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Post by inger on Oct 30, 2021 10:37:30 GMT -5
The game I loved has changed so much, I hardly recognize it. We'll probably never see another Jack Morris throw a 10 inning shutout game 7. Analytics is slowly suffocating the life out of baseball. It is. You know in that classic game, Morris got into a bases loaded, one out jam in the eighth inning. Can you imagine any manager, let alone Boone, allowing a pitcher to work out of that? Yet Morris got a DP, and went on to win 1-0 in ten innings. In Game Seven!! The analytics department would have a collective stroke. How about Ralph Terry, Game Seven 1962 against a great hitting Giants team? Up by one in the ninth, runners on second and third, two out, left-handed slugger Willie McCovey against right-handed Terry. Houk lets him pitch, McCovey lines out to Bobby Richardson, the Yankees are champions. And just two years earlier, Terry in relief had given up Bill Mazeroski's Series-winning home run. We'll never see that kind of pitching drama again. No Koufax-Marichal death matches, no Seaver-Carlton duels, no Morris-Smoltz Game Sevens. Is that really a better game? Of course I still don't know why Houk didn't walk McCovey.😮 Houk pitched to McCovey because he knew he had Richardson perfectly positioned. He didn’t even need analytics to know… He was a baseball man… 🐈⬛ |
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Post by desousa on Oct 30, 2021 10:51:32 GMT -5
It is. You know in that classic game, Morris got into a bases loaded, one out jam in the eighth inning. Can you imagine any manager, let alone Boone, allowing a pitcher to work out of that? Yet Morris got a DP, and went on to win 1-0 in ten innings. In Game Seven!! The analytics department would have a collective stroke. How about Ralph Terry, Game Seven 1962 against a great hitting Giants team? Up by one in the ninth, runners on second and third, two out, left-handed slugger Willie McCovey against right-handed Terry. Houk lets him pitch, McCovey lines out to Bobby Richardson, the Yankees are champions. And just two years earlier, Terry in relief had given up Bill Mazeroski's Series-winning home run. We'll never see that kind of pitching drama again. No Koufax-Marichal death matches, no Seaver-Carlton duels, no Morris-Smoltz Game Sevens. Is that really a better game? Of course I still don't know why Houk didn't walk McCovey.😮 Houk pitched to McCovey because he knew he had Richardson perfectly positioned. He didn’t even need analytics to know… He was a baseball man… 🐈⬛ Right handed hitter Orlando Cepeda was on deck. Terry had already struck him out twice. McCovey had hit a triple in the 7th. Terry threw a complete game 4 hitter, but today would have exited after 5. |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 30, 2021 10:57:09 GMT -5
It's a bullpen game for the Braves for the next two games! They only have two starting pitchers left. Yes. And still Snitker removed Aqualung Anderson after five no-hit innings and 76 pitches. There's no hope for this game, is there? Nope. The move was probably predetermined before the game even started. The Braves have two straight bullpen games coming up and they still won't let a 23 year old pitcher throw more than 80 pitches. |
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Post by desousa on Oct 30, 2021 11:06:15 GMT -5
Yes. And still Snitker removed Aqualung Anderson after five no-hit innings and 76 pitches. There's no hope for this game, is there? Nope. The move was probably predetermined before the game even started. The Braves have two straight bullpen games coming up and they still won't let a 23 year old pitcher throw more than 80 pitches. I would have liked to see him go longer, but it was the right move. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 30, 2021 11:13:30 GMT -5
Houk pitched to McCovey because he knew he had Richardson perfectly positioned. He didn’t even need analytics to know… He was a baseball man… 🐈⬛ Right handed hitter Orlando Cepeda was on deck. Terry had already struck him out twice. McCovey had hit a triple in the 7th. Terry threw a complete game 4 hitter, but today would have exited after 5. The Yankees only run in that game came in the top of the fifth when Tony Kubek grounded into a bases loaded nobody out DP against Jack Sanford. At least that part sounds familiar! That play was set up when Terry walked to load them. Houk also let Terry bat in the top of the ninth with two out and nobody on. There were a combined eight strikeouts in that game. Four walks, all by the Giants. That Giants lineup had three in-their-prime HOFers -- Mays, McCovey, and Cepeda. They had a very strong supporting cast including Felipe Alou, Matty Alou, Jim Davenport, Harvey Kuenn, Manny Mota, Ed Bailey. They also had an outstanding pitching staff -- two HOFers in Juan Marichal and Gaylord Perry (he was only a spot starter at that point.) Jack Sanford led the team with 24 wins, followed by Billy O'Dell with 19, Marichal with 18, and Billy Pierce with 16. It was a heckuva team. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 30, 2021 11:17:13 GMT -5
Nope. The move was probably predetermined before the game even started. The Braves have two straight bullpen games coming up and they still won't let a 23 year old pitcher throw more than 80 pitches. I would have liked to see him go longer, but it was the right move. It was right in the sense that the Braves won. But those extra innings forced on the pen could come back to bite the Braves. Weren't we just yearning for starters to go longer?🤩 Ralph Terry Lives!! |
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 30, 2021 11:23:46 GMT -5
Nope. The move was probably predetermined before the game even started. The Braves have two straight bullpen games coming up and they still won't let a 23 year old pitcher throw more than 80 pitches. I would have liked to see him go longer, but it was the right move. Yes, and that is scary, if what is correct (in strategy) is hurting the game (in aggregate). I keep waiting for hitting adjustments to take advantage of the opportunities that present themselves, expecting shift-busting to have proliferated around MLB. Alas, no end in sight. Just read about Lolich pitching three shutouts in the 1968 World Series over an eight-day span. There are probably three pitchers in the entire big leagues who might be allowed to attempt that feat today just in terms of starts, much less complete games. |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 30, 2021 11:24:06 GMT -5
The Braves and Astros combined to use 11 pitchers in a game that ended up with a 2-0 final score. I don't see how that's good for the game.
