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Post by rizzuto on Jun 18, 2022 18:17:07 GMT -5
Robbie Ray was just last season - should have known that one. Juan Guzman won the ERA title the year Hentgen won the Cy Young Award in 1996. Never would have thought about Guzman. Forgotten man to me. Aaron Sanchez escapes me, also. Kaseeb, you are too young to remember Dave Stieb, but he was nasty. Killer slider, and he was tough on the Yankees. I'd take him over every pitcher on that list. Dave Stieb was one tough palooka. Seven-time All Star and the second-winningest pitcher in the decade of the 1980s behind Jack Morris. One of the first Blue Jay stars. Dave Stieb was the starting pitcher the Yankees needed in the 1980s. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 18, 2022 18:28:16 GMT -5
Of the four teams who had better records after 65 games than these Yankees, only one--the 1939 Yankees-- went on to win the World Series. However, there are plenty of explanations. The most obvious is the 1902 Pirates. The first World Series didn't come along until the following year.
The 1912 Giants made it to the Series, but lost in seven games to the Red Sox. Despite the record, it wasn't a great team, just a good team for which everything fell into place. None of the position players came close to being HOF worthy. Two of their pitchers, Christy Mathewson and Rube Marquard, made it to Cooperstown. Matty was an all-time great, but Marquard has no more business being there than Jon Lester, Vida Blue or Milt Pappas, all of whom had better careers.
The other was the 2001 Mariners. Chokers who the Yankees put in their place in the post-season.
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Post by kaybli on Jun 18, 2022 18:54:47 GMT -5
Of the four teams who had better records after 65 games than these Yankees, only one--the 1939 Yankees-- went on to win the World Series. However, there are plenty of explanations. The most obvious is the 1902 Pirates. The first World Series didn't come along until the following year. The 1912 Giants made it to the Series, but lost in seven games to the Red Sox. Despite the record, it wasn't a great team, just a good team for which everything fell into place. None of the position players came close to being HOF worthy. Two of their pitchers, Christy Mathewson and Rube Marquard, made it to Cooperstown. Matty was an all-time great, but Marquard has no more business being there than Jon Lester, Vida Blue or Milt Pappas, all of whom had better careers. The other was the 2001 Mariners. Chokers who the Yankees put in their place in the post-season. Crazy there were only four teams that had better records than our current pace. I hope they refuse to stand pat at the trade deadline and upgrade as much as they can because anything can happen in the playoffs. Now would be the time to go for broke to win a championship. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 18, 2022 19:01:04 GMT -5
Yep, to put together a season like this and not close the deal in the World Series would be very hard to take. Get D-Rob now before the July rush and get a reliable OFer at the very least. Any injuries in the next month will determine who the Yankees need to target.
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 18, 2022 19:02:52 GMT -5
Of the four teams who had better records after 65 games than these Yankees, only one--the 1939 Yankees-- went on to win the World Series. However, there are plenty of explanations. The most obvious is the 1902 Pirates. The first World Series didn't come along until the following year. The 1912 Giants made it to the Series, but lost in seven games to the Red Sox. Despite the record, it wasn't a great team, just a good team for which everything fell into place. None of the position players came close to being HOF worthy. Two of their pitchers, Christy Mathewson and Rube Marquard, made it to Cooperstown. Matty was an all-time great, but Marquard has no more business being there than Jon Lester, Vida Blue or Milt Pappas, all of whom had better careers. The other was the 2001 Mariners. Chokers who the Yankees put in their place in the post-season. I just came here to write that only the 1939 Yankees had a better start in franchise history going 50-15 after 65 games. Not as talked about as 1927, 1932, 1961, or 1998, but look at the numbers: OPS C: .915 Bill Dickey 2B: .876 Joe Gordon 3B: .899 Red Rolfe
RF: .947 Charlie Keller
LF: .969 George Selkirk
CF: 1.119 Joe DiMaggio
OF: .800 Tommy Henrich
SS: .647 Frank Crosetti (153 hits in 152 games played)
1B: .689 Babe Dalgren (Had to be tough taking over for Lou Gehrig, whom no one could replace. Still, he drove in 89 runs and had 39 extra base hits)
Led by starters Red Ruffing, Bump Hadley, Atley Donald, and Lefty Gomez, the 1939 team had seven pitchers with an ERA+ between 117 and 181 (the latter by Marius Russo who pitched 116 innings of relief).
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Post by kaybli on Jun 18, 2022 19:09:10 GMT -5
Of the four teams who had better records after 65 games than these Yankees, only one--the 1939 Yankees-- went on to win the World Series. However, there are plenty of explanations. The most obvious is the 1902 Pirates. The first World Series didn't come along until the following year. The 1912 Giants made it to the Series, but lost in seven games to the Red Sox. Despite the record, it wasn't a great team, just a good team for which everything fell into place. None of the position players came close to being HOF worthy. Two of their pitchers, Christy Mathewson and Rube Marquard, made it to Cooperstown. Matty was an all-time great, but Marquard has no more business being there than Jon Lester, Vida Blue or Milt Pappas, all of whom had better careers. The other was the 2001 Mariners. Chokers who the Yankees put in their place in the post-season. I just came here to write that only the 1939 Yankees had a better start in franchise history going 50-15 after 65 games. Not as talked about as 1927, 1932, 1961, or 1998, but look at the numbers: OPS C: .915 Bill Dickey 2B: .876 Joe Gordon 3B: .899 Red Rolfe
RF: .947 Charlie Keller
LF: .969 George Selkirk
CF: 1.119 Joe DiMaggio
OF: .800 Tommy Henrich
SS: .647 Frank Crosetti (153 hits in 152 games played)
1B: .689 Babe Dalgren (Had to be tough taking over for Lou Gehrig, whom no one could replace. Still, he drove in 89 runs and had 39 extra base hits)
Led by starters Red Ruffing, Bump Hadley, Atley Donald, and Lefty Gomez, the 1939 team had seven pitchers with an ERA+ between 117 and 181 (the latter by Marius Russo who pitched 116 innings of relief).
