to Ron Bushy of Iron Butterfly for that eleven-minute (or whatever it was) solo in "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida." But thanks so much for your insights on this Joe. Much appreciated. No thanks necessary, I love talking music and drums. There is and was lots of talent in the names you mentioned! Here's one of the greatest drummers of all-time in a battle with the Legend Buddy Rich! |
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 19, 2024 12:11:11 GMT -5
Oh man, "Sing Sing Sing" is a rocker for sure. It still sounds good today. I know he sort of achieved superstardom working with Goodman, who was brilliant of course but difficult to work with. Krupa did a couple of albums with Buddy Rich that you are probably aware of. I always defer to those who understand the nuances of drumming. Yeah, the guys you named usually seem to pop up on lists by knowledgeable critics. I also liked Keith Moon, Ginger Baker, Mitch Mitchell from Hendrix, Al Jackson from Booker T, Benny Benjamin from the Funk Brothers at Motown and James Brown's two main drummers, Clyde Stubblefield and Jabo Starks. Of course Clyde and Jabo had to play great or James would levy some serious fines. Since I'm not a drummer, I also like flash, so a guy like Dino Danelli from The Rascals is up my alley for twirling his sticks and flipping them up in the air. Sounds good enough to me. A product of my age, but the first drum solo that really caught my ear was Ron Wilson of The Surfaris doing "Wipe Out." I still love it. I saw those guys play during Surf Night (one of my sweet spots) at The House Of Blues in LA in the 90s. Before they went on, they held a drawing and the winner got to sit in on drums for "Wipe Out." He got a lot of laughs. For pure endurance, I still give credit to Ron Bushy of Iron Butterfly for that eleven-minute (or whatever it was) solo in "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida." But thanks so much for your insights on this Joe. Much appreciated. No thanks necessary, I love talking music and drums. There is and was lots of talent in the names you mentioned! Here's one of the greatest drummers of all-time in a battle with the Legend Buddy Rich! Great clip! Buddy Rich was a natural entertainer. |
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 19, 2024 12:17:48 GMT -5
IMO Gary Husband should be on the great drummers list. I really liked some of the stuff Level 42 put out...don't think he was with them early on.
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Post by inger on Mar 19, 2024 12:59:19 GMT -5
You are not alone, inger! Inger, if you were listening to Small Faces in the late 60s that would pretty much have made you avant garde. Although they had a lot of hits in the UK, "Itchykoo Park" was the only song of theirs that made it onto the Billboard Top 40. "Tin Soldier" did make it into the bottom rungs of the Hot 100 in 1967, whereas they had tons of hits back home. I always figured one way to be considered ahead of the pack musically was to be in on an act that was big in the UK but almost unknown in the US. Like Brinsley Schwarz or The Buzzcocks in the 1970s. I think Kenney Jones gets plenty of props for his drumming -- after all, he joined up with The Who after Keith Moon's death -- and to my percussion-untrained ears your pick sounds pretty good to me too. I like Rod's take on "I'm Losing You" even while still loving the original by The Temptations. I wasn't that crazy about Rare Earth's version. So maybe you were one of the cool kids anyway. Unless you were also listening to Donny and Marie or had posters of Wayne Newton up on your wall. Those definitely would have been violations. Lol. I’d be more likely to have a poster of a Fig Newton. The first time I ever heard or encountered Wayne Newton was when he appeared on “Bonanza”. I was not kind in my assessment… I was pretty sure Donnie and Marie were the same person until I saw them in person and then Marie started to bud out… |
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 19, 2024 13:04:59 GMT -5
Lol. I’d be more likely to have a poster of a Fig Newton. The first time I ever heard or encountered Wayne Newton was when he appeared on “Bonanza”. I was not kind in my assessment… Wayne Newton was "discovered" by Lucy on "The Lucy Show" singing "Bessie The Heifer". |
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Post by bomberhojoe on Mar 19, 2024 13:22:06 GMT -5
