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Post by BillyBones on Jun 27, 2021 23:11:15 GMT -5
I would take a chance on young guys knowing many won' work out rather than pay 25 million on a stanton or arod. I think you can tell what type of players can hit for average as compared to just be power hitters, including the ability to hit the ball to different parts of the field not only to one field. I think you can tell when someone is fast. How is it that other teams manage this. How does tampa do it with a payroll a quarter of ours They sell off their team every 4 or 5 years, that’s how… I have seen it, but I don't understand how they manage to do it. Are they just that much more brilliant in their player assessments than the Yankees? Can someone articulate what their business plan is, and how they are more successful year in and year out than the Yankees. I am at a loss to understand. |
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Post by noetsi on Jun 27, 2021 23:15:32 GMT -5
I think they get better players because the draft rules favor teams that don't spend a lot. But I would guess they chose different types of players than we do as well.
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Post by inger on Jun 27, 2021 23:22:52 GMT -5
They sell off their team every 4 or 5 years, that’s how… I have seen it, but I don't understand how they manage to do it. Are they just that much more brilliant in their player assessments than the Yankees? Can someone articulate what their business plan is, and how they are more successful year in and year out than the Yankees. I am at a loss to understand. When they sell off their best players, they collect prospects for them. I’m addition to that they tend to settle at the bottom of the standings for a few seasons, which gives them a higher draft priority. Between the two they are able to have an extremely well stocked farm system that supplies the parent team with another 5-6 year run before everyone gets expensive again. The Yankees and their fan base don’t want to endure the losing years, so we tend to be more likely to watch our players age out before dealing them away… and we don’t shy away from long term contracts. That’s why the Rays deal their guys. They let someone else commit to pay them… |
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Post by noetsi on Jun 27, 2021 23:30:50 GMT -5
"The Yankees and their fan base don’t want to endure the losing years, so we tend to be more likely to watch our players age out before dealing them away."
We don't win WS the way we go. Maybe it would be better to change. The difference between us and Tampa is if we got good players we could keep them. So maybe junking the team, building a new one and then hanging on to it would work.
What we are doing is not working and has not in a long time.
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Post by BillyBones on Jun 27, 2021 23:36:14 GMT -5
When they sell off their best players, they collect prospects for them. I’m addition to that they tend to settle at the bottom of the standings for a few seasons, which gives them a higher draft priority. Between the two they are able to have an extremely well stocked farm system that supplies the parent team with another 5-6 year run before everyone gets expensive again. The Yankees and their fan base don’t want to endure the losing years, so we tend to be more likely to watch our players age out before dealing them away… and we don’t shy away from long term contracts. That’s why the Rays deal their guys. They let someone else commit to pay them… Thanks for the response. Hell, the Yankee plan is not working well, unless one thinks that hoping to somehow get a last playoff spot is good. I don't know if the Tampa model is one to copy, but someone needs to do something differently in the front office. I can't even get excited any more about the carrot of "getting hot in the playoffs and winning it all". This is a flawed team. In the corporate world such underachievement would not be tolerated. |
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Post by inger on Jun 27, 2021 23:36:26 GMT -5
"The Yankees and their fan base don’t want to endure the losing years, so we tend to be more likely to watch our players age out before dealing them away." We don't win WS the way we go. Maybe it would be better to change. The difference between us and Tampa is if we got good players we could keep them. So maybe junking the team, building a new one and then hanging on to it would work. What we are doing is not working and has not in a long time. The problem is that we changed what we were doing in recent years. We got away from using all of our resources. We used to build a strong farm, make trades, AND utilize the free agent market extensively to cover up any failures of the other portions of the system. Now, we are very slow and selective about moving toward free agents and are no longer utilizing our monetary advantage to it’s maximum. We got tight-fisted. Yes, we still spend a bunch, but the cost of goods has become the major issue… Compare our spending to the Dodgers. The Dodgers have become what we used to be… |
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Post by BillyBones on Jun 27, 2021 23:39:28 GMT -5
"The Yankees and their fan base don’t want to endure the losing years, so we tend to be more likely to watch our players age out before dealing them away." We don't win WS the way we go. Maybe it would be better to change. The difference between us and Tampa is if we got good players we could keep them. So maybe junking the team, building a new one and then hanging on to it would work. What we are doing is not working and has not in a long time. Noetsi, I have lurked for a long time, and this is the first of your posts that I agree with in total. I hate that it is so for this beloved franchise, but well said. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 27, 2021 23:44:50 GMT -5
They sell off their team every 4 or 5 years, that’s how… Maybe we should try it. By going to the playoffs twice the last seven years? |
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 28, 2021 0:05:00 GMT -5
The Yankees have gone to the playoffs the last four years in a row and to the AL Championship Series in two of the four, losing both times to the Houston Astros, who we now know were cheating using illegal electronic signaling. I am not opposed to a new manager or a new general manager, but I would not want to mimic the Tampa Bay Rays’ organizational practices.