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Post by Renfield on Oct 30, 2021 12:00:03 GMT -5
I would have liked to see him go longer, but it was the right move. Yes, and that is scary, if what is correct (in strategy) is hurting the game (in aggregate). I keep waiting for hitting adjustments to take advantage of the opportunities that present themselves, expecting shift-busting to have proliferated around MLB. Alas, no end in sight. Just read about Lolich pitching three shutouts in the 1968 World Series over an eight-day span. There are probably three pitchers in the entire big leagues who might be allowed to attempt that feat today just in terms of starts, much less complete games. I loved Mickey Lolich. A lefty and also circumferentially challenged. As a 10 year old, I could relate. |
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Post by inger on Oct 30, 2021 13:27:54 GMT -5
Yes, and that is scary, if what is correct (in strategy) is hurting the game (in aggregate). I keep waiting for hitting adjustments to take advantage of the opportunities that present themselves, expecting shift-busting to have proliferated around MLB. Alas, no end in sight. Just read about Lolich pitching three shutouts in the 1968 World Series over an eight-day span. There are probably three pitchers in the entire big leagues who might be allowed to attempt that feat today just in terms of starts, much less complete games. I loved Mickey Lolich. A lefty and also circumferentially challenged. As a 10 year old, I could relate. You were a fat kid? Did the other kids try to make you a catcher? When I managed little league I had two fat kids. One loved to catch and was a natural. The other one was kind of my Johnny Blanchard. He was my BUC and not too bad at that. He also played a bit of first base. Half decent there, but I had a better one. So I put him in RF. When the ball got by him, he laid down, faking injury so someone else would have to retrieve the ball. I was concerned at first but the other kids told that he did it all the time. He was one of my home run hitters though. Funny thing is that he has now friended me on Facebook. He’s only about 2.5 years younger than me. He has a rustic (intentionally), but nice property built over looking a cliff with RR tracks at the bottom, and is an accomplished motor cycle salesman at the local Harley Davidson dealership. I never got to be the “fat guy” until my fifties. At 5’ 11” and 233 many people still thought I weighed about 185 or so. I think it’s my posture. I hide belly pretty well. Only now I do weigh about 180… thank goodness… |
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Post by domeplease on Oct 30, 2021 16:12:11 GMT -5
I am loving this WS--was really impressed by last night's game--a bit of a no-hitter for a while--Steals, Great Pitching, etc.
I watched the entire game & never got bored.
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 30, 2021 17:58:54 GMT -5
I loved Mickey Lolich. A lefty and also circumferentially challenged. As a 10 year old, I could relate. You were a fat kid? Did the other kids try to make you a catcher? When I managed little league I had two fat kids. One loved to catch and was a natural. The other one was kind of my Johnny Blanchard. He was my BUC and not too bad at that. He also played a bit of first base. Half decent there, but I had a better one. So I put him in RF. When the ball got by him, he laid down, faking injury so someone else would have to retrieve the ball. I was concerned at first but the other kids told that he did it all the time. He was one of my home run hitters though. Funny thing is that he has now friended me on Facebook. He’s only about 2.5 years younger than me. He has a rustic (intentionally), but nice property built over looking a cliff with RR tracks at the bottom, and is an accomplished motor cycle salesman at the local Harley Davidson dealership. I never got to be the “fat guy” until my fifties. At 5’ 11” and 233 many people still thought I weighed about 185 or so. I think it’s my posture. I hide belly pretty well. Only now I do weigh about 180… thank goodness…  |
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Post by inger on Oct 30, 2021 18:03:17 GMT -5
You were a fat kid? Did the other kids try to make you a catcher? When I managed little league I had two fat kids. One loved to catch and was a natural. The other one was kind of my Johnny Blanchard. He was my BUC and not too bad at that. He also played a bit of first base. Half decent there, but I had a better one. So I put him in RF. When the ball got by him, he laid down, faking injury so someone else would have to retrieve the ball. I was concerned at first but the other kids told that he did it all the time. He was one of my home run hitters though. Funny thing is that he has now friended me on Facebook. He’s only about 2.5 years younger than me. He has a rustic (intentionally), but nice property built over looking a cliff with RR tracks at the bottom, and is an accomplished motor cycle salesman at the local Harley Davidson dealership. I never got to be the “fat guy” until my fifties. At 5’ 11” and 233 many people still thought I weighed about 185 or so. I think it’s my posture. I hide belly pretty well. Only now I do weigh about 180… thank goodness… I was actually able to “cure him” from this “ailment” with a good talking to and the threat that if he did it again I would never use him in a game again… 😂 |
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Post by kaybli on Oct 30, 2021 22:59:33 GMT -5
Braves win again! One more win from defeating those cheats!
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 31, 2021 10:51:33 GMT -5
Braves win again! One more win from defeating those cheats! The Cheats are struggling to hit when they don't know what's coming. |
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