IMO Gary Husband should be on the great drummers list. I really liked some of the stuff Level 42 put out...don't think he was with them early on. Gary Husband is an excellent drummer. I believe Phil Gould may have been the early drummer for Level 42. In regards to Gary Husband, for those who like jazz, he did some great stuff with the legendary Allan Holdsworth. |
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Post by bomberhojoe on Mar 19, 2024 13:23:41 GMT -5
Inger, if you were listening to Small Faces in the late 60s that would pretty much have made you avant garde. Although they had a lot of hits in the UK, "Itchykoo Park" was the only song of theirs that made it onto the Billboard Top 40. "Tin Soldier" did make it into the bottom rungs of the Hot 100 in 1967, whereas they had tons of hits back home. I always figured one way to be considered ahead of the pack musically was to be in on an act that was big in the UK but almost unknown in the US. Like Brinsley Schwarz or The Buzzcocks in the 1970s. I think Kenney Jones gets plenty of props for his drumming -- after all, he joined up with The Who after Keith Moon's death -- and to my percussion-untrained ears your pick sounds pretty good to me too. I like Rod's take on "I'm Losing You" even while still loving the original by The Temptations. I wasn't that crazy about Rare Earth's version. So maybe you were one of the cool kids anyway. Unless you were also listening to Donny and Marie or had posters of Wayne Newton up on your wall. Those definitely would have been violations. Lol. I’d be more likely to have a poster of a Fig Newton. The first time I ever heard or encountered Wayne Newton was when he appeared on “Bonanza”. I was not kind in my assessment… I was pretty sure Donnie and Marie were the same person until I saw them in person and then Marie started to bud out… I remember Wayne Newton from "Bonanza". I think he was in 2 or 3 episodes. He was actually pretty funny in "National Lampoon Vegas Vacation". |
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 19, 2024 13:52:06 GMT -5
Lol. I’d be more likely to have a poster of a Fig Newton. The first time I ever heard or encountered Wayne Newton was when he appeared on “Bonanza”. I was not kind in my assessment… I was pretty sure Donnie and Marie were the same person until I saw them in person and then Marie started to bud out… I remember Wayne Newton from "Bonanza". I think he was in 2 or 3 episodes. He was actually pretty funny in "National Lampoon Vegas Vacation". Yes, I remember that "Bonanza" episode too. The roughnecks in Virginia City laughed at his high soft voice until the Cartwrights, as they often did, took the law into their own hands and made everybody be respectful while Wayne sang "Scarlet Ribbons." |
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Post by inger on Mar 19, 2024 14:31:04 GMT -5
I remember Wayne Newton from "Bonanza". I think he was in 2 or 3 episodes. He was actually pretty funny in "National Lampoon Vegas Vacation". Yes, I remember that "Bonanza" episode too. The roughnecks in Virginia City laughed at his high soft voice until the Cartwrights, as they often did, took the law into their own hands and made everybody be respectful while Wayne sang "Scarlet Ribbons." I felt gay just watching… |
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Post by bumper on Mar 19, 2024 15:55:10 GMT -5
How do you rate Gene Krupa? And who are your favorite rock drummers? I'm a big Gene Krupa fan! He was flashy, but was a great timekeeper. Sing Sing Sing is a absolute classic tune. Some of my favorite rock drummers have already been mentioned. Jeff Porcaro, Neil Peart, Steve Gadd, Bonham and Dennis Chambers. Some others (in no particular order) are Stewart Copeland, Vinnie Colaiuta, Carmine Appice, Steve Smith, Carl Palmer, Steve Jordan, Phil Collins, Kenny Aronoff, and Omar Hakim. gadd is like the godfather. when you can run the gamut from chick corea to eric clapton to james taylor to paul simon. that's pretty damn good. worked on projects and got to know neil peart & steve smith among others. a rock/prog guy haven't seen mentioned is mike portnoy. didn't work w but appreciate bill bruford. between yes and playing those knotty king crimson tunes, pretty amazing. a guy i always felt flew way under the radar is carter beauford from the dave matthews band. never took flashy solos but his drumming put those songs over the top. amazing deep groove.