Great history lessons guys!
DiMaggio was something else. And he had to deal with those ridiculous cavernous dimensions at Yankee Stadium.
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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 18, 2022 19:25:15 GMT -5
Of the four teams who had better records after 65 games than these Yankees, only one--the 1939 Yankees-- went on to win the World Series. However, there are plenty of explanations. The most obvious is the 1902 Pirates. The first World Series didn't come along until the following year. The 1912 Giants made it to the Series, but lost in seven games to the Red Sox. Despite the record, it wasn't a great team, just a good team for which everything fell into place. None of the position players came close to being HOF worthy. Two of their pitchers, Christy Mathewson and Rube Marquard, made it to Cooperstown. Matty was an all-time great, but Marquard has no more business being there than Jon Lester, Vida Blue or Milt Pappas, all of whom had better careers. The other was the 2001 Mariners. Chokers who the Yankees put in their place in the post-season. I just came here to write that only the 1939 Yankees had a better start in franchise history going 50-15 after 65 games. Not as talked about as 1927, 1932, 1961, or 1998, but look at the numbers: OPS C: .915 Bill Dickey 2B: .876 Joe Gordon 3B: .899 Red Rolfe
RF: .947 Charlie Keller
LF: .969 George Selkirk
CF: 1.119 Joe DiMaggio
OF: .800 Tommy Henrich
SS: .647 Frank Crosetti (153 hits in 152 games played)
1B: .689 Babe Dalgren (Had to be tough taking over for Lou Gehrig, whom no one could replace. Still, he drove in 89 runs and had 39 extra base hits)
Led by starters Red Ruffing, Bump Hadley, Atley Donald, and Lefty Gomez, the 1939 team had seven pitchers with an ERA+ between 117 and 181 (the latter by Marius Russo who pitched 116 innings of relief).
Those 1939 Yankees rank among the top five Yankee teams ever, and there are those who rank it at the top. They topped it off by winning their fourth consecutive championship. Joe D., Gordon, Dickey, Ruffing and Gomez are all in the HOF. Charlie Keller is one of the greatest Yankee hitters ever even though his last year as a regular was his age 29 season because of injuries. He had a career OBP of .410 and an OPS+ of 152. Those are Cooperstown numbers. Tommy Henrich was another great player who was the heart of many great Yankee teams. OBP of .382 and OPS+ of 132. Even though he had only seven years in which he played at least 100 games and missed three prime years to WWII, he was a five-time All Star. All the players you named were very solid pros. That team was loaded. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 18, 2022 19:59:01 GMT -5
I just came here to write that only the 1939 Yankees had a better start in franchise history going 50-15 after 65 games. Not as talked about as 1927, 1932, 1961, or 1998, but look at the numbers: OPS C: .915 Bill Dickey 2B: .876 Joe Gordon 3B: .899 Red Rolfe
RF: .947 Charlie Keller
LF: .969 George Selkirk
CF: 1.119 Joe DiMaggio
OF: .800 Tommy Henrich
SS: .647 Frank Crosetti (153 hits in 152 games played)
1B: .689 Babe Dalgren (Had to be tough taking over for Lou Gehrig, whom no one could replace. Still, he drove in 89 runs and had 39 extra base hits)
Led by starters Red Ruffing, Bump Hadley, Atley Donald, and Lefty Gomez, the 1939 team had seven pitchers with an ERA+ between 117 and 181 (the latter by Marius Russo who pitched 116 innings of relief).
Those 1939 Yankees rank among the top five Yankee teams ever, and there are those who rank it at the top. They topped it off by winning their fourth consecutive championship. Joe D., Gordon, Dickey, Ruffing and Gomez are all in the HOF. Charlie Keller is one of the greatest Yankee hitters ever even though his last year as a regular was his age 29 season because of injuries. He had a career OBP of .410 and an OPS+ of 152. Those are Cooperstown numbers. Tommy Henrich was another great player who was the heart of many great Yankee teams. OBP of .382 and OPS+ of 132. Even though he had only seven years in which he played at least 100 games and missed three prime years to WWII, he was a five-time All Star. All the players you named were very solid pros. That team was loaded. Charlie Keller was in the Merchant Marines and missed 264 games due to WWII in his prime at age 27 and 28. Prior to WWII, Keller had over 100 walks four straight seasons and a fifth in his first full season after returning from the war. That tells me that pitchers were very careful with him or he had excellent strike zone awareness. I can only believe he is not in the Hall of Fame because he was on extraordinary Yankee teams, did not play long enough, or more likely was remembered for his last six injury riddled seasons by the pundits. |
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Post by noetsi on Jun 18, 2022 20:20:38 GMT -5
It is a different type of team than those old elite teams but then baseball was different.
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Post by chiyankee on Jun 18, 2022 21:46:35 GMT -5
Never thought about this.
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Post by kaybli on Jun 18, 2022 22:50:56 GMT -5
Never thought about this.  |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 19, 2022 3:06:51 GMT -5
Never thought about this. Jeter still doing the little things to help the team win. |
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Post by inger on Jun 19, 2022 8:15:48 GMT -5
Never thought about this. Jeter still doing the little things to help the team win. Probably just the first of many things that will lead to his eventual return to the organization…JEETS is coming home one day.., |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Jun 26, 2022 18:39:13 GMT -5
Jeter still doing the little things to help the team win. Probably just the first of many things that will lead to his eventual return to the organization…JEETS is coming home one day.., Hopefully he's on the keep Aaron judge recruitment team. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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