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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 9, 2021 13:32:49 GMT -5
You wonder how good a shortstop Arod would have been had he stayed there. A-Rod was already a historically elite SS well before he came to the Yankees. But as we know he used a bit of pharmaceutical assistance to get that way. He probably was great anyway, but we'll never know how much was real. |
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Post by noetsi on Sept 9, 2021 13:58:10 GMT -5
I doubt he was along in using medicine  I agree he was an elite shortstop before coming here. I wonder how he would have been rated at that position among the greats if he had played SS all his career. |
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Post by inger on Sept 9, 2021 15:49:32 GMT -5
We saw him break down rather quickly as a 3B. Yet, another 4-5 years is shortstopping would have still left him with a cheater’s legacy. That would likely have taken him out of the conversation… His fault, not mine…
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Post by rizzuto on Sept 9, 2021 16:27:50 GMT -5
You wonder how good a shortstop Arod would have been had he stayed there. A better question is how good he could have been had he not used performance enhancing drugs. He’d probably have been inducted into the Hall of Fame with Derek Jeter this week. |
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Post by noetsi on Sept 9, 2021 16:45:08 GMT -5
I think the question should be, and I was never sympathetic to arod from the first day he came here, how many in the HOF used substances and did not get caught.
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 9, 2021 18:10:06 GMT -5
I doubt he was along in using medicine I agree he was an elite shortstop before coming here. I wonder how he would have been rated at that position among the greats if he had played SS all his career. Probably #2, behind Wagner, but Arod's greed and ego got in the way. I'd still out him in the HOF because he was that great before he started juicing but I hardly feel sorry for him if he never gets in. |
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Post by rizzuto on Sept 9, 2021 18:12:55 GMT -5
I think the question should be, and I was never sympathetic to arod from the first day he came here, how many in the HOF used substances and did not get caught. I would say not many at all. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Sept 11, 2021 1:00:54 GMT -5
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Post by rizzuto on Sept 11, 2021 9:02:12 GMT -5
“It is the most iconic, most brilliant play in the career of New York Yankees Hall of Fame shortstop Derek Jeter, the play that personifies his remarkable combination of athleticism, agility and, most important, awareness. It is one of the most famous plays in the history of postseason baseball, one that has been replayed hundreds of times every October for 20 years. Like many unforgettable plays, it has a nickname. It will always be known as The Flip.” I so enjoy Tim Kurkjian. He is such a great baseball fan, and a delightful one. |
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Post by rizzuto on Sept 11, 2021 9:25:06 GMT -5
Tino on Jeter:
“I've seen him make so many backhand plays, diving plays, jump throws, over-the-shoulder catches, but they go unnoticed.”
Indeed. And, those defensive plays went unnoticed by some specifically because Jeter was a Yankee. The whole “like rooting for U.S. Steel” mindset still pervades other fans across baseball, whether or not they know or understand the reference.
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Post by rizzuto on Sept 11, 2021 9:42:25 GMT -5
Mussina on Jeter:
“I saw him dive into the stands and break his face. I've seen him get so many big hits. But that was his defining moment. It just defined the way that a professional baseball player is supposed to play. His whole career, he was in the right place at the right time; he ran out every ground ball; he battled every at-bat; and he did all of that as the shortstop of the Yankees. He got 3,000 hits, but that play is why he's in the Hall of Fame."
Jeter in many ways was that era’s Joe DiMaggio, who was once asked why he played the game in such an all-out manner: “Because there might be a kid in the stands who has never seen me play before.”
Mariano was right when he said about Robinson Cano, “He doesn’t burn to win championships.” Mariano took flak for his honest assessment, and there was no shortage of Cano apologists among Yankee fans and on the Pinstripe Plus Forum at that time, the same persons who defended Cano for not playing hard and running out ground balls and turning doubles into singles.
One poster who shall go nameless even coined Jeter’s manner of play “false hustle”! To which I was agog, what the hell is false hustle? Either you do or you don’t? Of course, once Cano was first caught using
performance enhancing drugs, the defenders grew silent, or maybe “false loud.”
If Robby had played like Derek Jeter from dusk to dawn and back again, Cano would have owned New York. Had Barry Bonds hustled - falsely or not - and carried himself like Jeter, he not only would be in the Hall of Fame, Bonds would have become the equivalent of Babe Ruth, one of the Titans of the game.
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