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Post by azbob643 on Sept 13, 2024 12:26:23 GMT -5
It's irritating, but understandable, when names of places and cities are anglicized. Many Coloradans pronounce the city of Buena Vista as "Byoona Vista". Again...I can see how someone can arrive at that pronunciation but, as "inger" can vouch, many pronounce the city of Pueblo as "Pee-eb-low". How in the world can anyone get to that?
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Post by inger on Sept 13, 2024 13:26:01 GMT -5
It's irritating, but understandable, when names of places and cities are anglicized. Many Coloradans pronounce the city of Buena Vista as "Byoona Vista". Again...I can see how someone can arrive at that pronunciation but, as "inger" can vouch, many pronounce the city of Pueblo as "Pee-eb-low". How in the world can anyone get to that? The Pee-eb-low sayers (and pew-eb-low) tend to be native Coloradans for the most part and older folks. The Byoona people? Lazy azzes the refuse to learn… We get ‘Mosa instead of Alamosa around here a bit with the younger crowd. Mosca get the unfortunate Moscow… |
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Post by azbob643 on Sept 13, 2024 13:29:13 GMT -5
Funny story (actually cracked me up at the time, still makes me laugh)...
Sitting at my neighborhood watering hole in Colorado enjoying a cold one. A couple with heavy Bronx accents sitting at a table within earshot, munching on chips & salsa.
The guy looks up at the bartender and loudly asks..."hey, can we get more of this salsa"....pronouncing salsa as you would "Sal" Mineo...which made me laugh out loud. The guy looked straight at me and said..."or whadeva da F*** you cawl dis stuff"
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Post by azbob643 on Sept 13, 2024 13:30:20 GMT -5
The Pee-eb-low sayers (and pew-eb-low) tend to be native Coloradans for the most part and older folks. True... |
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 13, 2024 14:07:05 GMT -5
I had heard the Judy Collins version before I heard the Ian and Sylvia original. One thing that struck me was that when Judy sang the line "he comes from down in Southern Colorado" she pronounced it the way those of us from the Eastern Seaboard do, Colo rah do. The I&S version had that Western pronunciation where the "a" is pronounced like the "a" in bat. Even though that's how the natives pronounced it, it just irrationally grates on me. Same with Nevada or Navajo. My wife is from Scranton and she pronounced it the wrong way until I made a big baby deal out of it. Although she still slips up now and then on words like Ah va cah do. I won't even get started on putting the accent on the first syllable for insurance. Hah! Before I moved to California, I had never heard Nah-vah-dah as Nev-AD-ah. Everyone in my immediate family - except me - pronounces insurance with the accent on the first syllable. Every now and then I would intentionally do so to tease Sarah. Such things were like fingers on a chalk board. You could really ruffle her feathers with Illinois by saying Ill-ah-noise instead of ill-ah-noy! There are several words that I pronounce differently from my family and especially the way in which my father pronounced words. Of course, I was born with television and my older siblings and father were not. My father said rum for room, brum for broom, and rough for roof. There was also Cincinnatta for Cincinnati, Missourah for Missouri, and by-yuh for bayou. Regional differences were so much more pronounced - pun intended - prior to television becoming the hearth of the home. I think those pronunciations are somewhat common to rural areas in general. In parts of rural PA you would hear those same words rum for room, rough for roof etc. I don't know if it's peculiar to the nether regions of PA or not, but you could occasionally find someone saying "Warshington." I love that one. Hah, I like the Illinoise gambit. My father mostly scrubbed whatever Philadelphia accent he might have had -- none of this "wooder" for water or "sawit" for salt business -- but he could never get past that giveaway of changing the "air" sound for "uhr." As in "Have a vurray murray Christmas Uhric" that we needled him about to no avail. Philly politicians like Ed Rendell and Arlen Specter talked (tawlked) that way too. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 13, 2024 14:16:36 GMT -5
