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Post by kaybli on Sept 8, 2021 6:46:17 GMT -5
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Post by kaybli on Sept 8, 2021 6:53:56 GMT -5
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Post by kaybli on Sept 8, 2021 6:55:59 GMT -5
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Post by desousa on Sept 8, 2021 9:30:58 GMT -5
We sure could use him this season. Special player.
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Post by desousa on Sept 8, 2021 9:34:00 GMT -5
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Post by noetsi on Sept 8, 2021 10:26:11 GMT -5
He was a great hitter and an ok shortstop.
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Post by inger on Sept 8, 2021 11:15:01 GMT -5
He was a great hitter and an ok shortstop. Da*n the statistics. He was a good shortstop… There has to be a big flaw in any rating system that makes him out to be otherwise. He was no Ozzie, but he certainly wasn’t Harriet, either… |
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Post by kaybli on Sept 8, 2021 12:20:46 GMT -5
The moments that define Derek Jeter
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Post by maizeyanks on Sept 8, 2021 16:00:18 GMT -5
I mean the resume speaks for itself folks.
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Post by noetsi on Sept 8, 2021 16:10:13 GMT -5
He was a great hitter and an ok shortstop. Da*n the statistics. He was a good shortstop… There has to be a big flaw in any rating system that makes him out to be otherwise. He was no Ozzie, but he certainly wasn’t Harriet, either… His range was very limited for an elite shortstop. I don't know how one defines a "good" shortstop, but he was not an elite one. |
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Post by kaybli on Sept 8, 2021 16:12:32 GMT -5
I mean the resume speaks for itself folks.  |
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Post by inger on Sept 8, 2021 16:54:55 GMT -5
I mean the resume speaks for itself folks. I wonder if any of them went all the way? Well, I wonder more if he did… 🤓 |
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 8, 2021 17:44:49 GMT -5
I was able to watch the speeches. They were all in character. Simmons was very literate and forceful. Fehr was long-winded and humorless. Walker was funny and a bit sentimental.
Jeter hit all the right notes as usual. He was born for this kind of thing. I never saw a player, or at least a Yankee player, who just always seemed to flawlessly do what needed to be done the way Derek Jeter did. The baseball gods have always smiled on him.
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Post by kaybli on Sept 8, 2021 17:48:45 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Sept 8, 2021 18:01:24 GMT -5
Here’s the way I see Jeter. As usual, my focus is on the entire player rather than only his offense or his defense. Speaking to his offense I’ll say that it needs little embellishment. He was a short stop that hit more like a left fielder in his era. He probably was worth about 1,000 runs more than most shortstops from his era over the course of his career. He featured good power early on. The same with speed. He started out as a fast player. As he slowed down, he still ran the bases smartly.
Defensively, he went to his right very well, and when doing so featured a strong and accurate arm. He was no as good going up the middle, which is why his rTOT suffers on defense with his career -186 getting a lot of attention. I’ve read some analysis that says the rTOT differential means he likely allowed 300 extra runs to score. Hmmm, 1,000 extra as a hitter minus 300 as a fielder = + 700. I’m pretty pleased with that.
Then. His fielding percentage of .976 is .004 ahead of the average shortstop in his era. So what he touched, he made the play on. Add I. His knack for taking and completing relays, for being in the correct place at the correct time. He went back in pop ups amazingly well. He had several seasons where he was among the leaders in DP’s turned, and there can be no complaints about his warrior attitude standing in at 2B with charging runners during an era when that was allowed.
One obvious fault. Many obvious plus skills. 100% effort, every day. Hall of Famer. Better by far as an over all short stop…
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