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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 28, 2021 12:20:11 GMT -5
I agree Inger, we're going for the puncher's chance rather than Cashman's supposed "fully operational death star." I don't sense the George Steinbrenner fanatical commitment to winning, leaving aside that his methods didn't always work.
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Post by inger on Jun 28, 2021 13:27:24 GMT -5
I agree Inger, we're going for the puncher's chance rather than Cashman's supposed "fully operational death star." I don't sense the George Steinbrenner fanatical commitment to winning, leaving aside that his methods didn't always work. One thing G. did very well was to make us the villain that other teams felt the need to vanquish. It brought out the opposing fans, and turned Yankee fans into a slobbering, rabid mob that wanted to beat our opponents to a bloody pulp… I miss that. I wear my Yankees cap now, and it draws comments but they tend to be from pink hat fans that couldn’t name three players from their team or yours…They think Jeter is still playing… |
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Post by inger on Jun 28, 2021 13:29:18 GMT -5
Go get me Jim Spencer! We must have Tony Solaita! Mattingly, Mattingly, Mattingly… It’s got to be Mattingly…
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 28, 2021 14:10:00 GMT -5
By going to the playoffs twice the last seven years? Who cares about making the play offs if you never win. We have not won a WS in more than a decade. Tampa would have won several with our resources. We get poor return for the spending Everyone cares about making the playoffs (you being the one exception), because it is a virtual certainty that a team will not win if is does not make the playoffs. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 28, 2021 14:19:22 GMT -5
I can take losing if the team plays good baseball, and all of you know what good baseball looks like. This team plays ugly baseball. The manager makes ugly baseball decisions. Do the Yankees continue down this same business path or will they change to another strategy? No offense to anyone else who feels differently, but to me simply saying the Yankees have made the playoffs X times is very much like putting lipstick on the sow so she'll look better. But she is still a sow. I just can't get excited about a team like this. Maybe check back again later in the season. Cheers to all. Making the playoffs is an achievement, not cosmetics. We are all disappointed in the results and the manner in which this team has played, but be careful in dismissing that this team would have been in two World Series in the last four seasons, if not for systematically being cheated by the Astros. I doubt anyone has been more critical than me of the way this team is managed and plays the game, but let’s be more precise and realistic about the importance of making the playoffs, which we may not achieve this season. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 28, 2021 15:14:29 GMT -5
I agree Inger, we're going for the puncher's chance rather than Cashman's supposed "fully operational death star." I don't sense the George Steinbrenner fanatical commitment to winning, leaving aside that his methods didn't always work. I stopped buying into Cashman’s Death Star remark, when the Yankees refused to sign Dallas Keuchel for an additional $700,000. Instead, Keuchel went to the Braves in the second half of 2019, pitched 112+ innings with a 3.75 ERA. Meanwhile, the Yankees fully embraced the cash-strapped Rays’ opener approach, and wore out the bullpen by playoff time. |
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Post by kaybli on Jun 28, 2021 15:43:57 GMT -5
You know who really needs to go? Randy Levine. I can't stand that weasel.
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 28, 2021 16:42:29 GMT -5
You know who really needs to go? Randy Levine. I can't stand that weasel. You have to admit, he’s got that bitchin’ made for success hairdo.  |
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Post by kaybli on Jun 28, 2021 16:49:38 GMT -5
You know who really needs to go? Randy Levine. I can't stand that weasel. You have to admit, he’s got that bitchin’ made for success hairdo.  |
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 28, 2021 17:06:47 GMT -5
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Post by kaybli on Jun 28, 2021 17:09:03 GMT -5
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Post by noetsi on Jun 28, 2021 17:31:37 GMT -5
My point is, and of course it is not new and not held in high regard here, is we won't win WS with players who can hit home runs and walk, but do nothing else offensively. Not steal bases not get extra bases, not bunt, hot hit for average, not hit to move runners over. Nothing except hit home runs and walk.
I don't think we will ever win a WS with that philosophy. And I think it is our philosophy. No more Stanton's would be mine.
It would be nice to have a player bat over .300 and have someone who could steal bases (just one it will never be more than that).
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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 28, 2021 18:06:20 GMT -5
My point is, and of course it is not new and not held in high regard here, is we won't win WS with players who can hit home runs and walk, but do nothing else offensively. Not steal bases not get extra bases, not bunt, hot hit for average, not hit to move runners over. Nothing except hit home runs and walk. I don't think we will ever win a WS with that philosophy. And I think it is our philosophy. No more Stanton's would be mine. It would be nice to have a player bat over .300 and have someone who could steal bases (just one it will never be more than that). You don't have to go back very far to find a team that won a ring with nobody hitting. 300, no real stolen base threat and relying heavily on home runs and walks for their offense. The 2016 Cubs had no eligible .300 hitter, their leading base stealer had 13 steals, they led the league in walks and were fifth in home runs. Now I don't at all disagree with your premise that it's better to mix in some .300 hitters and players who are a threat to steal. I want that too. But it has been done to win a ring without them. |
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Post by noetsi on Jun 28, 2021 20:00:09 GMT -5
I am sure there are such teams. That is what outliers are. My point is simply that I think we have the wrong acquisition philosophy. The battle may not go to the brave nor the race to the fleet of foot - but that is the way to bet.  To sort of quote Thurber |
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Post by inger on Jun 28, 2021 20:08:02 GMT -5
I am sure there are such teams. That is what outliers are. My point is simply that I think we have the wrong acquisition philosophy. The battle may not go to the brave nor the race to the fleet of foot - but that is the way to bet. To sort of quote Thurber I agree with almost everything you want the team to become, Russ. I just don’t think we have a stated “policy” that has caused the circumstances, other than a policy to reduce spending. I think opportunity presented itself in creating this team. No one expected Stanton to become available, but when he was, Cashman jumped. No expected to find the talents of Luke Voit in the dumpster, but we did. Didn’t expect Frazier to regress, but regress he did. Didn’t expect to find Odor as a solution for Voit’s injury… nor did we expect to have to overuse Brett Gardner… |
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