I had heard the Judy Collins version before I heard the Ian and Sylvia original. One thing that struck me was that when Judy sang the line "he comes from down in Southern Colorado" she pronounced it the way those of us from the Eastern Seaboard do, Colo rah do. The I&S version had that Western pronunciation where the "a" is pronounced like the "a" in bat. Even though that's how the natives pronounced it, it just irrationally grates on me. Same with Nevada or Navajo. My wife is from Scranton and she pronounced it the wrong way until I made a big baby deal out of it. Although she still slips up now and then on words like Ah va cah do. I won't even get started on putting the accent on the first syllable for insurance. You're absolutely right re the pronunciation. The "correct" pronunciation is Colorado, with the a as in "bat"...but I lived there for 30+ years and most people, even the "natives", use the soft "ah" sound, as John Denver did in "Rocky Mountain High". The city of Arvada, a Denver suburb, is pronounced with the "bat" sound, just as most people pronounce Nevada. And don't piss the people of the city of "Louisville, CO" off by pronouncing it the same as the Kentucky city, pronounced Looeyville. It's LOUISville, as in Louis Armstrong. Oh yeah. And in the Kentucky version of Louisville, many of the long-time residents turn the name into two syllables -- something like "Lullville" although that doesn't quite capture it. I don't know if the classic Curly Howard Brooklyn accent still exists -- where you say "soitenly" -- but I've never heard it. There was the old line in baseball of Brooklynites describing an injury to Waite Hoyt as "Hertz Hoyt" for Hoyt's hurt. I like to think that actually happened. |
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Post by rizzuto on Sept 13, 2024 15:14:59 GMT -5
You're absolutely right re the pronunciation. The "correct" pronunciation is Colorado, with the a as in "bat"...but I lived there for 30+ years and most people, even the "natives", use the soft "ah" sound, as John Denver did in "Rocky Mountain High". The city of Arvada, a Denver suburb, is pronounced with the "bat" sound, just as most people pronounce Nevada. And don't piss the people of the city of "Louisville, CO" off by pronouncing it the same as the Kentucky city, pronounced Looeyville. It's LOUISville, as in Louis Armstrong. Oh yeah. And in the Kentucky version of Louisville, many of the long-time residents turn the name into two syllables -- something like "Lullville" although that doesn't quite capture it. I don't know if the classic Curly Howard Brooklyn accent still exists -- where you say "soitenly" -- but I've never heard it. There was the old line in baseball of Brooklynites describing an injury to Waite Hoyt as "Hertz Hoyt" for Hoyt's hurt. I like to think that actually happened. That Brooklyn-type accent was still quite prevalent in parts of New Orleans and nearby Metairie when I was a boy. I recall my Great-Uncle Marion Sacco ask my Aunt Bea, "Beatrice, do you have my pills in your poise (purse)?" Remember the old joke? Do you pronounce the capital of Kentucky "Loueyville or Loullville? |
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Post by Max on Sept 13, 2024 15:28:21 GMT -5
Funny story (actually cracked me up at the time, still makes me laugh)... Sitting at my neighborhood watering hole in Colorado enjoying a cold one. A couple with heavy Bronx accents sitting at a table within earshot, munching on chips & salsa. The guy looks up at the bartender and loudly asks..."hey, can we get more of this salsa"....pronouncing salsa as you would "Sal" Mineo...which made me laugh out loud. LOL! That's the way this Brooklynite pronounces it...Sal-sa. I don't live there anymore, but that's were I was born and raised. Once a Brooklynite always a Brooklynite. I know some people that were born and raised in the Bronx still feel the same way. |
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Post by inger on Sept 13, 2024 16:14:06 GMT -5
Colorado Route 285 runs from Monte Vista to Saguache (sa-WATCH, and has a stretch of 34 miles that is “gun barrel” straight. So it got nicknamed the Saguache Gun Barrel.