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Post by inger on Jun 28, 2021 0:16:17 GMT -5
The Yankees have gone to the playoffs the last four years in a row and to the AL Championship Series in two of the four, losing both times to the Houston Astros, who we now know were cheating using illegal electronic signaling. I am not opposed to a new manager or a new general manager, but I would not want to mimic the Tampa Bay Rays’ organizational practices. Agreed. The Yankees have a tradition of keeping a winning team on the field. We’re so greedy that we expect a World Series year after year. We judge our current success vs our past successes where the odds were incredibly more in our favor. In the past, just eight other teams in the league, then ten. Finish on top and you were in the World Series with a 50/ 50 chance of winning. Maybe better. Then the née divisions, new layers up on layers of play ups to have to win before reached the World Series. All told we nor have 30 teams, lowering the odds to a mere i team in 15 to be on the playoffs. The playoff s have become a gauntlet of other playoff teams… |
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Post by noetsi on Jun 28, 2021 9:54:05 GMT -5
By going to the playoffs twice the last seven years? Who cares about making the play offs if you never win. We have not won a WS in more than a decade. Tampa would have won several with our resources. We get poor return for the spending |
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Post by noetsi on Jun 28, 2021 9:55:20 GMT -5
The Yankees have gone to the playoffs the last four years in a row and to the AL Championship Series in two of the four, losing both times to the Houston Astros, who we now know were cheating using illegal electronic signaling. I am not opposed to a new manager or a new general manager, but I would not want to mimic the Tampa Bay Rays’ organizational practices. Agreed. The Yankees have a tradition of keeping a winning team on the field. We’re so greedy that we expect a World Series year after year. We judge our current success vs our past successes where the odds were incredibly more in our favor. In the past, just eight other teams in the league, then ten. Finish on top and you were in the World Series with a 50/ 50 chance of winning. Maybe better. Then the née divisions, new layers up on layers of play ups to have to win before reached the World Series. All told we nor have 30 teams, lowering the odds to a mere i team in 15 to be on the playoffs. The playoff s have become a gauntlet of other playoff teams… How about once a decade |
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Post by BillyBones on Jun 28, 2021 10:34:32 GMT -5
I can take losing if the team plays good baseball, and all of you know what good baseball looks like. This team plays ugly baseball. The manager makes ugly baseball decisions. Do the Yankees continue down this same business path or will they change to another strategy? No offense to anyone else who feels differently, but to me simply saying the Yankees have made the playoffs X times is very much like putting lipstick on the sow so she'll look better. But she is still a sow. I just can't get excited about a team like this. Maybe check back again later in the season. Cheers to all.
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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 28, 2021 11:40:47 GMT -5
Agreed. The Yankees have a tradition of keeping a winning team on the field. We’re so greedy that we expect a World Series year after year. We judge our current success vs our past successes where the odds were incredibly more in our favor. In the past, just eight other teams in the league, then ten. Finish on top and you were in the World Series with a 50/ 50 chance of winning. Maybe better. Then the née divisions, new layers up on layers of play ups to have to win before reached the World Series. All told we nor have 30 teams, lowering the odds to a mere i team in 15 to be on the playoffs. The playoff s have become a gauntlet of other playoff teams… How about once a decade I actually find myself attitudinally aligned with Noetsi and Mr. Bones on this one. Twelve different teams have been in the World Series since the Yankees last made it there. Seven different teams have been in multiple times, including such ragamuffin franchises as the Texas Rangers and Kansas City Royals. The Phillies were last in the same year as the Yankees, meaning just 16 teams have a longer World Series drought than the Yankees. So middle of the pack when it comes to the main reason any team competes, which is winning a pennant at minimum and a championship ultimately. Obviously we all prefer a winning record to a losing record, so yeah it's nice that the Yankees have 28 consecutive winning seasons. But who wouldn't gladly trade a few losing seasons in the mix if it meant a few extra rings in the process? I realize that can't be done, but I'm saying that getting to the World Series by far outweighs any other accomplishments a team achieves. I subscribe to the team's own stated objective that the goal every year is to be world champion. And I also subscribe to The Boss's statement when he bought the team that owning the Yankees brings with it a different set of expectations than owning any other team, that we aren't comparing ourselves to the San Diego Padres or Pittsburgh Pirates or even the Boston Red Sox or Los Angeles Dodgers. These are the New York Effing Yankees and they are supposed to win it every year, and when they don't they have fallen short of their own standard and need to remedy the failure toute de suite. Other than that, things are just ducky in Yankeeland. |
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Post by inger on Jun 28, 2021 11:46:59 GMT -5
I actually find myself attitudinally aligned with Noetsi and Mr. Bones on this one. Twelve different teams have been in the World Series since the Yankees last made it there. Seven different teams have been in multiple times, including such ragamuffin franchises as the Texas Rangers and Kansas City Royals. The Phillies were last in the same year as the Yankees, meaning just 16 teams have a longer World Series drought than the Yankees. So middle of the pack when it comes to the main reason any team competes, which is winning a pennant at minimum and a championship ultimately. Obviously we all prefer a winning record to a losing record, so yeah it's nice that the Yankees have 28 consecutive winning seasons. But who wouldn't gladly trade a few losing seasons in the mix if it meant a few extra rings in the process? I realize that can't be done, but I'm saying that getting to the World Series by far outweighs any other accomplishments a team achieves. I subscribe to the team's own stated objective that the goal every year is to be world champion. And I also subscribe to The Boss's statement when he bought the team that owning the Yankees brings with it a different set of expectations than owning any other team, that we aren't comparing ourselves to the San Diego Padres or Pittsburgh Pirates or even the Boston Red Sox or Los Angeles Dodgers. These are the New York Effing Yankees and they are supposed to win it every year, and when they don't they have fallen short of their own standard and need to remedy the failure toute de suite. Other than that, things are just ducky in Yankeeland. I think we all align in spirit and realize that the Yankees product is not what it used to be. Expanded playoffs have made it to easy to get in the playoffs, which now seems to be the goal. Get in the mix and see where we go from there. We’re no longer reaching to dominate at any expense. There have been enjoyable aspects to that, like successful dumpster diving getting us Voit and Urshela. Overall, it’s lacking something. We settling for good instead of great… |
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