consider myself mostly a jazz guy, currently a big fan of brian blade. obviously the list of greats is long. a couple of my other faves include jack dejohnette & elvin jones and absolutely love roy haynes. btw i'm a guitarist. |
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Post by Renfield on Mar 19, 2024 15:55:19 GMT -5
Not to mention more elobrate staging. I am more old school like guitarist Joe Perry of Aerosmith stated in his song "Let The Music Do Talking". I think a lot of it may be due to how artists generate income today. Used to be bands toured to promote their record sales...now they make much of their money playing concerts. I've kinda thought the same thing. |
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 19, 2024 17:51:00 GMT -5
I'm a big Gene Krupa fan! He was flashy, but was a great timekeeper. Sing Sing Sing is a absolute classic tune. Some of my favorite rock drummers have already been mentioned. Jeff Porcaro, Neil Peart, Steve Gadd, Bonham and Dennis Chambers. Some others (in no particular order) are Stewart Copeland, Vinnie Colaiuta, Carmine Appice, Steve Smith, Carl Palmer, Steve Jordan, Phil Collins, Kenny Aronoff, and Omar Hakim. gadd is like the godfather. when you can run the gamut from chick corea to eric clapton to james taylor to paul simon. that's pretty damn good. worked on projects and got to know neil peart & steve smith among others. a rock/prog guy haven't seen mentioned is mike portnoy. didn't work w but appreciate bill bruford. between yes and playing those knotty king crimson tunes, pretty amazing. a guy i always felt flew way under the radar is carter beauford from the dave matthews band. never took flashy solos but his drumming put those songs over the top. amazing deep groove.
consider myself mostly a jazz guy, currently a big fan of brian blade. obviously the list of greats is long. a couple of my other faves include jack dejohnette & elvin jones and absolutely love roy haynes. btw i'm a guitarist. Hey bumper...you got me interested in Zager guitars. Been checking them out, but I don't play enough, or well enough, to justify even their 50 Series guitars. Do you have any experience or input re their 20 Series. Are they any better than my S6 Seagull? |
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 19, 2024 17:54:20 GMT -5
I think a lot of it may be due to how artists generate income today. Used to be bands toured to promote their record sales...now they make much of their money playing concerts. I've kinda thought the same thing. Yeah. And as "jiminy" mentioned, the staging done today is over-the-top. Seems every concert today has to be a spectacular show...the music isn't enough. |
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Post by bomberhojoe on Mar 19, 2024 18:49:07 GMT -5
I'm a big Gene Krupa fan! He was flashy, but was a great timekeeper. Sing Sing Sing is a absolute classic tune. Some of my favorite rock drummers have already been mentioned. Jeff Porcaro, Neil Peart, Steve Gadd, Bonham and Dennis Chambers. Some others (in no particular order) are Stewart Copeland, Vinnie Colaiuta, Carmine Appice, Steve Smith, Carl Palmer, Steve Jordan, Phil Collins, Kenny Aronoff, and Omar Hakim. gadd is like the godfather. when you can run the gamut from chick corea to eric clapton to james taylor to paul simon. that's pretty damn good. worked on projects and got to know neil peart & steve smith among others. a rock/prog guy haven't seen mentioned is mike portnoy. didn't work w but appreciate bill bruford. between yes and playing those knotty king crimson tunes, pretty amazing. a guy i always felt flew way under the radar is carter beauford from the dave matthews band. never took flashy solos but his drumming put those songs over the top. amazing deep groove.
consider myself mostly a jazz guy, currently a big fan of brian blade. obviously the list of greats is long. a couple of my other faves include jack dejohnette & elvin jones and absolutely love roy haynes. btw i'm a guitarist. Bill Bruford is an excellent drummer! As for jazz Jack DeJohnette and Elvin Jones were great. Some of my other favorite jazz drummers are/were Joe Morello, Max Roach, Art Blakey, Peter Erskine, Roy Haynes, Dave Tough, Paul Wertico and Will Kennedy. |
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