|
Post by inger on Mar 13, 2024 18:28:23 GMT -5
Forget Cease, he's heading to San Diego. Cease discussing cease as he ceases to be avaIlable …
|
|
|
Post by chiyankee on Mar 13, 2024 19:07:11 GMT -5
Thorpe's path to the big leagues just got easier.
|
|
|
Post by rizzuto on Mar 13, 2024 19:24:35 GMT -5
Forget Cease, he's heading to San Diego. Good, we can cease this speculation.
|
|
|
Post by inger on Mar 13, 2024 19:27:16 GMT -5
Forget Cease, he's heading to San Diego. Good, we can cease this speculation. Cease the moment! …
|
|
|
Post by inger on Mar 13, 2024 19:29:01 GMT -5
Thorpe's path to the big leagues just got easier. More than likely Warren’s path. Gil will need to build up innings or he might have the inside track with that nasty triple digit juice he’s got. Sometimes blessings are disguised 🥸…
|
|
|
Post by chiyankee on Mar 13, 2024 19:31:34 GMT -5
Updated, the White Sox made out pretty well.
|
|
|
Post by bigjeep on Mar 13, 2024 19:44:53 GMT -5
Forget Cease, he's heading to San Diego. Cease discussing cease as he ceases to be avaIlable …
|
|
|
Post by Rockaway Park on Mar 13, 2024 20:29:42 GMT -5
Dead last in the East.
|
|
|
Post by posadafan24 on Mar 13, 2024 20:43:05 GMT -5
Thorpe's path to the big leagues just got easier. The fact that thorpe got traded twice in 4 months should tell you that not to put so much stock into any hype that a prospect gets . I mean even the padres were willing to move him for cease
|
|
|
Post by 1955nyyfan on Mar 13, 2024 20:49:57 GMT -5
Thorpe's path to the big leagues just got easier. The fact that thorpe got traded twice in 4 months should tell you that not to put so much stock into any hype that a prospect gets Yep, the kid is in demand, been involved in trades for some pretty good MLB players. Must be highly thought of.
|
|
|
Post by posadafan24 on Mar 13, 2024 20:52:57 GMT -5
The fact that thorpe got traded twice in 4 months should tell you that not to put so much stock into any hype that a prospect gets Yep, the kid is in demand, been involved in trades for some pretty good MLB players. Must be highly thought of. or maybe not even the padres cared much about the hype he got from the yankees . I mean I still dont see the hype in cease but whatever .
|
|
|
Post by qwik3457bb on Mar 13, 2024 21:07:34 GMT -5
The fact that thorpe got traded twice in 4 months should tell you that not to put so much stock into any hype that a prospect gets Yep, the kid is in demand, been involved in trades for some pretty good MLB players. Must be highly thought of. For what it's worth, Nick Pollack at Pitcher List just wrote up Thorpe's most recent spring training start:
Drew Thorpe (SDP) – 4.0 IP, 0 ER, 1 Hits, 2 BBs, 1 Ks. He sat 88/89 mph on his heater. Wait, what? Yeah. It’s a legit changeup, don’t get me wrong, and he has a cutter he targets inside to LHB with a sweeper to RHB, but hot dang, I can’t buy into a prospect arm who sits sub 90 mph, even if that changeup is Wacha/Estrada-esque.
Now, Pollack is speaking as someone who analyzes starting pitching from the perspective of fantasy league players who play in 12- and 15-team mixed leagues, so the value of a major league quality #4 or #5 starter means far less to him, but it does indicate he doesn't think Thorpe's ceiling is very high.
|
|
|
Post by posadafan24 on Mar 13, 2024 21:13:10 GMT -5
Yep, the kid is in demand, been involved in trades for some pretty good MLB players. Must be highly thought of. For what it's worth, Nick Pollack at Pitcher List just wrote up Thorpe's most recent spring training start:
Drew Thorpe (SDP) – 4.0 IP, 0 ER, 1 Hits, 2 BBs, 1 Ks. He sat 88/89 mph on his heater. Wait, what? Yeah. It’s a legit changeup, don’t get me wrong, and he has a cutter he targets inside to LHB with a sweeper to RHB, but hot dang, I can’t buy into a prospect arm who sits sub 90 mph, even if that changeup is Wacha/Estrada-esque.
Now, Pollack is speaking from the perspective of someone who analyzes starting pitching from the perspective of fantasy league players who play in 12- and 15-team mixed leagues, so the value of a major league quality #4 or #5 starter means far less to him, but it does indicate he doesn't think Thorpe's ceiling is very high.That was my point earlier . People in this board were all upset about thorpe being included in the soto deal .
|
|
|
Post by posadafan24 on Mar 13, 2024 21:14:39 GMT -5
Yankees look really stupid for refusing to trade for burnes now .
|
|
|
Post by qwik3457bb on Mar 13, 2024 21:35:27 GMT -5
Updated, the White Sox made out pretty well. Fangraphs' prospect list equivalent of that package for the Yankees would have been Warren, Hampton (Two 50 grade starting pitchers in the top 100, like Thorpe and Iriarte), and one of their right handed middle relievers, a cheap one, like Ian Hamilton. There isn't really an equivalent for Zavala, who had a poor year last year and his prospect stock has dropped some, but he's quite young and is considered to have a high ceiling if he can reach it (though the odds seem lower than last year). Looking at the Yankees list of prospects, a player who is halfway between George Lombard (#7 at grade 45, and Jared Serna (#13 at grade 40+).
So, the Yanks could've traded for Cease, if they were willing to strip most of there remaining farm system pitching depth...or surrender Spencer Jones.
All that for a starting pitching who has brilliant stuff, but who has had exactly one elite season in essentially four major league seasons, but one who's been worth about 4 fWAR but 1.6, 2.8 and 0.6 bWAR over the last three seasons. His postseason record is comprised of one good relief appearance and one bad start.
Whether or not you think the Yanks should've made the trade depends on whether you think Cole will be back by June, how strong you think the rest of the team is, and how likely you think it is in consideration of those two evaluations that they're going to make the postseason. Me? I'm not so sure they're making the postseason, so from the Yankees point of view, I wouldn't have made such a trade. For the Padres it makes more sense, because, partly due to the Soto trade, they have far more pitching depth in the majors and minors than the Yankees do right now. Aside from Brito and Vasquez from the Soto trade, they still have Dylan Lesko and Robbie Snelling, two highly regarded pitching prospects.
|
|