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Post by noetsi on Jun 22, 2021 21:58:23 GMT -5
How about stressing, in the type of players we go after.
1) Team speed
2) Ability to catch the ball
3) Being able to hit 250
4) Knowing how to play baseball
Instead of hitting home runs and walking, which is the sole basis we recruit by now. We have tons of money. We could go after those type of players. We just never do.
Maybe that explains why we last won a WS in 2009 despite being among the wealthiest teams in baseball?
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Post by noetsi on Jun 22, 2021 22:58:16 GMT -5
I safely predict I am the only one on this board who believe this.  This has been true for decades. But I never give up. I think or philosophy of who we recruit is bad. Too many one dimensional hitters. No speed ever. |
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Post by inger on Jun 22, 2021 23:19:33 GMT -5
I safely predict I am the only one on this board who believe this. This has been true for decades. But I never give up. I think or philosophy of who we recruit is bad. Too many one dimensional hitters. No speed ever. You did again, didn’t you Russ? You’ve had too many Orange Crush soda pops in one night… |
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Post by kaybli on Jun 23, 2021 5:21:25 GMT -5
The thread title feels like an official email from HR.
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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 23, 2021 6:03:14 GMT -5
The thread title feels like an official email from HR. And it's getting about the same kind of reception. |
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Post by kaybli on Jun 23, 2021 6:04:36 GMT -5
The thread title feels like an official email from HR. And it's getting about the same kind of reception.  |
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Post by bearman on Jun 23, 2021 7:04:19 GMT -5
How about stressing, in the type of players we go after. 1) Team speed 2) Ability to catch the ball 3) Being able to hit 250 4) Knowing how to play baseball Instead of hitting home runs and walking, which is the sole basis we recruit by now. We have tons of money. We could go after those type of players. We just never do. Maybe that explains why we last won a WS in 2009 despite being among the wealthiest teams in baseball? I agree with you 100% Noetsi and have felt the same way for some time but just haven’t expressed it for fear of being perceived as too negative. While MLB as a whole has diminished hitting statistics our ability to hit with runners in scoring position is staggeringly bad and I am afraid the shelf life on guys like Frazier, Torres and Sanchez is about to expire. I always have hope but I am afraid this team as it is currently composed is not a threat to win the championship. It is time for Cashman to leave. I sincerely hope that I have the opportunity to eat crow at the end of this season. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Jun 23, 2021 10:32:40 GMT -5
How about stressing, in the type of players we go after. 1) Team speed 2) Ability to catch the ball 3) Being able to hit 250 4) Knowing how to play baseball Instead of hitting home runs and walking, which is the sole basis we recruit by now. We have tons of money. We could go after those type of players. We just never do. Maybe that explains why we last won a WS in 2009 despite being among the wealthiest teams in baseball? I agree with you 100% Noetsi and have felt the same way for some time but just haven’t expressed it for fear of being perceived as too negative. While MLB as a whole has diminished hitting statistics our ability to hit with runners in scoring position is staggeringly bad and I am afraid the shelf life on guys like Frazier, Torres and Sanchez is about to expire. I always have hope but I am afraid this team as it is currently composed is not a threat to win the championship. It is time for Cashman to leave. I sincerely hope that I have the opportunity to eat crow at the end of this season. As long as the team makes it into the playoffs anyone can win. The nats, cardinals, and some other teams have proved that. I do think they need a more consistent CF and 1 more starter though. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 23, 2021 12:21:46 GMT -5
How about stressing, in the type of players we go after. 1) Team speed 2) Ability to catch the ball 3) Being able to hit 250 4) Knowing how to play baseball Instead of hitting home runs and walking, which is the sole basis we recruit by now. We have tons of money. We could go after those type of players. We just never do. Maybe that explains why we last won a WS in 2009 despite being among the wealthiest teams in baseball? I agree with you 100% Noetsi and have felt the same way for some time but just haven’t expressed it for fear of being perceived as too negative. While MLB as a whole has diminished hitting statistics our ability to hit with runners in scoring position is staggeringly bad and I am afraid the shelf life on guys like Frazier, Torres and Sanchez is about to expire. I always have hope but I am afraid this team as it is currently composed is not a threat to win the championship. It is time for Cashman to leave. I sincerely hope that I have the opportunity to eat crow at the end of this season. As long as Noetsi is here, you’ll never be perceived as too negative.  |
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Post by inger on Jun 23, 2021 13:53:24 GMT -5
I especially like #3. The ability to hit .250. Even in a vacuum that idea is vacuous. Scout is watching a 16-year old batting against his high school opponent. He’s supposed to be able to predict if said 16-year old will be able to hit .250 six years later against much better pitchers.
If we looked at say, Clint Frazier, there is little from his past or his recent trends prior to 2021 to suggest he would be able to hit said .250. Yet, he’s here. And he’s not hitting .250.
What of Gleyber? Not only is he back under .250, but he’s devoid of any kind of power. Power which is of course not required by the new acquisition policy.
Mike Ford hit .250 in the MLB in a decent sample in 2019, but somce was unable to sustain that. Gary Sanchez, once a .290 hitter, struggles to hit .220 now.
And of course because they are meaningless in Noetsi-World we have no policy about pitch selectivity, nor power. Just hitting that all-important .250 mark. This is the work of a nine year old fan… or… a sixty year old that has only played Strat-O-Matic and over uses the hit and run option because it computes to a .286 batting average…
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Post by noetsi on Jun 27, 2021 22:09:35 GMT -5
I would take a chance on young guys knowing many won' work out rather than pay 25 million on a stanton or arod.
I think you can tell what type of players can hit for average as compared to just be power hitters, including the ability to hit the ball to different parts of the field not only to one field.
I think you can tell when someone is fast.
How is it that other teams manage this. How does tampa do it with a payroll a quarter of ours
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Post by inger on Jun 27, 2021 22:15:47 GMT -5
I would take a chance on young guys knowing many won' work out rather than pay 25 million on a stanton or arod. I think you can tell what type of players can hit for average as compared to just be power hitters, including the ability to hit the ball to different parts of the field not only to one field. I think you can tell when someone is fast. How is it that other teams manage this. How does tampa do it with a payroll a quarter of ours They sell off their team every 4 or 5 years, that’s how… |
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Post by noetsi on Jun 27, 2021 22:39:55 GMT -5
I would take a chance on young guys knowing many won' work out rather than pay 25 million on a stanton or arod. I think you can tell what type of players can hit for average as compared to just be power hitters, including the ability to hit the ball to different parts of the field not only to one field. I think you can tell when someone is fast. How is it that other teams manage this. How does tampa do it with a payroll a quarter of ours They sell off their team every 4 or 5 years, that’s how… Maybe we should try it. |
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Post by inger on Jun 27, 2021 22:56:43 GMT -5
They sell off their team every 4 or 5 years, that’s how… Maybe we should try it. We’re heading closer to the basement anyway. The problem is that we have little to sell… Mostly damaged or under-performing players… |
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Post by noetsi on Jun 27, 2021 23:01:36 GMT -5
We’re heading closer to the basement anyway. The problem is that we have little to sell… Mostly damaged or under-performing players… I agree. But this is not new. We have not won a WS since 2009, not been in one, which while not a record is pretty awful for a team with this much money. For a lot of that time we were not that good. My point is with this much money we should be better than we are. Teams with a fraction of our resources are better. I think we need a new GM with a new philosophy of getting players which is the point of this thread. No more expensive one dimensional players who cost fortunes. |
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This has been true for decades.