Tourists come out and ask where the Sa Goochie Shotgun might be…😂…
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 13, 2024 16:18:33 GMT -5
Oh yeah. And in the Kentucky version of Louisville, many of the long-time residents turn the name into two syllables -- something like "Lullville" although that doesn't quite capture it. I don't know if the classic Curly Howard Brooklyn accent still exists -- where you say "soitenly" -- but I've never heard it. There was the old line in baseball of Brooklynites describing an injury to Waite Hoyt as "Hertz Hoyt" for Hoyt's hurt. I like to think that actually happened. That Brooklyn-type accent was still quite prevalent in parts of New Orleans and nearby Metairie when I was a boy. I recall my Great-Uncle Marion Sacco ask my Aunt Bea, "Beatrice, do you have my pills in your poise (purse)?" Remember the old joke? Do you pronounce the capital of Kentucky "Loueyville or Loullville? Yes, now that you mention it Rizz, I have heard that accent in New Orleans and also Charleston. Maybe just a bit more languid than the Brooklyn version, as befits the respective climates. Or maybe just my imagination. I love regional accents, which were supposed to have disappeared by now. The one that jangles my nerves the most is whatever you call the accent that extends roughly from Albany to Milwaukee, albeit with local peculiarities. I just call it a Rust Belt accent and it is best known in its Chicago version. Sort of like the old SNL skit about the Bears fans. The knife through the heart is the pronunciation of the letter "a" -- a common factor in many regional dialects. Hard to capture in writing, but you would know it. It's almost like putting an "e" or two in front of the "a" -- Saturday becomes Seeaturday. Capture is "keyapture." Very annoying. In Syracuse, even people who had been around a bit would pronounce elementary as "elementerry." Sometimes they even apologized for it! Syracuse is also the only place I've ever been where adults routinely drink chocolate milk. Many restaurants offered it on the beverage menu. I don't mean just fast food joints or kid menus, I mean mid-range everyday restaurants. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 13, 2024 16:20:03 GMT -5
Colorado Route 285 runs from Monte Vista to Saguache (sa-WATCH, and has a stretch of 34 miles that is “gun barrel” straight. So it got nicknamed the Saguache Gun Barrel. Tourists come out and ask where the Sa Goochie Shotgun might be…😂… All this time I thought it was Sawatchay. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 13, 2024 16:24:28 GMT -5
Funny story (actually cracked me up at the time, still makes me laugh)... Sitting at my neighborhood watering hole in Colorado enjoying a cold one. A couple with heavy Bronx accents sitting at a table within earshot, munching on chips & salsa. The guy looks up at the bartender and loudly asks..."hey, can we get more of this salsa"....pronouncing salsa as you would "Sal" Mineo...which made me laugh out loud. LOL! That's the way this Brooklynite pronounces it...Sal-sa. I don't live there anymore, but that's were I was born and raised. Once a Brooklynite always a Brooklynite. I know some people that were born and raised in the Bronx still feel the same way. Which part of Brooklyn, Max? When we lived in NYC we were required to live in Manhattan, but every few weeks at least I had to get my Brooklyn fix. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Sept 24, 2024 10:42:54 GMT -5
Bruce turns 75 today. I saw him in the State Theater in New Brunswick shortly before the Born to Run album came out. Probably the best concert I've ever been to. His performances were legendary in NJ prior to becoming a star.
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Post by azbob643 on Sept 24, 2024 11:19:42 GMT -5
His performances were legendary in NJ prior to becoming a star. "I knew him when his arms were as skinny as his chord changes" - Bette Midler |
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Post by inger on Sept 24, 2024 11:26:34 GMT -5
His performances were legendary in NJ prior to becoming a star. "I knew him when his arms were as skinny as his chord changes" - Bette Midler Ha! That reminded me of an old Todd Rundgren video is watched recently. E-MA-CIATED. Good lord, and he had a Playboy Centerfold chick for a long time. I tried to watch a video of his from 2021, but his voice and even his ability to hit any notes are gone… it was awful. “Hello, it’s Not Me Anymore”. I’m in the minority here, I believe. I like that song… |
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