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Post by rizzuto on Aug 4, 2021 22:13:30 GMT -5
I wonder how many teams have ever lost 3 starting pitchers to the DL in a week... At least we saw the electric debut of Gill and Taillon is pitching like an ACE. Cole and Montgomery will back soon. And, Stephen Ridings’ 100+ mph fastball and disappearing slider. |
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Post by noetsi on Aug 4, 2021 22:27:28 GMT -5
As someone who does that for a living I would wonder how an outcome was defined  What about the two plate appearances when there was no outcome? Missing data... The reference is to the theory/position that a batter has only three outcomes that are truly independent and within the offensive player’s control (i.e., independent of fielding): home run, walk, strikeout. They won't be independent of pitching nor weather and ball park effects. And I would think these are more important than fielding in determining results. |
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Post by inger on Aug 4, 2021 22:32:17 GMT -5
Called it!  Damned if you didn’t! … |
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Post by inger on Aug 4, 2021 22:35:02 GMT -5
The reference is to the theory/position that a batter has only three outcomes that are truly independent and within the offensive player’s control (i.e., independent of fielding): home run, walk, strikeout. They won't be independent of pitching nor weather and ball park effects. And I would think these are more important than fielding in determining results. Irrelevant. There is always an outcome. Even Ray Chapman’s final at bat offered a baseball outcome. He was struck by a pitch. It’s in his permanent baseball record and added to his OBP. And the fact that he died the next day means it was also a very true outcome for him… |
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Post by inger on Aug 4, 2021 22:41:00 GMT -5
I wonder how many teams have ever lost 3 starting pitchers to the DL in a week... 1. Cole 2. Montgomery 3. German? We’ve perhaps gained 3 in the past couple weeks though, as we promote Cortes and Gil, and acquired Heaney. I think Cortes and Gil have earned the opportunities, so that feels right. In the end, this may add up to only one or two missed starts for Cole and Montgomery, which might serve to keep them fresh down the stretch… Since 2/3 of these losses are very short lived and for non-injury purposes, it’s quite an outlier and of little concern… |
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Post by chiyankee on Aug 4, 2021 22:44:44 GMT -5
At least we saw the electric debut of Gill and Taillon is pitching like an ACE. Cole and Montgomery will back soon. And, Stephen Ridings’ 100+ mph fastball and disappearing slider. COVID and injuries are disappointing but it's also an opportunity for someone else. |
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Post by inger on Aug 4, 2021 22:51:18 GMT -5
And, Stephen Ridings’ 100+ mph fastball and disappearing slider. COVID and injuries are disappointing but it's also an opportunity for someone else. The key is having a “someone else” to step into a slot. Not just for injuries or illness either. Losing Cessa may have appeared painful, but if he was still here, would we have had the room to promote Ridings? Perhaps that was what the Yankee thinking was, we need room for Ridings. Love ya, Cess, but bye-bye… We’re finally reaching the point where a still rather young farm is starting to bear some fruit. If that gamble pays off, we may better understand some of the restraint the Yankees have shown the past couple years. Stay tuned. We may have judged Cashman just a bit too soon… |
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Post by rizzuto on Aug 4, 2021 23:31:21 GMT -5
The reference is to the theory/position that a batter has only three outcomes that are truly independent and within the offensive player’s control (i.e., independent of fielding): home run, walk, strikeout. They won't be independent of pitching nor weather and ball park effects. And I would think these are more important than fielding in determining results. Weather, ball park effects, and pitching are not offensive outcomes, nor are they under the offensive player’s control. Home runs, walks, and strikeouts are offensive outcomes unaffected by fielding. The importance of fielding in determining results is not at issue by definition in home runs, walks, or strikeouts. One of us has misunderstood because I have no idea what you’re saying. |
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Post by rizzuto on Aug 4, 2021 23:35:46 GMT -5
Called it! Damned if you didn’t! … In just 15 games, Greg Allen has accrued 0.5 WAR. In 8 games, Estevan Florial has accrued 0.3 WAR. In 90 games, Gardner has 0.3 WAR. Allen has 5 stolen bases. Florial has 1. Gardner has 1. |
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Post by inger on Aug 4, 2021 23:43:17 GMT -5
They won't be independent of pitching nor weather and ball park effects. And I would think these are more important than fielding in determining results. Weather, ball park effects, and pitching are not offensive outcomes, nor are they under the offensive player’s control. Home runs, walks, and strikeouts are offensive outcomes unaffected by fielding. The importance of fielding in determining results is not at issue by definition in home runs, walks, or strikeouts. One of us has misunderstood because I have no idea what you’re saying. He’s thinking about all of the options available in Strat-O-Matic that affect outcomes. He’s not getting the “true” part of the equation. To him what is not “true” is missing data, which is most certainly incorrect. He’s a very fortunate man to be educated in a niche field where even his bosses have no clue what he does and if they question him, he blows bs at them like this and they have to pretend to understand his answers or risk being the only one that can’t see that the emperor’s clothes are non-existent. I congratulate him for being in that position, and dominating the mental midgets he works for. Unfortunately, the level of genius in this forum is much higher than that of the general populace. That may be a compliment to our group. More likely it’s a slur at America… |
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Post by inger on Aug 4, 2021 23:47:18 GMT -5
In just 15 games, Greg Allen has accrued 0.5 WAR. In 8 games, Estevan Florial has accrued 0.3 WAR. In 90 games, Gardner has 0.3 WAR. Allen has 5 stolen bases. Florial has 1. Gardner has 1. I love what Allen has done. I also would be stunned if he produced anywhere near that level for an extended time. I’d have to view his B-R page, but I think he had one season where he produced close to this level in a medium sample (2016, 2017?). Once the pitchers caught on his numbers declined. It’s the old adjustment game. Nothing says Allen can’t grow, of course.. |
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Post by rizzuto on Aug 5, 2021 0:14:49 GMT -5
In just 15 games, Greg Allen has accrued 0.5 WAR. In 8 games, Estevan Florial has accrued 0.3 WAR. In 90 games, Gardner has 0.3 WAR. Allen has 5 stolen bases. Florial has 1. Gardner has 1. I love what Allen has done. I also would be stunned if he produced anywhere near that level for an extended time. I’d have to view his B-R page, but I think he had one season where he produced close to this level in a medium sample (2016, 2017?). Once the pitchers caught on his numbers declined. It’s the old adjustment game. Nothing says Allen can’t grow, of course.. In 52 games played with Toronto this season, Jonathan Davis has a -0.3 WAR. That’s a negative WAR. Why is he now on the roster over Allen and Florial? |
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Post by inger on Aug 5, 2021 0:31:56 GMT -5
I love what Allen has done. I also would be stunned if he produced anywhere near that level for an extended time. I’d have to view his B-R page, but I think he had one season where he produced close to this level in a medium sample (2016, 2017?). Once the pitchers caught on his numbers declined. It’s the old adjustment game. Nothing says Allen can’t grow, of course.. In 52 games played with Toronto this season, Jonathan Davis has a -0.3 WAR. That’s a negative WAR. Why is he now on the roster over Allen and Florial? If I’m not mistaken he was DFA by the Jays. The Yankees must keep him or offer him back for half of what the paid the Jays ($50k, I think). Ambien has me at this point, so heading to bed…in a minute… |
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Post by pippsheadache on Aug 5, 2021 5:11:32 GMT -5
In just 15 games, Greg Allen has accrued 0.5 WAR. In 8 games, Estevan Florial has accrued 0.3 WAR. In 90 games, Gardner has 0.3 WAR. Allen has 5 stolen bases. Florial has 1. Gardner has 1. It seems that the Yankees are hoping that Davis will give them what Allen and Florial were already giving them. Sure, we all want Davis to perform well, but Allen especially was already performing well. It has to be so discouraging for a guy who brought so much in such a short span to be sent back to Scranton for no compelling reason. |
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Post by rizzuto on Aug 5, 2021 5:45:47 GMT -5
In just 15 games, Greg Allen has accrued 0.5 WAR. In 8 games, Estevan Florial has accrued 0.3 WAR. In 90 games, Gardner has 0.3 WAR. Allen has 5 stolen bases. Florial has 1. Gardner has 1. . Sure, we all want Davis to perform well, but Allen especially was already performing well. It has to be so discouraging for a guy who brought so much in such a short span to be sent back to Scranton for no compelling reason. This may be the truest sentence written since Ernest Hemingway.  |
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What about the two plate appearances when there was no outcome? Missing data...
